---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/14/13: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:57 AM - Re: Wing Turning Stand (was Updates Please) (Jack) 2. 04:00 AM - Re: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup (Jack) 3. 05:29 AM - Another Three Place Pietenpol (AircamperN11MS) 4. 06:00 AM - Re: Another Three Place Pietenpol (Gary Boothe) 5. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: My Days Work (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 6. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup (Craig Aho) 7. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: spruce capstrip (Jim Boyer) 8. 08:27 AM - Re: My Days Work (TOM STINEMETZE) 9. 08:31 AM - Re: Another Three Place Pietenpol (Jim Boyer) 10. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup (Michael Perez) 11. 09:44 AM - Re: updates please (Michael Perez) 12. 10:02 AM - Re: updates please (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 13. 11:03 AM - Re: updates please (Michael Perez) 14. 11:32 AM - Re: updates please (John Hofmann) 15. 12:15 PM - Re: updates please (airlion2@gmail.com) 16. 01:06 PM - Re: updates please (John Hofmann) 17. 02:04 PM - Re: Another Three Place Pietenpol (AircamperN11MS) 18. 02:10 PM - Re: updates please (airlion2@gmail.com) 19. 02:55 PM - Re: updates please (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 20. 02:59 PM - Re: My Days Work (Michael Weston) 21. 03:45 PM - Cessna 140..... (Dave Abramson) 22. 04:39 PM - Re: ELTs (Fun2av8) 23. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: ELTs (Marcus Zechini) 24. 05:24 PM - Re: ELTs (Fun2av8) 25. 07:03 PM - Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup (Billy McCaskill) 26. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup (Craig Aho) 27. 08:05 PM - Re: My Days Work (Mark Roberts) 28. 10:43 PM - Re: Re: My Days Work (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Turning Stand (was Updates Please) From: Jack Very helpful Ken thanks! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On May 13, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > Jack, attached are four pictures of the wing turning stands that I made. > > The wing root stand attaches to the spar attach fittings. It involves a simple bracket welded to a square tube, sized to fit between the spar brackets with some room to insert a short section of threaded rod with nuts that can be tightened against the spar fittings and the tube itself. > > The wing bow stand is simpler. It is just a vertical post (I used some 1" square tube) with a hole for a bolt. The bolt has a spacer to offset the vertical post from the wing bow by about an inch and a half or so. I drilled a 3/16" hole through the wing bow and permanently affixed a 3/16" t-nut on the inside of the wing bow. The height of the posts is set to allow the wing to pivot through a full 360 degrees without bumping into the stands. > > One comment, though. I centered the stands on the wing chord to give clearance in turning it. It is NOT centered by weight. The knobs I am using are inadequate to keep gravity at bay. Consequently I use an old bar stool to slide under the leading edge of the wing, sometimes with a cardboard box to adjust the angle of the wing while I'm working. > > Almost all of the pieces used were scraps left over from various jigs I've made along the way -- mostly the engine mount jigs. There's nothing fancy about any of this. But it seems to work great. > > Let me know if you want more pictures or additional info. > > Cheers,Ken > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup From: Jack Craig what medium do you use in the tumbler? Thanks Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On May 13, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Craig Aho wrote: > You know Billy I do have a tumber as I use to do a lot of reloading, that d id cross my mind but I didnt try it yet, I will do so today. Thanks > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup > > From: billmz@cox.net > > Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:03:35 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > Craig, if you or someone you know is involved with ammunition reloading, they probably have a vibratory tumbler that they use for cleaning/polishing the brass cartridge cases prior to reloading them. Toss your brass turnbuck les into the tumbler for 4-5 hours, and go work on something else while the t umbler does it's thing. When you take them out, they will be as bright and s hiny as when they were new, without any manual labor involved. > > > > I routinely throw nuts, bolts, small fittings, etc into my tumbler for c leaning up so I don't have to spend hours cleaning them by hand. Of course, I also use my tumbler for cleaning cartridge cases too, but that's a topic fo r an entirely different forum. > > > > -------- > > Billy McCaskill > > Baker, LA > > tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400534#400534 > > > > > = > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Three Place Pietenpol From: "AircamperN11MS" I finally got to take my Grandson for a Piet Flight. He was Two in January. My daughter carried him in one of those Kangaroo Pouch things. It worked out very well and he didn't want to get out. It was a good day. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400614#400614 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/zachimagejpeg_0_3_197.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:07 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Three Place Pietenpol [Like] Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Three Place Pietenpol --> I finally got to take my Grandson for a Piet Flight. He was Two in January. My daughter carried him in one of those Kangaroo Pouch things. It worked out very well and he didn't want to get out. It was a good day. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400614#400614 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/zachimagejpeg_0_3_197.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:59 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work UNCLASSIFIED Mark "For the record, I have lost about 15 pounds over the last year, but my bones and basic body type ain't changing much even with another 30." For the record, I have also started on this modification on my Piet. I am using the book "Eat this, Not that!" as a beginning guideline along with time walking, biking and some calestenics. This modification will do more to give me a greater passenger capacity than just about any that I can make. It will also improve the aft CG problem. I should be able to increase my load carrying capability by 20 pounds over time. Blue Skies, Steve D UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:24 AM PST US From: Craig Aho Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup I think it is ground walnut shells=2C I have a bag of it but have not used the tumbler in many years. I tried it for a few hours yesterday afternoon b ut it will take some time I think. Craig Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup From: jack@textors.com Craig what medium do you use in the tumbler?Thanks Sent from my iPadJack Textor On May 13=2C 2013=2C at 1:42 PM=2C Craig Aho wrote: =0A =0A =0A You know Billy I do have a tumber as I use to do a lot of reloading=2C that did cross my mind but I didnt try it yet=2C I will do so today. Thanks > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup > From: billmz@cox.net > Date: Mon=2C 13 May 2013 11:03:35 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Craig=2C if you or someone you know is involved with ammunition reloading =2C they probably have a vibratory tumbler that they use for cleaning/polis hing the brass cartridge cases prior to reloading them. Toss your brass tu rnbuckles into the tumbler for 4-5 hours=2C and go work on something else w hile the tumbler does it's thing. When you take them out=2C they will be a s bright and shiny as when they were new=2C without any manual labor involv ed. > > I routinely throw nuts=2C bolts=2C small fittings=2C etc into my tumbler for cleaning up so I don't have to spend hours cleaning them by hand. Of c ourse=2C I also use my tumbler for cleaning cartridge cases too=2C but that 's a topic for an entirely different forum. > > -------- > Billy McCaskill > Baker=2C LA > tail section almost done=2C starting on ribs soon > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400534#400534 > > = > > > =0A =0A =0A =0A ===========0A >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A ===========0A cs.com=0A ===========0A matronics.com/contribution=0A ===========0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:54 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spruce capstrip Only if you don't think about where it comes from and what it stuffed into. Jim B. Haggis is good. Just think of it as chewy bratwurst. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spruce capstrip < steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil > UNCLASSIFIED Like Haggis? On 05/11/13, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 5/11/2013 2:37:01 P.M. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:55 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work >>> "Mark Roberts" 5/13/2013 11:38 PM >>> e. That and the re-worked Rolls Royce Merlin I have the core for... Crud, did I just let that slip? Anyone used an old Rolls Royce 12 cylinder on one of these before? Any idea on the tanks size and placement? [Shocked] Mark: Maybe you should consider beefing up the landing gear just a tad - and putting about 200 lbs of extra weight in the tail. Stinemetze do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:22 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Three Place Pietenpol HI Scott, Good job and Katie looks just as happy. How long has it been since she flew the Piet. Cheers, Jim I finally got to take my Grandson for a Piet Flight. He was Two in January. My daughter carried him in one of those Kangaroo Pouch things. It worked out very well and he didn't want to get out. It was a good day. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:23 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup Curious if anyone has tried some- of the tarnish cleaners seen advertised on TV. These are usually shown being so effective that you need only dip t he tarnished part in the cleaner and remove it...presto, clean. I believe o ne such item is called CLR.- Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:46 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: updates please Hi Paul, thanks for asking.- Building has slowed because I have been spen ding time taking ground school and other activities. I have also slowed on my purchasing of build material as I am saving up funds to start flight tra ining. (I believe I will get started in June.)- This past Saturday we ado pted a beagle from a shelter, so we have been spending time with him. To answer your question, I only need to make my exhaust pipes, heat muff an d mount the prop. to run the engine. The prop is being made by Jay Anderson .- The major things that come to mind to complete the project are to fabr icate the engine cowling, fabricate the cabane diagonals to set wing positi on, fabricate wing cross cables, wind screens, fuel tank cowling...those ar e the major items. I also need to purchase a hand held radio, head sets, et c. which will come later when I can free up the funds to do so.- I am sur e there are hundreds of little items that still need attention, but those w ill be handled once I get out to the hangar.- (Not this summer as origina lly planned.) All other major tasks are complete and the plane is ready for final assembly. My current plan is to keep the plane disassembled at home and continue to p ick away at it as best I can while taking the hangar rent I would be spendi ng and putting it into flight training. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:47 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: updates please UNCLASSIFIED Micheal, What are you learning to fly in? Steve D On 05/14/13, Michael Perez wrote: > > Hi Paul, thanks for asking. Building has slowed because I have been spending time taking ground school and other activities. I have also slowed on my purchasing of build material as I am saving up funds to start flight training. (I believe I will get started in June.) This past Saturday we adopted a beagle from a shelter, so we have been spending time with him. > > To answer your question, I only need to make my exhaust pipes, heat muff and mount the prop. to run the engine. The prop is being made by Jay Anderson. The major things that come to mind to complete the project are to fabricate the engine cowling, fabricate the cabane diagonals to set wing position, fabricate wing cross cables, wind screens, fuel tank cowling...those are the major items. I also need to purchase a hand held radio, head sets, etc. which will come later when I can free up the funds to do so. I am sure there are hundreds of little items that still need attention, but those will be handled once I get out to the hangar. (Not this summer as originally planned.) All other major tasks are complete and the plane is ready for final assembly. > > My current plan is to keep the plane disassembled at home and continue to pick away at it as best I can while taking the hangar rent I would be spending and putting it into flight training. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:21 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: updates please I plan to take all of my training in a Cessna 140. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:27 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: updates please Get some Cub time if you can. The sight lines are the same and and so are many of the flight characteristics. A C-140 is decent but flies a bit "more modern" than a Piet. You will want to get used to more adverse yaw and being beat to death in a lower wing loading. After flying 502Rocket most of last summer I got the Cub out for the month of August for my flight review and a couple of flour bomb drops with the daughter. Two observations: 1. As well as theRocket flies, the Cub flies better (sacrilege!) 2. The safest place to be in a flour bomb contest is the target. You are certain to not be hit. On one of my passes, daughter Rachel dropped the flour bomb and it got stuck in the Cub landing gear for a couple of seconds before releasing. Away the bomb went, over the barn and into a copse of trees where the kids were playing a bean bag game. We observed a white "tree burst" like something out of the Ardennes during the Battle of the Bulge. Next came a bunch if kids, running and laughing, with their new white hair. theRocket and I will be out this evening enjoying some beautiful weather. We have been out a couple of times this year on a patrol with Tom Brown in his Piet as well. The two planes make a mighty fine sight in the Wisconsin skies. I have stated this before I think, but if people need a bit of Cub time let me know. Always looking for an excuse to dust her off. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On May 14, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > > I plan to take all of my training in a Cessna 140. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: updates please From: airlion2@gmail.com Hi all . I have a Cessna. 