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1. 04:20 AM - Wooden gear legs (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 04:23 AM - Dan's axle bending question (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 04:29 AM - dimple tape and Ace... (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 04:32 AM - Re: Emailing: piet fittings (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 05:14 AM - Re: Update from: Corky's Rib Building (nightmare)
6. 06:40 AM - Re: axle bending (CraigAho)
7. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: axle bending (Gary Boothe)
8. 08:45 AM - central Iowa Piets? (rorichts)
9. 09:09 AM - central Iowa Piets? (rorichts)
10. 09:23 AM - Re: central Iowa Piets? (Perry Rhoads)
11. 10:16 AM - Re: central Iowa Piets? (ldmill)
12. 10:28 AM - Re: central Iowa Piets? (Dennis Vetter)
13. 10:34 AM - Re: axle bending (Don Emch)
14. 10:54 AM - Re: axle bending (tools)
15. 11:18 AM - Re: central Iowa Piets? (Jerry Grogan)
16. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: axle bending (Craig Aho)
17. 12:03 PM - Re: dimple tape and Ace... (shad bell)
18. 12:39 PM - Re: axle bending (tools)
19. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: Wooden strut metal fittings - help (Jim Boyer)
20. 12:46 PM - nice looking Scout on Barnstormers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
21. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: Update from: Corky's Rib Building (Isablcorky@aol.com)
22. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: axle bending (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
23. 01:53 PM - Re: Update from: Corky's Rib Building (nightmare)
24. 02:10 PM - Re: central Iowa Piets? (Jack)
25. 03:28 PM - Douwe's email address (John Greenlee)
26. 06:46 PM - Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? (jarheadpilot82)
27. 06:50 PM - Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? (John Francis)
28. 07:05 PM - Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? (jarheadpilot82)
29. 07:15 PM - Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? (John Francis)
30. 08:05 PM - Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? (dgaldrich)
31. 08:10 PM - Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? (tools)
32. 08:17 PM - Re: Update from: Corky's Rib Building (dgaldrich)
33. 08:49 PM - Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? (biplan53)
34. 10:29 PM - Re: nice looking Scout on Barnstormers (Clif Dawson)
35. 10:37 PM - Re: Wooden gear legs (Clif Dawson)
36. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
37. 11:07 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Wooden gear legs |
Great help guys re the wooden gear fittings!
After reading that post a couple weeks ago about the broken gear leg, it
seems a good thing to make it a priority that the gear legs actually touch
both the fuselage longerons and eachother at the bottom, so shock isn't all
taken up by the bolts.
$.02
Douwe
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| Subject: | Dan's axle bending question |
Hey Dan,
I've been wondering about the same thing. Like yours, my wheels "bow" in a
touch (easier to see on large wheels). My bird is heavier than yours so I'm
sure it is worse on mine.
I honestly don't know the answer, but it SEEMS to me that if that axle is
overstressed, the bowing would increase which would be a sign to take
action. I could easily be wrong, but without a major "slam landing" I don't
see the axle just giving way. So seems like we'd have warning, we just need
to keep tabs on it??
That being said, I think I'm going to modify my axle this winter with
internal diagonal bracing per my last post.
Douwe
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| Subject: | dimple tape and Ace... |
Wow, must have been totally out of it when I wrote that post yesterday. I
am not getting more "simple tape" from "Ace". I'm ordering more "dimple tape
from ACS" (aircraft spruce).
And, even that is wrong. "dimple tape" is not longer available (unless from
sign printers, I hear but have not researched it). One can buy "vortilator
tape) from a number of sailplane suppliers and from Aircraft Spruce. They
sell enough to do a prop for $39. It looks like "zig zag" tape and works
the same as dimple tape.
I hear it works, but the jury is still out until I try it. With a C-90 up
front, anything I can do to save a little fuel is a good thing. I find I
can still climb (one person) at 2,000 rpm and I've really been enjoying
chugging around the countryside at 60kts. It's super quiet and is getting
me ready to fly formation with those Fords this July!!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: piet fittings |
Jim,
If you are very lucky, you won't have to remake these fittings three times
like I did. There are many subtleties with the Jenny gear wood struts. Prob
ably no two ever come out the same. My suggestion would be to go through th
e process of cutting/fitting the wood struts first, then make your fittings
to fit what you have. The process outlined by Chris Tracy westcoastpiet.co
m is the way to go. I made mine and struggled mightily, before his informat
ion was available.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Jim Quinn <quinnj@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:11 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Emailing: piet fittings
Hi Bill,
Here's a pic. Cut pieces on the bottom, inside and outside fittings for the
wooden landing gear. My foil cut-outs are on top.
I'm using plans purchased from the Pietenpol family, a one page supplement.
