---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/10/13: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:52 AM - Re: My Days Work (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:42 AM - Re: My Days Work (womenfly2) 3. 05:08 AM - Re: My Days Work (Avill) 4. 05:56 AM - Re: My Days Work (Michael Weston) 5. 06:24 AM - Re: My Days Work (Avill) 6. 06:45 AM - Turnbuckle Cleanup (CraigAho) 7. 06:53 AM - Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 8. 06:58 AM - Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup (C N Campbell) 9. 07:08 AM - Welcome Michael Weston (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 10. 07:23 AM - Re: My Days Work (dgaldrich) 11. 08:02 AM - Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup (dgaldrich) 12. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: My Days Work (Ken Bickers) 13. 08:28 AM - Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup (CraigAho) 14. 08:42 AM - My Days Work (Oscar Zuniga) 15. 09:10 AM - Re: My Days Work (nightmare) 16. 09:55 AM - Re: My Days Work (taildrags) 17. 10:28 AM - Re: My Days Work (Dick N) 18. 10:41 AM - Re: My Days Work (nightmare) 19. 11:36 AM - Re: My Days Work (Bill Church) 20. 11:39 AM - Re: My Days Work (Don Emch) 21. 01:04 PM - spruce capstrip (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 22. 01:38 PM - Re: spruce capstrip (C N Campbell) 23. 01:47 PM - Re: spruce capstrip (C N Campbell) 24. 02:03 PM - Re: spruce capstrip (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 25. 02:38 PM - Re: My Days Work (Greg Cardinal) 26. 03:09 PM - Re: My Days Work (Avill) 27. 05:54 PM - Re: spruce capstrip (C N Campbell) 28. 07:18 PM - Re: spruce capstrip (nightmare) 29. 11:55 PM - Re: Re: My Days Work (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Days Work From: helspersew@aol.com OK John Hoffman, so the list has been slow lately.................... -----Original Message----- From: Avill Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 7:51 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Days Work Well here is my day's work. I figured since money is tight I might as well draw up my ribs. This is a 613.5 for use on a long wing with 1.5" I-beam spars. I will probably end up having one of the people I know with a router cut the gussets and jig to match. We will see if I can get the cap strips cut on a laser or a router. What ever happened to that guy about 2 years ago who was offer ing CNC rib kits? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400229#400229 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/riblett_6135_no_verticals_932.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/riblett_6135_with_verticals_113.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: "womenfly2" Why would you cut the cap strips out on a CNC router or laser. The grain or slope of the wood would not be correct. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400245#400245 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: "Avill" Maybe I used the incorrect terminology, the capstrips would still be bent but 90% of the mitres could be completed. I also neglected to mention the purpose. The mission is hot and high here in Denver. Yeah its been slow. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400247#400247 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:47 AM PST US From: Michael Weston Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Days Work hi, new here.my name is mike weston I'm building a short fuselage piet here in minneapolis, where the pilot light blew out on spring.anyway.I was unaware of the option to use a 1.5" "I"beam spar. where do I obtain a copy of this plan addendum? for that matter I didnt know that there was a long wing option how long? and where? by the way, you guys (and gals) are by far and away the most pleasant and helpful group i have ever come across on the web. keep it up! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: "Avill" Mike, There are no plans for an I-beam spar. It is however referenced on the West Coast Piet site with the necessary formulas. As far as lenghtening the wing, it has been done but again, no plans. I was intending on an extra rib inboard and one outboard of the strut. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400252#400252 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle Cleanup From: "CraigAho" I was wondering if anyone has a suggestion for cleaning the barrels of the many turnbuckles i have from NX40772. The barrels are all dark from age but also the smoke damage. A couple cleaned up with some brass polish and fine bronze wool but most are stubborn and it would be a lot of handwork to brighten. Is there something I can soak them in? Lacquer thinner? or something? Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400254#400254 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:03 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle Cleanup http://www.wizardsproducts.com/store/catalog/Metal-Polish-30-oz-p-13.html This is by far the best (and easiest) stuff I've used to polish not only tu rnbuckles but my aluminum rims. Of course there is Nevr Dull polishing wadding available at Walmart/Kmart A utomotive and most of the autozone type stores that work well too but there is some chemical in this Wizards t hat really makes brass shine incredibly nicely and fast. Mike C. [cid:image001.png@01CE4D64.212208B0] ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:46 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle Cleanup Craig, there is a product called "Brasso" which (most) military types use to shine their belt buckles. Don't know where you could get a can. I used to get what I needed at a military uniform shop or something similar. It does take a bit or rubbing, though. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "CraigAho" Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 9:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle Cleanup > > I was wondering if anyone has a suggestion for cleaning the barrels of the > many turnbuckles i have from NX40772. The barrels are all dark from age > but also the smoke damage. A couple cleaned up with some brass polish and > fine bronze wool but most are stubborn and it would be a lot of handwork > to brighten. Is there something I can soak them in? Lacquer thinner? or > something? > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400254#400254 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:09 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome Michael Weston Hi Michael, I made a simple spar that required no routing and was easy to build. You can make the wing longer yes. If building a 3-pce wing make your cente r section wider or add a foot or two to each wing panel. It will improve your climb and how much you can lift passenge r-wise. You've got Dick Navratil in your area and he's built two Piets so he should be a good source of info first hand. If you can attend the Piet fly-in at Brodhead, WI you'll see lots of good things on how people did various aspects of the pla ne. Each one a little different from the rest. Bring a measuring tape, camera, and notepad:). Michael Cuy Ohio [cid:image001.jpg@01CE4D66.118FC200] ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: "dgaldrich" Mike There are a number of Piets in the MSP area and one of the local EAA chapters is building one. Dick Navrotil has built or had a hand in building something like 10 of them, lives in St Paul, and is active on this list. You should have a lot of usable advice from them. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400263#400263 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup From: "dgaldrich" Or you could just leave them as-is and call it an "unrestored, authentic, antique, patina finish" -- guaranteed to add value to almost anything. Insert smart-a** smiley face here. Dave do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400268#400268 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: Ken Bickers Avill, If you are in the Denver area, you're welcome to drop by sometime to take a peek at my Pietenpol project. I'm based in Longmont. I'll be at the hangar most of tomorrow wing covering and probably some other to-do list items. Send me a PM if interested. Ken On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 6:08 AM, Avill wrote: > > Maybe I used the incorrect terminology, the capstrips would still be bent > but 90% of the mitres could be completed. > > I also neglected to mention the purpose. The mission is hot and high here > in Denver. Yeah its been slow. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400247#400247 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup From: "CraigAho" Thanks Guys for the suggestions. I have not seen the Miracle product Mike, I will take a look for it. I have used the others and was using some Never Dull along with the steel and bronze wool. I even chucked up a few barrels and spun them with my drill motor while holding the wool in the other hand which is a nice way to quickly polish but there are many VERY subbornly tarnished baked on smoke finish ones that will be more of a challenge and with the costs of buckles these days these are like gold so I will put the labor in a clean them up or maybe go with Daves suggestion. :) Speaking of labor intensive my wire wheels are a nitemare trying to relace them just because I had to have the nice looking grease cups. [Shocked] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400273#400273 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:01 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Days Work Avill=3B Is there some engineering behind your increasing the spar width to 1.5"? T he most important dimension for a spar (bending loads) is the depth. Incre asing the width does improve the spar's top and bottom chord performance in tension and compression=2C which helps in bending=2C but the point is=2C o thers have shown that 3/4" width is adequate for standard Air Camper spars. You might consider using 1" instead of 1.5" for your analysis with the lo nger wing before locking yourself into doubling the stock spar width. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: "nightmare" Avil: welcome to the 613.5 club. Mark Roberts, I believe, can provide cnc rib jig. Not sure about the ribs themselves. Contact me off line for his phone number. I don't think he would mind. I've built my center section I-beam 5/8 web and 1x1 top and bottom. I was just today trying to find out how one could figure out how to determine I-beam configurations to be equally as strong as varied sizes of sawn lumber spar material.would love to hear about your software/website/formula that you are using. Thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400276#400276 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: "taildrags" Paul; The easy way to figure out what spar configuration you need would be to start with what works and then reverse-engineer your way to the configuration that you want to try. In the case of the stock Piet wing, you could start with the stock 1" solid spar and determine the moment that the stock, solid Air Camper spar was designed to sustain and use that as the number that your proposed substitute spar needs to meet. There are tables for looking up the moment of inertia for the beam section (Ix), a rectangle being the simplest. With that number in hand, you could calculate the web and flange dimensions needed for your "alternative" spar, but it gets more complex. The solid wood spar in the original drawings (and the routed 3/4" spar that Mr. Pietenpol later used as well) are Sitka spruce. If you use a different type of wood, or if you build up a composite I-beam section, the materials used may have different yield stress characteristics than Sitka and you've got to account for that. If you change the spar depth, the moment of inertia for the spar section changes, and you have to account for that. If you make the wings longer, the bending moment and other loads change as well... and you have to account for that. If you keep the attachment point for the lift struts to the wing spars the same but increase the wing span, the loading on the outboard parts of the wing changes and you have to account for that. Yadda, yadda. The point is, it's not as simple as "if I widen the flange by 1/2", I can increase the wing span by 18". At least, not if you want to do it right. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400278#400278 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:37 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Days Work What part of Mpls are you in? I am in Arden Hills and would like to stop by for a visit sometime. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Weston" Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Days Work hi, new here.my name is mike weston I'm building a short fuselage piet here in minneapolis, where the pilot light blew out on spring.anyway.I was unaware of the option to use a 1.5" "I"beam spar. where do I obtain a copy of this plan addendum? for that matter I didnt know that there was a long wing option how long? and where? by the way, you guys (and gals) are by far and away the most pleasant and helpful group i have ever come across on the web. keep it up! ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: "nightmare" Thanks Oscar; my scenario would be a little easier. Since im using the 613.5 wing, I would like to reverse engineer a cub spar into an ibeam. For all practical purposes, all the variables would be identical. Even though im using doug fir, I would still compare it to the spruce and end up with a slightly stronger spar. I looked at the west coast piet formulas that Avill mentioned and its Not as easy to figure out as I was hoping (for me) but Thats OK, I'll just continue with my slightly lighter and slightly stronger spar, unless any one else has some time to kill and wants to figure it out for me. Paul; The easy way to figure out what spar configuration you need would be to start with what works and then reverse-engineer your way to the configuration that you want to try. In the case of the stock Piet wing, you could start with the stock 1" solid spar and determine the moment that the stock, solid Air Camper spar was designed to sustain and use that as the number that your proposed substitute spar needs to meet. There are tables for looking up the moment of inertia for the beam section (Ix), a rectangle being the simplest. With that number in hand, you could calculate the web and flange dimensions needed for your "alternative" spar, but it gets more complex. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400282#400282 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: "Bill Church" Avill, i was just looking at your CAD model of your rib, and it appears that you have raised the level where the bottom surface of the spars will sit. I don't think you want to do that. That will require that your brackets will need to be longer, with increased bending loads. The spars should sit right on top of the bottom capstrip. As for CNC router or laser cut capstrips... one has to ask "why?". These are simple 1/4" x 1/2" strips of spruce, easily cut with a small hand saw, or a miter saw. I rough cut mine a little bit oversized, and then fine tuned with a stationary disc sander. Worked like a charm. And finally, as Oscar said, every change affects many other things that need to be accounted for. Be careful to make sure you cover all your bases before proceeding with significant changes. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400288#400288 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: "Don Emch" Remember, Mr. Pietenpol used a 1" routed spar and that is shown in the Pietenpol family plans. Later, in the '60's he used a laminated 3/4" spar with no routing. Laminated correctly this would be stronger than a solid 3/4" spar which he never used. Others however have used this. There's very little difference in price between 3/4" and 1" and routing is very simple. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400289#400289 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:40 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip This would be enough spruce to build an entire set of wing ribs. (this is for 450 feet of =BC"x =BD" spruce capstrip. Lighter than Douglas Fir too. Mike C. [cid:image001.png@01CE4D97.A8FAEB20] ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:24 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 4:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip This would be enough spruce to build an entire set of wing ribs. (this is for 450 feet of =BC"x =BD" spruce capstrip. Lighter than Douglas Fir too. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:18 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip Michael, I don't know where you got the figure of $0.53 per foot for 1/2 X 1/4 capstrip. ACS sells it for $0.32 per foot for a total of $144 for 450 feet. I sort of think it will take just a bit more than that. I think I figured 500 feet. My capstrip was cut from 5/4 (1 inch finished) Douglas Fir stock. We first cut the board into 1/4-inch strips and then cut the 1-inch dimension down the middle. The strips actually came out 1/4 X 7/16 or there abouts. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 4:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip This would be enough spruce to build an entire set of wing ribs. (this is for 450 feet of =BC"x =BD" spruce capstrip. Lighter than Douglas Fir too. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:40 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip That's even a better price you got there Chuck from AC Spruce. My cut and p aste was from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Sure is nice to just get finished stock and start cutting and gluing but I can see people making their own capstrip material, just not me:) ! Mike C. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C N Campbell Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip Michael, I don't know where you got the figure of $0.53 per foot for 1/2 X 1/4 capstrip. ACS sells it for $0.32 per foot for a total of $144 for 450 feet. I sort of think it will take just a bit more than that. I think I f igured 500 feet. My capstrip was cut from 5/4 (1 inch finished) Douglas Fi r stock. We first cut the board into 1/4-inch strips and then cut the 1-in ch dimension down the middle. The strips actually came out 1/4 X 7/16 or t here abouts. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 4:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip This would be enough spruce to build an entire set of wing ribs. (this is for 450 feet of =BC"x =BD" spruce capstrip. Lighter than Douglas Fir too. Mike C. [cid:image001.png@01CE4DA0.21EC1830] ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:24 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Days Work Mike, Minneapolis / St. Paul has a very active Pietenpol following. Active Pietenpol flyers include Dick Navratil, Bob Poore, Larry White and myself. Several active build projects are in the immediate area also. Call me at 612 721-6235, we'll get you connected. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Weston" Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Days Work > > > hi, new here.my name is mike weston I'm building a short fuselage piet > here in minneapolis, where the pilot light blew out on spring.anyway.I was > unaware of the option to use a 1.5" "I"beam spar. where do I obtain a copy > of this plan addendum? for that matter I didnt know that there was a long > wing option how long? and where? by the way, you guys (and gals) are by > far and away the most pleasant and helpful group i have ever come across > on the web. keep it up! > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: "Avill" Bill Church wrote: > Avill, > i was just looking at your CAD model of your rib, and it appears that you have raised the level where the bottom surface of the spars will sit. I don't think you want to do that. That will require that your brackets will need to be longer, with increased bending loads. The spars should sit right on top of the bottom capstrip. > As for CNC router or laser cut capstrips... one has to ask "why?". These are simple 1/4" x 1/2" strips of spruce, easily cut with a small hand saw, or a miter saw. I rough cut mine a little bit oversized, and then fine tuned with a stationary disc sander. Worked like a charm. > And finally, as Oscar said, every change affects many other things that need to be accounted for. Be careful to make sure you cover all your bases before proceeding with significant changes. > > Bill C. Bill, Thank you for your input. I will reduce the distance from the capstrips to the spar on the next revision. Everyone else, I will put in more time and see if the 1" built up spar works with the extra height. Ken, How does next Friday sound? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400306#400306 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:45 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip I'm cheap!! My last name's Campbell -- Scotch, you know. C Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 5:02 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip That's even a better price you got there Chuck from AC Spruce. My cut and paste was from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Sure is nice to just get finished stock and start cutting and gluing but I can see people making their own capstrip material, just not meJ ! Mike C. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C N Campbell Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 4:46 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip Michael, I don't know where you got the figure of $0.53 per foot for 1/2 X 1/4 capstrip. ACS sells it for $0.32 per foot for a total of $144 for 450 feet. I sort of think it will take just a bit more than that. I think I figured 500 feet. My capstrip was cut from 5/4 (1 inch finished) Douglas Fir stock. We first cut the board into 1/4-inch strips and then cut the 1-inch dimension down the middle. The strips actually came out 1/4 X 7/16 or there abouts. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 4:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spruce capstrip This would be enough spruce to build an entire set of wing ribs. (this is for 450 feet of =BC"x =BD" spruce capstrip. Lighter than Douglas Fir too. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spruce capstrip From: "nightmare" For that money, I got enough doug fir for 1 1/2 piets. And I mean spars, ribs, longerons ect... I couldnt find that deal again though. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400313#400313 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:55 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work In this 5/8" web, what is the material and direction of grain? Clif > I've built my center section I-beam 5/8 web and 1x1 top and bottom. . > Thanks; Paul > Paul Donahue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.