Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Thu 05/16/13


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 05:07 AM - Welfare Check (AircamperN11MS)
     2. 05:15 AM - Re: My Days Work (Bill Church)
     3. 05:40 AM - Re: My Days Work (jarheadpilot82)
     4. 06:05 AM - Re: determining Vne (Fun2av8)
     5. 07:07 AM - Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Fun2av8)
     6. 07:47 AM - Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (AircamperN11MS)
     7. 08:08 AM - Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Fun2av8)
     8. 08:10 AM - Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (AircamperN11MS)
     9. 09:07 AM - Re: My Days Work (Mark Roberts)
    10. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: My Days Work (Dick N)
    11. 09:41 AM - Lambert 90 Radial Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    12. 10:34 AM - Cloth tape on wood landing gear (cjborsuk)
    13. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: My Days Work  (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
    14. 01:32 PM - Merlins X 6 (Gerry Holland)
    15. 01:52 PM - Re: My Days Work (Bill Church)
    16. 04:19 PM - Re: Merlins X 6 (tools)
    17. 04:27 PM - Re: Cloth tape on wood landing gear (tools)
    18. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: My Days Work (Ryan M)
    19. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: Merlins X 6 (Charles Burkholder)
    20. 08:42 PM - Re: Merlins X 6 (Bill Church)
    21. 09:32 PM - The Move to Beaumont Tx... (Mark Roberts)
    22. 11:08 PM - Re: Re: Merlins X 6 (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:07:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Welfare Check
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Hey pieters, Just wanted to check in with all of our Texas guys and hope they are all OK. Please check in with the group. Does anyone need anything? Scott Liefeld -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400735#400735


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    Time: 05:15:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: My Days Work
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Before you get too far into the details of how to mount a Merlin onto your Piet, you probably should be aware of the cost to overhaul. Wow: http://www.eaa.org/bitsandpieces/articles/2013-05_lanc-appeal-engine-overhaul-needed.asp > With the weight and balance issues involved I think > I'd be more worried about all that rapidly spining > metal in the three stage blower being in such close > proximity to the family jewels! > > Of course folks might wonder what the silly grin > was all about. > > Clif > > > Quote: > > > > Ha!! > > That and the re-worked Rolls Royce Merlin I have the core for... > > Quote: > > Crud, did I just let that slip? Anyone used an old Rolls Royce 12 cylinder > on one of these before? Any idea on the tanks size and placement? > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400736#400736


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    Time: 05:40:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: My Days Work
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    Oscar, Jake Schultz knows much more about this than I do so, hopefully he wil chime in. Attached is a photo of a Pietenpol with the Velie radial. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400739#400739 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_312.jpg


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    Time: 06:05:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: determining Vne
    From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga@fun2av8.com>
    (1) I am new at this experimental stuff. (2) With the original Piet powered at 65hp - My 100hp O-200 is most likely a bit much for the airframe's original design (3) I am one to error way on the side of caution. (4) I am going to adjust my V-speeds to match the Piet website - I like the idea of being very conservative with respect to pushing structural limits. (5) I am not in a hurry - the journey is the fun part! Low and Slow Rocks! Thanks so much for the info. -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400740#400740


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    Time: 07:07:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
    From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga@fun2av8.com>
    Lesson Learned the Hard Way ..... I am having paperwork issues with Mr. Sam. Thanks so much to the local FSDO - I have recovered some of the missing documents. Still working on issues such as the Phase II signoff which is not in the temporary logs. When the original logs are found, I am sure that the Phase II signoff as well as many other things I need will be in them. Paper can be lost or destroyed. PDFs live for ever. I am scanning every piece of paper associated with Mr. Sam into PDFs. I won't go thru this pain again. -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400743#400743


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    Time: 07:47:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Jim, Perhaps the local FSDO already did this for you. Go to WWW.FAA.gov and order the CD from the FAA that has all paperwork that has ever been created for your airplane. I did it for mine and was very surprised at everything that was on it. Turns out I was missing stuff too and dad and I built the darn thing. The plane has never our family. If I remember correctly, it is only 6 bucks and I received it in less than two weeks. Highly recommended. Happy landings, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400748#400748


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    Time: 08:08:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
    From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga@fun2av8.com>
    I ordered the CD this morning. But, I am still scanning everything to PDF and saving it to a rewrite able DVD. This includes the plans and pictures. -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400749#400749


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    Time: 08:10:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Good news. Hope there is something in there that will help you. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400750#400750


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    Time: 09:07:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: My Days Work
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Very interesting article Bill! Now, for the record, I was kidding about the RR engine in a piet. It would need quite a long motor mount :) I have a good friend that rebuilds those RR engines for the Reno Air Races, and has worked pit crews there as well. Interesting to visit him at the airport shop and see 4-5 or those bad boys sitting around the shop and realize they would be on the nose of the birds next summer. One of those bad boys weighs more than an AUW piet doing a run up at the end of the runway! Anyway, it was fun to see the business end of those P-51's up close and personal. My friend told me he got to ride in a couple of the racers in the back seat a couple of times and he thought about having the smile tattooed on his face! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400752#400752


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    Time: 09:29:23 AM PST US
    From: "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: My Days Work
    The only radials that I know of were Lowell Franks and the way Lowell tells the story is, a guy offered him so much money for that engine that he unbolted it and put in the guys trunk before the guy had a chance to think about it. Then there was this Velie which is posed on another post. Also most of you all remember the fundraiser from a couple of years ago for the Jr. H.S. girls who were restoring a Pietenpol, it was built in the nineteen 1930's called the Compton Piet. That is hanging in the museum at Roundup, MT. Any way that Piet had a radial back when it was new. Then there is the west coast Piet which I have been hearing about but havent seen yet. There are several other Piets getting a Rotec around the world But I cant talk about them Then there is mine, if you look mine up up on the FAA web site I am listed having a Pietenpol Agineircamper with a P&W R-2800 engine I assure all of you I have a simple Rotec R-2800 with a 72x55 prop. Nothing more than that. Simple answer to the question is yes, Bernard Pietenpol was very aware of the radial engine but that isnt where his head was at he simply wanted to build a decent plane that the common man could fly with an automobile engine and parts from the hardware or farm equipment store. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work > > So, Dick's work is conservative. He installed a Rotec radial on his > beautiful "woody Piet", but Rotec lists the dry weight at about 224 lbs. > and if the Ford engine weighs 244, he really didn't affect the W&B very > much. > > The Rotec is rated at about 110 HP at 2400 propeller RPM, so that's > roughly more than twice the power of the Ford inline four. Better climb. > > I don't know if Mr. Pietenpol ever flew a version of his Air Camper with a > radial. Does anyone know? > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400718#400718 > > >


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    Time: 09:41:17 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Lambert 90 Radial Pietenpol
    Frank Pavliga here in Ohio had a Lambert radial on his Piet for a number of years. (see him hand prop it 36 seconds into this video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpumos7ywgM Mike C.


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    Time: 10:34:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Cloth tape on wood landing gear
    From: "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk@yahoo.com>
    On the plans it states "wrap struts with cloth tape and dope 4 coats". What cloth tape has been used? What is being used in place of dope? Thanks, Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400768#400768


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    Time: 12:26:43 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: My Days Work
    UNCLASSIFIED > Then there is mine, if you look mine up up on the FAA web site I am listed having a Pietenpol Agineircamper with a P&W R-2800 engine I assure all of you I have a simple Rotec R-2800 with a 72x55 prop. Nothing more than that. Be careful they may tax you based on having such an expensive 2800 engine! what must it cost to overhaul? Blue Skies, STeve D UNCLASSIFIED


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    Time: 01:32:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Merlins X 6
    From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
    >From UK today. 6 Merlins, 4 on a Lancaster and two Spitfires celebrating the Dam Busters Raid of 70 years ago. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22554314 Regards Gerry


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    Time: 01:52:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: My Days Work
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    I'm sure there have been numerous Piets powered by radials over the years. Back in the early days they were likely more common, since small radials were also more plentiful. Today, aside from the Rotec, pretty much the only small radials (under 100HP) available are all 70+ years old. I recall reading in Chet Peek's book "the Pietenpol Story", about BHP powering at least one Air Camper with a Velie radial. Attached is a clip from a 1993 magazine, of a radial-powered Piet based at Brodhead. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400808#400808 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/nx98wd_704.jpg


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    Time: 04:19:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Merlins X 6
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Can't be a lot of those Lancasters flying around. Don't remember if we were going into London or Paris, but saw one bombing around the skies one day like it was an every day thing... we were stunned! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400812#400812


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    Time: 04:27:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cloth tape on wood landing gear
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Hey Chuck, Seems most likely it would have been cotton and dope... so would imagine that whatever covering system you're using and whatever you're going to paint with would work. Don't know of any cloth wrapped wood gear Piets off the top of my head. Many folks wrap the ends of the struts with heavy twine or something, then just varnish it. Most old timey wood gear planes you see in museums either have some sort of metal cap for the ends of the gear legs, or twine or there I have seen them covered. Alternatively, you could use fiberglass cloth and resin for the same effect (though probably stronger). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400814#400814


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    Time: 05:59:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: My Days Work
    From: Ryan M <Aircamperace@yahoo.com>
    Pg 51 of the builders manual, 8th down the list of the 21 of the 23 original Piets built at Cherry Grove is 12236 a Velie powered Piet, a 5 cyl radial. Also learned that Velie was founded by and named for Willard Velie, a matern al grandson of John Deere. Ryan Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2013, at 12:28 PM, "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote: > > The only radials that I know of were Lowell Franks and the way Lowell tell s the story is, a guy offered him so much money for that engine that he unbo lted it and put in the guys trunk before the guy had a chance to think about it. > Then there was this Velie which is posed on another post. > Also most of you all remember the fundraiser from a couple of years ago fo r the Jr. H.S. girls who were restoring a Pietenpol, it was built in the nin eteen 1930's called the Compton Piet. That is hanging in the museum at Round up, MT. > Any way that Piet had a radial back when it was new. > Then there is the west coast Piet which I have been hearing about but have nt seen yet. > There are several other Piets getting a Rotec around the world But I cant t alk about them > Then there is mine, if you look mine up up on the FAA web site I am listed having a Pietenpol Agineircamper with a P&W R-2800 engine I assure all of y ou I have a simple Rotec R-2800 with a 72x55 prop. Nothing more than that. > Simple answer to the question is yes, Bernard Pietenpol was very aware of t he radial engine but that isnt where his head was at he simply wanted to bu ild a decent plane that the common man could fly with an automobile engine a nd parts from the hardware or farm equipment store. > > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:48 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Days Work > > >> >> So, Dick's work is conservative. He installed a Rotec radial on his beau tiful "woody Piet", but Rotec lists the dry weight at about 224 lbs. and if t he Ford engine weighs 244, he really didn't affect the W&B very much. >> >> The Rotec is rated at about 110 HP at 2400 propeller RPM, so that's rough ly more than twice the power of the Ford inline four. Better climb. >> >> I don't know if Mr. Pietenpol ever flew a version of his Air Camper with a radial. Does anyone know? >> >> -------- >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, OR >> Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; >> A75 power >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400718#400718 > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >


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    Time: 06:37:28 PM PST US
    From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly@abcmailbox.net>
    Subject: Re: Merlins X 6
    There are a total of 2 flying in the world. That would have been london where you saw yours. The other one lives at Hamilton airport in Ontario. CB ----- Original Message ----- From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Merlins X 6 > > Can't be a lot of those Lancasters flying around. Don't remember if we > were going into London or Paris, but saw one bombing around the skies one > day like it was an every day thing... we were stunned! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400812#400812 > > >


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    Time: 08:42:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Merlins X 6
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Seeing (and hearing) a Lancaster fly is like having four Spitfires (or Mustangs, or Hurricanes) flying in formation. For a big old bomber, it can really perform, capable of reaching speeds of almost 300 mph. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400825#400825


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    Time: 09:32:18 PM PST US
    Subject: The Move to Beaumont Tx...
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Well Pieters... After many long years of pining for Texas, I am moving on or around July 1st to Beaumont Tx to take over the 2 county area (Jefferson and Orange Counties) for the Baton Rouge Dale Carnegie Training organization as the partner in the business there. Can you believe my biggest desire/concern about the whole thing is that I find a rental property there that is big enough to build my Piet...? I have such a GREAT setup here: 3 acres and a finished Barn that is big enough to build the plane with wings ON..,. So, now I am thinking of how to move a fuse built ready for gear. I figure wrapping it in a tarp, lots of duct tape and fit it on the ceiling ties of a 26' UHaul. I saw our good friend and feller Pieter Oscar Zuniga towing it on a trailer, but I gotta do this in one shot. So, I am towing the car behind the UHaul, towing my CAR (now guys, THERE is where the priorities are shown!) and Jody (the goddess of the household) towing a travel trailer to live in on the way... We plan to sell much of the OLD furniture and keep much of my old tools (again, see a pattern?). I plan to attend the west coast Piet gathering in June, but then it's CYA California... wish the best to my brothers in CA, but I am DONE with this state. so, if anyone has moved a Piet project, I'm open for advice! Perhaps I will now be able to one day fly to Brodhead... Will have to look at a chart. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400826#400826


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    Time: 11:08:26 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Merlins X 6
    Ah, yes. Pat Bay Airport, Now officially Victoria International. Late 1950's. I would ride my bike out to the big curve in the road off the end of 03. The one with the traffic lights that went red when a plane was coming in. Sitting right in the middle as the local squadron practiced in their Lancs. A few of them flew these wonderful things in the war but many had been in Halifax's. At this time these guys weren't so respectful of these "old planes". They wanted newer, more modern stuff. So there I'd be, drinking in the wonderful sound, sight and smell as one would pass low over my head on final and shortly meet the runway. THE BOYS WERE NOT GENTLE!! They banged them down hard! I mean hard enough to bounce ten or more feet in the air and more than once, every time! Same with the Canso's ( PBY ) in the bay. If anyone did that now, of course, they'd be summarily shot! Clif Ah, the good old days > <billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Seeing (and hearing) a Lancaster fly is like having four Spitfires (or > Mustangs, or Hurricanes) flying in formation. For a big old bomber, it > can really perform, capable of reaching speeds of almost 300 mph. >




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