Thanks,
Jim
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piet fittings
ing or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail secu
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| Subject: | Re: Update from: Corky's Rib Building |
Corky: I've got doug fir ribs, and was wondering if someone in the past has engineered
or tested the 3/8 width doug fir and found that they are just as strong
as the 1/2 spruce? Maybe I'll break out the palm sander and save some weight.
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Paul Donahue
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| Subject: | Re: axle bending |
I'm just a simple woodworker so I probably shouldn't be trying to engineer anything
but just another thought. What if You were to take a piece of white oak,
ash or doug fir say rectangular and with a snug fit set it into the tube verticle
to help the tube resist bending, since the axels are just over time bending
or saging in the middle would that not help reinforce it.?
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| Subject: | Re: axle bending |
Craig,
My axle is 1 1/2" with just enough inside clearance to receive a solid 1" axle.
Wheel bearings have been changed to fit the axle. The solid axle inserts are
18" long, each. Heavy, Yes, but they will never bend, as attested to in numerous
attempts!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
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but just another thought. What if You were to take a piece of white oak,
ash or doug fir say rectangular and with a snug fit set it into the tube verticle
to help the tube resist bending, since the axels are just over time bending
or saging in the middle would that not help reinforce it.?
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| Subject: | central Iowa Piets? |
Looking to build, any complete or projects in central Iowa?
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| Subject: | central Iowa Piets? |
Any central iowa piets I could connect with
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: central Iowa Piets? |
Not central Iowa, but central Illinois. N12939 is at Litchfield,IL. (3LF).
200 statute from Blakesburg,IA. You're welcome any time.
Perry Rhoads
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From: "rorichts" <stolflite@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: central Iowa Piets?
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| Subject: | Re: central Iowa Piets? |
Yup! I actually live in Colo - right between Ames and Marshalltown. Have a GN-1
hangered in Marshalltown. Give me a yell:
Lorin Miller
Cell - 641-485-0840
email: lorin.miller@emerson.com
GN-1 N30PP, Cont A-75
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: central Iowa Piets? |
I'm 20 miles WNW of Fort Dodge,IA. N6636B 65 hp Cont, Piet. Where are you located?
Dennis Vetter, minimax103@hotmail.com :D
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| Subject: | Re: axle bending |
Craig,
I think that was fairly common back in the day on straight axle ships... to pound
a piece of oak or ask into the axle tube.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: axle bending |
Something to consider is that it would trap moisture in there (as nearly all wood
has some moisture content) promoting corrosion. When I disassembled the gear
on the J1 Standard, there was wood inside of the anti rotation mechanism to
stiffen it up, and it was pretty corroded. My guess is that the anti rotation
mechanism was added in the mid '70's.
The axle isn't very open to allow circulation, and it gets doused in water regularly
(even dew on the grass in the evening).
When I took all the gear fittings (fuse and down by the axle) off of 2RN, there
was evidence of corrosion and it's a pretty new plane, ALWAYS hangared.
Even though it might take so long to cause strength problems in the metal, it probably
wouldn't take long to compromise the wood itself to where it really isn't
useful. Now, if it were replaced at every annual or two...
If you were to to it, white oak is probably the best to use considering its strength
and rot resistance.
Just food for thought.
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| Subject: | central Iowa Piets? |
I know there are a couple of planes being built in central IA. I have one
but have not worked on it for a few years. Prairie City. There are others
but they man not want to be named.
Jerry Grogan
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rorichts
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: central Iowa Piets?
Any central iowa piets I could connect with Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: axle bending |
It is nice to know that the idea has some merrit and was used back in the
day so I dont have to feel embaresed. I handn't thought about the moisture
aspect=2C How about Teak:). I like to use wood whenever possible being a wo
odworker and my other aircraft project is an Emeraude which is another very
nice wood aircraft.
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: axle bending
> From: n0kkj@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed=2C 1 May 2013 10:54:34 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Something to consider is that it would trap moisture in there (as nearly
all wood has some moisture content) promoting corrosion. When I disassembl
ed the gear on the J1 Standard=2C there was wood inside of the anti rotatio
n mechanism to stiffen it up=2C and it was pretty corroded. My guess is th
at the anti rotation mechanism was added in the mid '70's.
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ter regularly (even dew on the grass in the evening).
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=2C there was evidence of corrosion and it's a pretty new plane=2C ALWAYS h
angared.
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=2C it probably wouldn't take long to compromise the wood itself to where i
t really isn't useful. Now=2C if it were replaced at every annual or two..
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its strength and rot resistance.
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| Subject: | Re: dimple tape and Ace... |
Douwe, I have a bunch of polyurethane erosion tape (used on leading eges of
jet aircraft=C2-antenas etc)=C2-I got from work that was expired shelf
life, and would probably work just as well as the $40 ACS stuff.=C2- Let
me know and I could Mail you some or better yet meet you halfway some Satu
rday for breakfast and give it to you.=C2- You could simply cut the zig z
ag with pinking shears.=C2- Might need to use a little super glue to keep
it tight.
=C2-
Let me Know,
Shad
--- On Wed, 5/1/13, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: dimple tape and Ace...
Wow, must have been totally out of it when I wrote that post yesterday.=C2
- I am not getting more =9Csimple tape=9D from =9CAce
=9D I=99m ordering more =9Cdimple tape from ACS
=9D (aircraft spruce).
=C2-
And, even that is wrong.=C2- =9Cdimple tape=9D is not longer
available (unless from sign printers, I hear but have not researched it).
=C2- One can buy =9Cvortilator tape) from a number of sailplane sup
pliers and from Aircraft Spruce.=C2- They sell enough to do a prop for $3
9.=C2- It looks like =9Czig zag=9D tape and works the same as
dimple tape.
=C2-
I hear it works, but the jury is still out until I try it.=C2- With a C-9
0 up front, anything I can do to save a little fuel is a good thing.=C2-
I find I can still climb (one person) at 2,000 rpm and I=99ve really
been enjoying chugging around the countryside at 60kts.=C2- It=99s
super quiet and is getting me ready to fly formation with those Fords this
July!!!
=C2-
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: axle bending |
Oh ya, I think it's got great merit. I, too, started down this path as I was a
woodworker. The airplane I first started researching was a GP-4, another all
wood aircraft, but then found the Piet and decided that was a better first project.
Teak would work as well, but white oak is nearly as rot resistant and WAAAY cheaper
(as I'm sure you know). I just think it would be a good idea to put that
sort of thing on a regular inspection cycle.
After seeing the corrosion under the other metal fittings, I'm about to the point
I think airplanes should be uncovered and redone every 10 to 15 yrs anyway.
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden strut metal fittings - help |
HI Bill,
I realized that after seeing Jim Quinn's message. Unusual that two Jim's ha
d questions that sounded like the same problem; almost!
=C2-
Thanks for your drawing though. I went out and measured the angle I was use
ing and it was more like 45 than 40; redid my drawing at 40 and the fitting
s work right (except for the miter at top is wrong, but it is so close that
it will only take a minute with my grinder to fix them).
Got all the plywood pieces cut that go under all the wing root and lift str
ut fittings so tomorrow will get them glued.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | nice looking Scout on Barnstormers |
And a few other items of possible interest.
And all this talk about axels.....just build one with a thick wall and be d
one with it. You'll be fine. Mine has 15 years, 450 hours
and lots of firm arrivals and it hasn't bent. Talk about making more work
out of work.
Again, my axel is 1.5" OD and 0.188 wall thickness of 4130 and it works jus
t fine.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Update from: Corky's Rib Building |
In a message dated 5/1/2013 2:36:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com writes:
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Corky: I've got doug fir ribs, and was wondering if someone in the past
has engineered or tested the 3/8 width doug fir and found that they are just
as strong as the 1/2 spruce? Maybe I'll break out the palm sander and save
some weight.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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I've tried to test them, both spruce and this fine select DF. I prefer the
3/8 fir. I'm an eyeball engineer at the most. Nothing theoretical. All I
can say is I flew the plane.
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| Subject: | Re: axle bending |
UNCLASSIFIED
Old Buddy Master mechanic with a lot of time working on "old Planes" has often
commented that the "New fabrics" are lifetime covers and that shortcircuits the
old process of getting to inspect the airframe every 10 or so years when the
dope and linnen got too loose.
Zippers and inspections holes help. but there is nothing like having her naked.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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a woodworker. The airplane I first started researching was a GP-4, another all
wood aircraft, but then found the Piet and decided that was a better first project.
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> Teak would work as well, but white oak is nearly as rot resistant and WAAAY cheaper
(as I'm sure you know). I just think it would be a good idea to put that
sort of thing on a regular inspection cycle.
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I think airplanes should be uncovered and redone every 10 to 15 yrs anyway.
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| Subject: | Re: Update from: Corky's Rib Building |
Thanks Corky
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: central Iowa Piets? |
Robert I'm in DSM, www.textors.com
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Douwe's email address |
Douwe, I want to send you email. Can you link up with me at
jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net?
Thanks!
JMG
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| Subject: | Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? |
of course, they are "Ribs are Done!" :D
Just finished my last wing rib today. Well, not quite done. I have to-
1. Trim the nose of the ribs for the leading edge piece, as yet to be built.
2. Rout the gussets where they are "proud". (always loved that word when talking
about building)
3. Trim the tail of the ribs to prep them for the trailing edge piece, as yet to
be created.
But I am at least finished with the jig. Progress!
