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1. 04:16 AM - Re: Re: Riblett wing volume (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 06:07 AM - Re: pulling nails... (Bill Church)
3. 08:45 AM - Re: Brodhead dates (DaveG601XL)
4. 10:49 AM - Re: Brodhead dates (Bill Church)
5. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: pulling nails... (Ray Krause)
6. 05:57 PM - Re: Brodhead dates (taildrags)
7. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead dates (John Hofmann)
8. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: Riblett wing volume (Ray Krause)
9. 10:37 PM - Re: Re: pulling nails... (Ray Krause)
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett wing volume |
Besides, those copper nail heads are really quite attractive. Loved to look
at them all the while before covering. I don't think they would ever work
their way out, would they?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: curtdm(at)gmail.com <curtdm@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 9:24 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett wing volume
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Re: pulling staples
I posted a picture a while back when I finished my ribs. I used staples and
kept
them all to weigh after I pulled them. The total weight savings was about 6
.5
oz. Next time I'd use nails and forgo the cup of coffee before flight.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: pulling nails... |
As I recall, the issue with nails backing out related to a wing that had an aluminum
leading edge skin, rather than the plywood (or cardboard) shown in the plans.
Aluminum cannot be successfully glued to wood, so the only fastening of
the aluminum is by means of nails. And the leading edge will be subject to flexing
and movement, so it is likely that, over a number of years, the nails may
begin to work themselves loose.
In an aircraft, the primary method of fastening wood to wood is through the use
of gussets and adhesive, and nails can be used to hold the wood in place while
the glue cures. Nails should not be relied on to provide any structural strength.
And, if building with Resorcinol adhesive, tight fitting joints are critical.
The glue thickness is only supposed to be .005", so precise woodworking is called
for. If a builder feels that this sort of precision is outside their abilities,
they would be better served by using epoxy, such as T-88, which has some
gap filling abilities.
bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead dates |
Douwe,
Yes, that would be right with Oshkosh starting the next day on the 29th. It is
a bit late in my opinion too. I have another national event I have always attended
the week after Oshkosh, but now they over lap and I can't do both this
year.
See you at Brodhead? If you need anything ground transported from the Cincinnati
area, just let me know.
Dave
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now
Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead dates |
Oshkosh typically opens on a Monday, between July 23 and 29.
This year it falls at the tail end of the "spectrum".
Last year it was at the early end.
I believe the EAA sets the dates for Airventure according the dates set for the
Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-in.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: pulling nails... |
Thanks,
That is good information. My plane will be well sealed and always in a very dry
hangar. At my age, I may never see those little buggers raise their ugly heads.
The brads I am using are supposed to have one kind of heat sensitive adhesive
that is supposed to prevent them from coming out. They are a bitch to remove!
Thanks again ,
Ray Krause
SkyScout in progress!
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On May 6, 2013, at 11:37 PM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
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over so they tend to hold the nail. Driven quickly (especially like a pneumatic
driven nail), the fibers break, so the nail has less pull out resistance.
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as wood is more dimensionally stable that way than plain sawn.
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead dates |
Bill, I like you ;o) Yes, I can just see the big dogs over at the AirVenture planning
table, all looking over a large map of Wittman Field, with a calendar
on the wall, and a big red stick-pin with "Brodhead Piets" marking the key date
for AirVenture planning. The world revolves around Air Campers!!!
Now somebody needs to go find the "Hitler bunker scene" video and build a narrative
around this "tail wags the dog" scenario. I want John Hoffman to play Hitler
in the video, and have him crush a half-eaten brat in his trembling hand
instead of his reading glasses ;o)
no offense intended... ducking for cover...
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead dates |
Hey Oscar,
Adolph will be making an appearance soon but covering a different topic!
Best,
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On May 7, 2013, at 7:57 PM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Bill, I like you ;o) Yes, I can just see the big dogs over at the
AirVenture planning table, all looking over a large map of Wittman
Field, with a calendar on the wall, and a big red stick-pin with
"Brodhead Piets" marking the key date for AirVenture planning. The
world revolves around Air Campers!!!
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build a narrative around this "tail wags the dog" scenario. I want John
Hoffman to play Hitler in the video, and have him crush a half-eaten
brat in his trembling hand instead of his reading glasses ;o)
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> Medford, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett wing volume |
Let's wait and see, I guess. May they will work like dimple tape and make i
t the fastest Piet on earth!
Thank,
Ray Krause
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On May 7, 2013, at 4:15 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Besides, those copper nail heads are really quite attractive. Loved to loo
k at them all the while before covering. I don't think they would ever work t
heir way out, would they?
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> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett wing volume
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> I posted a picture a while back when I finished my ribs. I used staples an
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> them all to weigh after I pulled them. The total weight savings was about 6
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| Subject: | Re: pulling nails... |
Thanks, Bill. I agree with everything you say. I used T-88 and am not relying
on the nails for any added strength. The brads are just used to secure the gussets
and structure for drying. It is just too damn hard to remove them. If some
of them work out on my plane, the lesson will be learned.
Thanks to everyone,
Ray Krause
SkyScout
PS: I will not be attending the Fraiser Lake FLYIN this year. My granddaughter
is having her high school graduation party for the family that day, 11AM to 1PM!
We also have the Sonex flyin the same day. Will many of the piets be staying
over untll Sunday? I could fly down Sunday.
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On May 7, 2013, at 6:05 AM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
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> As I recall, the issue with nails backing out related to a wing that had an aluminum
leading edge skin, rather than the plywood (or cardboard) shown in the
plans. Aluminum cannot be successfully glued to wood, so the only fastening
of the aluminum is by means of nails. And the leading edge will be subject to
flexing and movement, so it is likely that, over a number of years, the nails
may begin to work themselves loose.
> In an aircraft, the primary method of fastening wood to wood is through the use
of gussets and adhesive, and nails can be used to hold the wood in place while
the glue cures. Nails should not be relied on to provide any structural strength.
> And, if building with Resorcinol adhesive, tight fitting joints are critical.
The glue thickness is only supposed to be .005", so precise woodworking is called
for. If a builder feels that this sort of precision is outside their abilities,
they would be better served by using epoxy, such as T-88, which has some
gap filling abilities.
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