140. And if you can fly that, then you can fly a p ietenpol. They are both skittish on the ground.. My Piet and Cessna 140 H andell the same On the ground. Just learn how to dance on the rudders. Cheer s, gardiner Sent from my iPad On May 14, 2013, at 2:31 PM, John Hofmann wrote: > 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > On May 14, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Michael Perez wrot e: ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:41 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: updates please Gardiner, No argument there. The toe dance applies to all all airplanes with the little wheel in the back. But, you also have a gozillian hours vs someone that has 2. I think in that situation it is a good idea to get at least some time in a similar configuration. I know it made my transition easier to go from a Cub to the Piet. Best, -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On May 14, 2013, at 2:13 PM, airlion2@gmail.com wrote: > Hi all . I have a Cessna. 140. And if you can fly that, then you can fly a pietenpol. They are both skittish on the ground.. My Piet and Cessna 140 Handell the same On the ground. Just learn how to dance on the rudders. Cheers, gardiner > Sent from my iPad > > On May 14, 2013, at 2:31 PM, John Hofmann wrote: > >> 53704 >> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 >> Fax: 608.443.2474 >> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com >> >> On May 14, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Three Place Pietenpol From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Jim, This daughter is Jaime. The older one. Not too sure you have met her. Katie lives in Ill. on Scott AFB. They are the caretakers (parents) of my other grandson Braeden. He will be one on July 4th this year. He is still too young to take. Maybe next year. Thanks for asking, Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400647#400647 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: updates please From: airlion2@gmail.com Right on John . just get as much time as you can in a cub, aeronca, Cessna, t aylorcraft, champ,steerman, or any other plane has beautiful legs. Chee rs, gardiner Sent from my iPad On May 14, 2013, at 3:35 PM, John Hofmann wrote: > Gardiner, > > No argument there. The toe dance applies to all all airplanes with the lit tle wheel in the back. But, you also have a gozillian hours vs someone that h as 2. I think in that situation it is a good idea to get at least some time i n a similar configuration. I know it made my transition easier to go from a C ub to the Piet. > > Best, > -john- > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > On May 14, 2013, at 2:13 PM, airlion2@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi all . I have a Cessna. 140. And if you can fly that, then you can fly a pietenpol. They are both skittish on the ground.. My Piet and Cessna 140 Handell the same On the ground. Just learn how to dance on the rudders. Che ers, gardiner >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On May 14, 2013, at 2:31 PM, John Hofmann wro te: >> >>> 53704 >>> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 >>> Fax: 608.443.2474 >>> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com >>> >>> On May 14, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Michael Perez wr ote: >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:34 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: updates please UNCLASSIFIED Should prep you well. I know where a really pretty one is for sale. $25,000. On 05/14/13, Michael Perez wrote: > > I plan to take all of my training in a Cessna 140. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:17 PM PST US From: Michael Weston Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Days Work I would simply like to applaud the even handed calm nature of this entire debate. i have been flamed for simply asking questions that there should be easy answers to like, has anybody actually weighed a model A engine since 1932? yep 244lbs complete W/magneto I've heard. anyway,you guys are doing a heck of a job preserving the spirit of EAA E for experimental. we live in a time with a wealth of choices in new materials that mr pietenpol would recognize as the amazing bounty that it is. revel in it. we live in the best country in the world. keep building. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:11 PM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cessna 140..... hey guys, I have a 48' Cessna 140 metalized wing I might sell... I am in CA. Been stuck in an annual for a while... (my fault, not the planes...) Any interest out there. 15k ish.... it's polished, not painted... I am building my Pietenpol in the same hanger. Needs to go before I can start my wing. Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: updates please UNCLASSIFIED Should prep you well. I know where a really pretty one is for sale. $25,000. On 05/14/13, Michael Perez wrote: > > I plan to take all of my training in a Cessna 140. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs From: "Fun2av8" where are folks mounting their ELTs in their Piets? -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400655#400655 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs From: Marcus Zechini Jim, Mine is in center section between wings. Or did you seen when at CJR? Will visit soon. Come to 3VA7 sometime. Zeke On May 14, 2013 7:40 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote: > > where are folks mounting their ELTs in their Piets? > > -------- > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400655#400655 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs From: "Fun2av8" Hi Zeke, will come a visiting just as soon as I get some missing documents replaced for the Piet. -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400657#400657 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup From: "Billy McCaskill" Craig, FWIW, I use ground corncob media with a little bit of Dillon liquid brass polish added in my tumbler. The corncob is a bit more aggressive than the ground walnut hulls. The walnut will provide a higher polish, but will take a good bit longer to do so. The corncob doesn't provide a super high polish, but does a nice job of getting my brass/ other random parts really clean in a reasonable amount of time. I would not recommended Brasso or any other polishing compound that contains ammonia as an ingredient (read the labels carefully), it attacks the zinc in the brass and will make brass brittle. Bad news for cartridge cases as well as critical airplane components. There is no harm in adding a bit of red jeweler's rouge to the media for a higher polish if desired. For more info on the Dillon polish (and vibratory tumblers, media, etc), visit www.dillonprecision.com Tumblers and media are also available from www.midwayusa.com I'm not endorsing either company but I have dealt with both extensively and have always had positive experiences with them. -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400659#400659 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:21 PM PST US From: Craig Aho Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup Thank you Billy for your comments/suggestions. I let my vibrating tumber ru n for the morning hours today and my rifle brass is cleaning up nicely but the turnbuckle barrells are only slightly changed. I will look into the cor ncob media. Thanks again Craig > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup > From: billmz@cox.net > Date: Tue=2C 14 May 2013 19:03:34 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Craig=2C > FWIW=2C I use ground corncob media with a little bit of Dillon liquid bra ss polish added in my tumbler. The corncob is a bit more aggressive than t he ground walnut hulls. The walnut will provide a higher polish=2C but wil l take a good bit longer to do so. The corncob doesn't provide a super hig h polish=2C but does a nice job of getting my brass/ other random parts rea lly clean in a reasonable amount of time. > > I would not recommended Brasso or any other polishing compound that conta ins ammonia as an ingredient (read the labels carefully)=2C it attacks the zinc in the brass and will make brass brittle. Bad news for cartridge case s as well as critical airplane components. There is no harm in adding a bi t of red jeweler's rouge to the media for a higher polish if desired. > > For more info on the Dillon polish (and vibratory tumblers=2C media=2C et c)=2C visit www.dillonprecision.com Tumblers and media are also available from www.midwayusa.com I'm not endorsing either company but I have dealt with both extensively and have always had positive experiences with them. > > -------- > Billy McCaskill > Baker=2C LA > tail section almost done=2C starting on ribs soon > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400659#400659 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work From: "Mark Roberts" You are right in that this group is one of the most considerate and fun bunch to associate with. I make no bones about the fact my planned mods are UNPROVEN and are, at best, a modification to fit my fat and overly large hiney. I have made some educated guesses about stuff, backed by formulas and info i have found in EAA books about aircraft design, so I (read that Me, myself and only myself) am comfortable with the strength and design changes I am making to the plane. I agree with Dick on this: IF it flys better, then I can say they were "Improvements". If not, then I hope they are not "degradations" and can still be flown at least as well as the original Piet. So, I appreciate this group more than ever, as I trudge the road of happy building. Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400661#400661 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:04 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work With the weight and balance issues involved I think I'd be more worried about all that rapidly spining metal in the three stage blower being in such close proximity to the family jewels! :-) Of course folks might wonder what the silly grin was all about. Clif Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, joystick in one hand, beer in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" > > > Ha!! > That and the re-worked Rolls Royce Merlin I have the core for... > > Crud, did I just let that slip? Anyone used an old Rolls Royce 12 cylinder > on one of these before? 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