---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/18/13: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:33 AM - Re: Cloth tape on wood landing gear (tools) 2. 10:55 AM - How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage (Mark Roberts) 3. 11:02 AM - Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage (Craig Aho) 4. 11:28 AM - Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garag (tools) 5. 11:36 AM - Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garag (jarheadpilot82) 6. 03:39 PM - A very Generous Pietenpoller (Scott Knowlton) 7. 03:44 PM - Re: The Move to Beaumont Tx... (caldwrl) 8. 03:49 PM - Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage (C N Campbell) 9. 04:03 PM - Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage (Gary Boothe) 10. 05:15 PM - Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage (John Hofmann) 11. 05:46 PM - Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage (Jim Boyer) 12. 07:56 PM - Re: The Move to Beaumont Tx... (Mark Roberts) 13. 07:58 PM - Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage (Clif Dawson) 14. 08:02 PM - Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garag (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cloth tape on wood landing gear From: "tools" I'll second the notion that the "improved" gear is lighter, have read that in old newsletters or somewhere, but I don't know for sure. Which one is easier to build it really more of a matter of which medium you're more comfortable with. The wood gear doesn't require any welding... I know the plans do show the fuse fittings with a little weld on them, but 2RN was built without welding them at all and they've had no problems because of it. The wood gear does have some whacky angles and will require dimensioning lumber, and possibly gluing up, a fair amount of shaping it, etc. Although I'd be comfortable now welding up gear, I sure wasn't when I started down this path which made the gear choice, not really a choice at all. Also, I just like the look of the Jenny gear. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400908#400908 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage From: "Mark Roberts" I admit: I've been very spoiled. I have been building my Piet in a large barn. But, with the impending move to Beaumont, I am not finding houses to rent with this same set up. In fact, I am very surprised to see so many houses there with no garage, much less a barn! So, I am wondering what you build in? I am assuming many have been built in a garage. The local airport has T hangers and rents them for 295 per month. But, I doubt that's gonna work into the budget. T Rather spend that on plane parts! Still hoping for a large workshop, but that might be 2 years down the road... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400914#400914 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:06 AM PST US From: Craig Aho Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage Hello Mark=2C I have for years been limited to a one car garage and it is p retty full of airplane=2C motorcyles an other projects and parts. I do have another bedroom I also use for a workshop. Its always a challenge but can be done. Craig > Subject: Pietenpol-List: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage > From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com > Date: Sat=2C 18 May 2013 10:54:57 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > om> > > I admit: I've been very spoiled. I have been building my Piet in a large barn. But=2C with the impending move to Beaumont=2C I am not finding houses to rent with this same set up. In fact=2C I am very surprised to see so ma ny houses there with no garage=2C much less a barn! > > So=2C I am wondering what you build in? I am assuming many have been buil t in a garage. The local airport has T hangers and rents them for 295 per m onth. But=2C I doubt that's gonna work into the budget. T > Rather spend that on plane parts! > > Still hoping for a large workshop=2C but that might be 2 years down the r oad... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400914#400914 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garag From: "tools" Lots of variables here and generally speaking, it just requires some thought... Dad got his Hatz onto the gear and the wing panels made in a two car tandem garage, with a little 10 x 10 workshop area in the basement... Got a friend who's building his Hatz in his living room... I rebuilt my fuselage in a two car tandem garage. Not perfectly parallel, but to give an idea of what I mean by thought, or thinking out of the box, at the Naval Academy I built my model airplanes on my bulletin board, which we were required to have. And it was the only thing I had I could stick pins in. It JUST met the requirements of what we were allowed to have on it... A vertical "work bench" has the benefit of NEVER being over cluttered! Of course there's the other tangent, all projects beget more projects. Consider building a replica of Bernie's hangar and building your plane in that. It's a pretty efficient little structure, easily studied at Oshkosh. Or more mundanely building a shop where you find a suitable house and lot. Like renting it takes money away from the project, but adds value to the property done correctly, hopefully enough to recoup materials at least. These days this isn't a given for sure. My entire hangar project (40 x 72) is being built from reclaimed materials given to me for the asking. The poles from the local electric company for free. The trusses and tin from someone who was otherwise going to have to pay someone to remove a chicken house from his property. Could make a shop structure "knock a part" and take it with you in a couple years. I'm not sure how far along you are in your project, but LOTS can be done in very small spaces. Perhaps you could split a hangar with another builder or two who's in the same situation, contact local EAA chapter perhaps. Have the added benefit of tool sharing (which can be good, or bad...). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400917#400917 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garag From: "jarheadpilot82" Mark, Just a thought. Put an ad in the Beaumont Craigslist that you are looking for garage/workshop/warehouse space to rent. You might be surprised at what pops up. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400918#400918 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:18 PM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Pietenpol-List: A very Generous Pietenpoller Some of you on the list might remember Brian Kenney from Broadhead several years ago. Brian built C-FAUK and has been flying her for 26 years. This morning at our annual fly-in breakfast I was chatting with Brian and hinting around that a ride in his Piet would be great motivation for me and the continuation of my build. Brian's trust and generosity were both evident when he simply suggested I climb in to his beautiful machine and take it around the pea-patch solo. I provide tailwheel training on Cubs and Champs and have owned a Stinson for several years but the exhilaration and visceral experience of taxiing out in an open cockpit machine and seeing the big motorcycle wheels roll over the grass was incredible. The little 65 horsepower Continental was ample power to get the tail up quick on take off and establish a healthy climb. I did some gentle and medium turns on the downwind and found the plane delightfully balanced and rudder friendly. Seeing the fields below me framed in wing struts, drag cables and wooden landing gear was very inspiring. There was a quartering crosswind blowing from the left but a little crab and 70 mph felt good and the landing was quite tame and comfortable. I taxied back to the flight line and shut down with a feeling of elation and an amazing realization that the plane I am building is exactly the kind of plane I want to fly. I'm very stoked to finish my build and now have a true understanding of what awaits me and the end of the construction journey. Brian is representative of the generosity and engagement of this great group. When I hopped (okay wriggled) out of the airplane with this stupid grin I couldn't wipe off my face I immediately exclaimed to Brian that his airplane was an absolute blast to fly. He smiled and told me that if more pilots tried flying a Piet there would be plenty more examples of the airplane dotting the sky. I'm sure every Piet builder can relay a story of the "aha" moment when they realized why they are working through the multitude of little projects that accumulate into the final completion of a Pietenpol. Being able to visualize the reward at the end of the build is an incredible motivator. I can say that today was my "aha" day. I now know why the fliers on this list keep on flying their Peitenpols and can say I'm grateful for their continued feedback. Scott Knowlton Burlington ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Move to Beaumont Tx... From: "caldwrl" Just thought I would throw my name in, although East Texas is sorta the stepchild and that's okay with us. You'll find me building at 3F9 about midway between Dallas and Shreveport. I'll mention that Mark McKeller up near Mt. Pleasant is now resuming his build. He sold me the Corvair I now have on my Piet, so he will be starting fresh on another one. There may be a few of us ready to wing our way to Brodhead in 2014... just hopin'. So Mark, welcome to the great stare of Texas... fast becoming a major Piet sanctuary. -------- Robert Caldwell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400928#400928 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:12 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage Mark, I started out in a "basement" room about 16 X 16. When I outgrew that I moved the automobile out into the driveway and brought the project into our 20 X 20 2-car garage. When checking for squareness of the wing center section I moved the car into the street and used the garage and part of the driveway to temporarily put the 3 wing sections together. When I get ready to completely assemble the uncovered airplane to make sure it all goes together properly I'll have to wait for a few days of good weather and use the driveway to assemble everything. I even heard of one builder building a Piet in a 1-car garage. Don't believe I would want to do that. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 1:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage > > > I admit: I've been very spoiled. I have been building my Piet in a large > barn. But, with the impending move to Beaumont, I am not finding houses to > rent with this same set up. In fact, I am very surprised to see so many > houses there with no garage, much less a barn! > > So, I am wondering what you build in? I am assuming many have been built > in a garage. The local airport has T hangers and rents them for 295 per > month. But, I doubt that's gonna work into the budget. T > Rather spend that on plane parts! > > Still hoping for a large workshop, but that might be 2 years down the > road... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400914#400914 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:57 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage