---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/03/13: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:44 AM - Re: Plans inconsistency (Isablcorky@aol.com) 2. 05:58 AM - Re: Plans inconsistency (C N Campbell) 3. 07:28 AM - Wicks 4130 Dillsburg (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 4. 07:51 AM - Re: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg (Jack) 5. 07:58 AM - Re: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg (Dick N) 6. 10:50 AM - Re: I Forgot to Add Proof (aerocarjake) 7. 12:37 PM - Re: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg (DandD Boyd) 8. 12:47 PM - Re: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg (shad bell) 9. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 10. 05:13 PM - Logbook (airlion2@gmail.com) 11. 05:25 PM - Re: Logbook (Jack) 12. 05:37 PM - Re: Logbook (Gary Boothe) 13. 06:04 PM - Re: Logbook (tools) 14. 06:23 PM - Re: Logbook (Jack Phillips) 15. 10:41 PM - Re: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:41 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans inconsistency In a message dated 5/2/2013 6:26:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cncampbell@windstream.net writes: My full-size rib plan measures 27-11/16 spar to spar. That's the reason that full-size rib plan should not be used to build your rib jig with. Paper shrinks or expands with the changes in temperature and humidity. On the main wing plan, there is a drawing at the top of the page giving the dimensions on how to lay out the wing rib. Suggest you use that wing rib plan to decorate your shop wall and lay out the rib on the piece of whatever you are going to use for the jig, using the diminsions from the main drawing. Then, come in 6-3/4 inches from the front of the rib to the front of the spar (if you plan to use a 1-inch thick spar) use 7 inches from the front of the rib if you're using a 3/4 inch thick spar (which is what I did). Then use the wing rib plan to establish the verticals and diagonal pieces. KEEP THE 27-3/4 DIMENSION FROM THE REAR OF THE FRONT SPAR TO THE FRONT OF THE REAR SPAR. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: _Isablcorky@aol.com_ (mailto:Isablcorky@aol.com) Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans inconsistency Pieters, Had this problem 13 years ago and have forgotten how it was solved. Spar distances. The fullsize layout indicates 27 3/4 in distance between spars inside measurements. If you measure the layout you will find a distance of 28 1/4. Who should I believe. Need your comments before I cut wood. Corky href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Starting over today on the rib jig. Thanks Corky ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:02 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans inconsistency Anything else you need advice about don't lhesitate to yell! The guys on this list are more than happy to expound on their vast store of knowledge :>) Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:44 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans inconsistency In a message dated 5/2/2013 6:26:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cncampbell@windstream.net writes: My full-size rib plan measures 27-11/16 spar to spar. That's the reason that full-size rib plan should not be used to build your rib jig with. Paper shrinks or expands with the changes in temperature and humidity. On the main wing plan, there is a drawing at the top of the page giving the dimensions on how to lay out the wing rib. Suggest you use that wing rib plan to decorate your shop wall and lay out the rib on the piece of whatever you are going to use for the jig, using the diminsions from the main drawing. Then, come in 6-3/4 inches from the front of the rib to the front of the spar (if you plan to use a 1-inch thick spar) use 7 inches from the front of the rib if you're using a 3/4 inch thick spar (which is what I did). Then use the wing rib plan to establish the verticals and diagonal pieces. KEEP THE 27-3/4 DIMENSION FROM THE REAR OF THE FRONT SPAR TO THE FRONT OF THE REAR SPAR. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans inconsistency Pieters, Had this problem 13 years ago and have forgotten how it was solved. Spar distances. The fullsize layout indicates 27 3/4 in distance between spars inside measurements. If you measure the layout you will find a distance of 28 1/4. Who should I believe. Need your comments before I cut wood. Corky href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution Starting over today on the rib jig. Thanks Corky ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:36 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg http://www.wicksaircraft.com/index.html Of possible interest. I know Wicks probably isn't the most popular airc raft supply house anymore but to me they were the best when building my Piet. ASSCO (Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co.) was, by comparison, in my years of building much less-aircraft knowledgeable, messed up more orders and had more back- ordered items than Wicks ever had. I don't know if that is true today but I was much happier with my dealings with Wicks ov er Aircraft Spruce in every way. MikeC. From: Wicks Aircraft Supply [mailto:wicksaircraft@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: 4130 Dillsburg [http://img.constantcontact.com/letters/images/1101093164665/news-black-acc ent-hdr.png] [http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs093/1105202523133/img/1.jpg] Visit our website!! With the recent news that Dillsburg Aeroplane Works is going out of busi ness, Wicks is happy to annnounce that we are stocked full of 4130 tubing. We have in recent months stocked up on bulk inventory to keep our prices lo w. We offer discounts on multiple lengths. And can ship most orders same da y. Also, all of our tubing is stored inside in a climate controlled warehou se. [http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs123/1105202523133/img/59.jpg] Click to order [http://img.constantcontact.com/letters/images/1101093164665/news-black-acc ent.png] [http://img.constantcontact.com/letters/images/1101116784221/yvanle_TR6_Out erShadowBLV2.png] [http://img.constantcontact.com/letters/images/1101116784221/yvanle_TR6_Out erShadowBRV2.png] Forward this email [http://img.constantcontact.com/letters/images/SafeUnsubscribe_Footer_Logo_ New.png] [http://img.constantcontact.com/letters/images/CC_Footer_Logo_New.png] This email was sent to michael.d.cuy@grc.nasa.gov by wicksaircraft@gmail.com | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe (tm) | Privacy Policy. Wicks Aircraft Supply | 410 Pine Street | Highland | IL | 62249 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg From: Jack I've been very happy with Wicks... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On May 3, 2013, at 9:28 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LL C]" wrote: > http://www.wicksaircraft.com/index.html > > Of possible interest. I know Wicks probably isn=99t the most pop ular aircraft supply house anymore but to me they > were the best when building my Piet. ASSCO (Aircraft Spruce & Specialt y Co.) was, by comparison, in my years of building > much less-aircraft knowledgeable, messed up more orders and had more back -ordered items than Wicks ever had. I don=99t know > if that is true today but I was much happier with my dealings with Wicks o ver Aircraft Spruce in every way. > > MikeC. > > > > From: Wicks Aircraft Supply [mailto:wicksaircraft@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:25 AM > To: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] > Subject: 4130 Dillsburg > > > > > > > Visit our website!! > > With the recent news that Dillsburg Aeroplane Works is going out of bus iness, Wicks is happy to annnounce that we are stocked full of 4130 tubing. W e have in recent months stocked up on bulk inventory to keep our prices low. We offer discounts on multiple lengths. And can ship most orders same day. A lso, all of our tubing is stored inside in a climate controlled warehouse. > > > Click to order > > > > > > > > > > Forward this email > > > This email was sent to michael.d.cuy@grc.nasa.gov by wicksaircraft@gmail.c om | > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe=84=A2 > Wicks Aircraft Supply | 410 Pine Street | Highland | IL | 62249 > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:35 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg Hey Mike I agree completely. Scott Wick has been very good to Piet builders over the years, he donates all of the wng cap strips for our workshop at SNF and other stuff we use. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 9:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg http://www.wicksaircraft.com/index.html Of possible interest. I know Wicks probably isn't the most popular aircraft supply house anymore but to me they were the best when building my Piet. ASSCO (Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co.) was, by comparison, in my years of building much less-aircraft knowledgeable, messed up more orders and had more back-ordered items than Wicks ever had. I don't know if that is true today but I was much happier with my dealings with Wicks over Aircraft Spruce in every way. MikeC. From: Wicks Aircraft Supply [mailto:wicksaircraft@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:25 AM To: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Subject: 4130 Dillsburg Visit our website!! With the recent news that Dillsburg Aeroplane Works is going out of business, Wicks is happy to annnounce that we are stocked full of 4130 tubing. We have in recent months stocked up on bulk inventory to keep our prices low. We offer discounts on multiple lengths. And can ship most orders same day. Also, all of our tubing is stored inside in a climate controlled warehouse. Click to order Forward this email This email was sent to michael.d.cuy@grc.nasa.gov by wicksaircraft@gmail.com | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribeT | Privacy Policy. Wicks Aircraft Supply | 410 Pine Street | Highland | IL | 62249 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I Forgot to Add Proof From: "aerocarjake" Beautiful job on your baseboard and trim. It's hard to see it exactly with those ribs in the way, but nice work... (ha!) Keep it up Terry - awesome.....!! Definitely do not archive -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399911#399911 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg From: DandD Boyd I got most of my building supplies from Wicks. Fast, friendly, helpful over the phone. Dave Boyd Champaign, IL NX7710J On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Dick N wrote: > ** > Hey Mike > I agree completely. Scott Wick has been very good to Piet builders over > the years, he donates all of the wng cap strips for our workshop at SNF a nd > other stuff we use. > Dick N. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Friday, May 03, 2013 9:28 AM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg > > http://www.wicksaircraft.com/index.html**** > > ** ** > > Of possible interest. I know Wicks probably isn=92t the most popular > aircraft supply house anymore but to me they**** > > were the best when building my Piet. ASSCO (Aircraft Spruce & > Specialty Co.) was, by comparison, in my years of building**** > > much less-aircraft knowledgeable, messed up more orders and had more > back-ordered items than Wicks ever had. I don=92t know**** > > if that is true today but I was much happier with my dealings with Wicks > over Aircraft Spruce in every way. **** > > ** ** > > MikeC.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Wicks Aircraft Supply [mailto:wicksaircraft@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, May 03, 2013 10:25 AM > *To:* Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] > *Subject:* 4130 Dillsburg**** > > ** ** > > **** > > **** > > * * > > [image: LOGOLargeBlackYellow] > **** > > **** > > *Visit our website!!* > **** > > **** > > * With the recent news that Dillsburg Aeroplane Works is going out of > business, Wicks is happy to annnounce that we are stocked full of 4130 > tubing. We have in recent months stocked up on bulk inventory to keep our > prices low. We offer discounts on multiple lengths. And can ship most > orders same day. Also, all of our tubing is stored inside in a climate > controlled warehouse. ***** > > ** ** > > [image: 4130 tube] **** > > * * **** > > ** ** > > *Click to order > * **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > ** ** > > *Forward this email > * > > > > **** > > **** > > This email was sent to michael.d.cuy@grc.nasa.gov by > wicksaircraft@gmail.com | **** > > Update Profile/Email Address /do?p=un&mse=001l3cLBhqUqd9KCXG5gQgAWJv0PNgBfZMswlxfQVVIVDM%3D&t=001u _uCzaNsw7QHS-dnLY_iIA%3D%3D&llr=64kitjfab>=99 > > .**** > > Wicks Aircraft Supply | 410 Pine Street | Highland | IL | 62249**** > > ** ** > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:32 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg The only problem I had with Dillsburg was that some of his tubing was from China.=C2- It has a dull matte finish compared to the "good" stuff which has the shiny finish.=C2-He told me when I ordered a few years back that he got it cheap because he got it right off the boat, straight from the mil ls over seas.=C2- The tubing seems to be ok but I haven't put it in servi ce yet, hope it doesn't crack on me.=C2- I have never had tubing from A.S .S. or Wicks with the matte finish, it is always shiny and black. =C2- For what it's worth, =C2- Shad --- On Fri, 5/3/13, Jack wrote: From: Jack Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wicks 4130 Dillsburg I've been very happy with Wicks... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On May 3, 2013, at 9:28 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, L LC]" wrote: http://www.wicksaircraft.com/index.html =C2- Of possible interest.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- I know Wicks probably isn =99t the most popular aircraft supply house anymore but to me they were the best when building my Piet.=C2- =C2-=C2-ASSCO=C2- (Aircraf t Spruce & Specialty Co.) was, by comparison, in my years of building much less-aircraft knowledgeable,=C2- messed up more orders and had more back-ordered items than Wicks ever had.=C2-=C2- I don=99t know if that is true today but I was much happier with my dealings with Wicks ov er Aircraft Spruce in every way. =C2- MikeC. =C2- =C2- =C2- From: Wicks Aircraft Supply [mailto:wicksaircraft@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: 4130 Dillsburg =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2- Visit our website!! =C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- With the recent news that Dillsburg Aeroplane Works=C2-is go ing out of business, Wicks is happy to annnounce that we are stocked full o f 4130 tubing. We have in recent months stocked up on bulk inventory to kee p our prices low. We offer discounts on multiple lengths. And can ship most orders same day. Also, all of our tubing is stored inside in a climate con trolled warehouse. =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2- Click to order=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- =C2- Forward this email This email was sent to michael.d.cuy@grc.nasa.gov by wicksaircraft@gmail.co m | =C2- Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe=84 =A2 | Privacy Policy. Wicks Aircraft Supply | 410 Pine Street | Highland | IL | 62249 =C2- ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:28 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam UNCLASSIFIED Clif, How tall are you? I am 5ft 7.5 in. I am build normally, not with a clownishly short torso ;+) I am looking at slightly