But I have one question-
Tony Bingelis suggests NOT putting the ribs together on a set of short faux spars
to sand them. He says it is better to trammel the wings and then sand two or
three of them at a time with a long sanding board. To the builders who have
completed your wings, does it really matter, as Tony suggests? Your thoughts are
appreciated.
P. S. On to the tail feathers!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? |
Terry, Congrats on the ribs! What is it that you are sanding on the ribs? Are
you talking about your gussets? If so a router table does a sweet job on trimming
these.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? |
John,
I should have made it more clear. I am talking about after routing the gussets,
then sanding the capstrips to even up any minor differences between the individual
ribs, and in order to ensure their uniformity.
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Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? |
I didn't sand mine at that point. When they came out of the jig they were all
VERY much the same. Had I mounted them together and tried to sand them to a even
a tighter tolerance, I probably would of made them worse. I did sand the
sharp edges round so they would not cut the fabric when it is applied.
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| Subject: | Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? |
Hi Terry
Think about this. The ONLY place the wing will have the profile of the jig is
directly on top of the rib. The rest of the span between the ribs, the airfoil
will be some slightly warped version of the airfoil since the fabric isn't rigid
and will always have some degree of sag. This means that somewhere between
90 and 95% of the wing will have some curve similar to but not exactly like
the jig. If you were covering them in plywood a la Wittman Tailwind/Bellanca
Viking, it might be worth the effort to make them exact, but for fabric, I suggest
that the way they came out of the jig is close enough. Trim them up, make
sure there's no sharp edges to irritate the fabric and go forth.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? |
Jarhead!!!
1. Congrats!
2. Sanding. Don't matter. Built HUNDREDS of model airplane wings with tons of
ribs doing every method on the books to ensure uniformity (straight wings, tapered
wings, eliptical wings, gang sanded, two to three ribs at a time, the whole
wing at a time... ). It just doesn't matter. It'll be fine.
Knocking the edges off IS important. It's VERY tedious, but will help the fabric
immeasurably. 80 to 100 grit sandpaper on a wood block will do the job well
for doug fir, cedar, poplar or spruce. Go for a just noticeable round over.
3. C'mon... you know I know better than that, ribs are done in GA whatev... Normal
"pros" might think Kansas City, Memphis. We both know the saying is best
reserved for Dinosaur's, in upper New York. Just sayin'.
4. Congrats again!
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| Subject: | Re: Update from: Corky's Rib Building |
For What It's Worth department...
Aeronca Chiefs use 1/4 x 1/4 sitka for their ribs. I would think 3/8 doug fir
would be up to the job in the Piet. The 1/4 x 1/2 per plans is probably a LOT
of overkill, sort of like the aft end of the fuselage.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Your Favorite Words to Hear in a Georgia Restaurant? |
Way to go!!! Sounds like your on a roll. Don't slack up. Mike
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| Subject: | Re: nice looking Scout on Barnstormers |
Right! The axle, though a round tube, is a beam, just
like the spars are. Look at the one inch routed spar.
The outer "edges" are the full one inch width but the
center area is only 1/2" thick. The question then is
"How does this work?".The answer is that in a beam
the bending strength is mostly in that very small area
at the edges. The center's main function, and in many
cases only function, is to hold those two outer bits
in place, simply a seperator. It's a little more complicated
in a true space frame application of joined triangles,
and somewhat stronger. This is what Douwe will be
attempting.
In the drawing below I have illustrated three types of beam.The two
outer ones show tension/compression
caps clearly. Because of the uniform circular
homogenious cross section of the tube the "cap" /
web concept is not so evident.But it's there.
Unfortunately, with a tube, increasing the "cap"
crossection automaticaly comes with the penalty
of doing the same with the webs.
What all this means is that by stuffing a chunk of
wood down there is really adding more web without
much benefit of cap.
Another thingis that just because one wood is harder
and heavier than another does not translate into strength. The
compression strength of Spruce is 4780 lb/inch=B2 but
the much heavier Oak is 4760 lb/inch=B2.
Clif The Monkey Wrench. :-)
I prefer drawing to talking. Drawing is faster and
leaves less room for lies. LeCorbusier
And all this talk about axels...just build one with a thick wall and
be done with it. You'll be fine. Mine has 15 years, 450 hours
and lots of firm arrivals and it hasn't bent. Talk about making more
work out of work.
Again, my axel is 1.5" OD and 0.188 wall thickness of 4130 and it
works just fine.
Mike C.
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Absolutely!! The more touching the better. :-)
Clif
After reading that post a couple weeks ago about the broken gear leg,
it seems a good thing to make it a priority that the gear legs actually
touch both the fuselage longerons and eachother at the bottom, so shock
isn't all taken up by the bolts.
$.02
Douwe
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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