modifying my plane to have a similar setup to yours. BTW Great pictures, they tell me a lot. Blue Skies, Steve D On 04/26/13, Clif Dawson wrote: > Being a bit short torso'd,well, maybe short all over. > I was 5' 8 1/2" when younger but now seem to > have lost an inch of that somehow. Anyway,this > means that my shoulders don't stick up above > the turtle deck. THAT means my shoulder > harness can safely route through the top edge of > the seat back. I have cabled the two straps into > one that goes back to the tail post. The rod that > fits is 1\2" dia 6061-T6 alum. The black bits on the > tail rod are rubber tube lengths to keep the cable > centered. > If you need them higher and also don't want to cut > into the back then possibly my first idea might > give you a start. That's the drawing. The bumps > were going to be fabric covered balsa. > > Clif > > >I've seen several Piets and they do NOT have shoulder harnesses - just seat belts. Does anyone use a 4-point harness in the back seat or is it tradition to use only a lap belt? > since the seat back is built-in to the frame - there will have to be some serious wood cutting to install the shoulder harness. > . > >Jim McWhorter > >N687MB (New Owner) > >Culpeper, VA KCJR UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:43 PM PST US From: airlion2@gmail.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Logbook Hey all. What kind of notations do I have to log in my logbook after my complete rebuild. Do I just treat it as an annual and note the repairs made ? See you in Brodhead. Cheers Gardiner ( airlion2@gmail.com > > > -------- > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399833#399833 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2960_205.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2959_229.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logbook From: Jack Gardiner and others the last few days I have not been able to access the attachment links, I receive file not found 404... Happening to others? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On May 3, 2013, at 7:13 PM, airlion2@gmail.com wrote: > > Hey all. What kind of notations do I have to log in my logbook after my complete rebuild. Do I just treat it as an annual and note the repairs made ? See you in Brodhead. Cheers Gardiner ( airlion2@gmail.com > > > > > > >> >> -------- >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399833#399833 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2960_205.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2959_229.jpg > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logbook From: Gary Boothe Me too. Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Jack wrote: > > Gardiner and others the last few days I have not been able to access the attachment links, I receive file not found 404... Happening to others? > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On May 3, 2013, at 7:13 PM, airlion2@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> Hey all. What kind of notations do I have to log in my logbook after my complete rebuild. Do I just treat it as an annual and note the repairs made ? See you in Brodhead. Cheers Gardiner ( airlion2@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> -------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399833#399833 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2960_205.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2959_229.jpg > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Logbook From: "tools" As far as I know, that's all that is required. Didn't change anything from original did ya, like different motor or something? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399926#399926 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:06 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logbook That's all you need to do, Gardiner.Since enough time has elapsed to require another Condition Inspection, do the inspection noting all the repairs made. Sign it off as a normal inspection (you do have the Repairman's Certificate, don't you?). Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion2@gmail.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Logbook Hey all. What kind of notations do I have to log in my logbook after my complete rebuild. Do I just treat it as an annual and note the repairs made ? See you in Brodhead. Cheers Gardiner ( airlion2@gmail.com > > > -------- > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399833#399833 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2960_205.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2959_229.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:28 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam Good Lord! That was my last hieght assesment also. I appear tobe following in my family's footsteps. My Dad was 5' 11 in his heyday but by 86 was 5 ' 5". I'm going to need a thick cushion down the road!! Clif More pics here; http://www.clifdawson.ca/ > UNCLASSIFIED > Clif, How tall are you? I am 5ft 7.5 in. I am build normally, not with a > clownishly short torso ;+) I am looking at slightly modifying my plane to > have a similar setup to yours. > > BTW Great pictures, they tell me a lot. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.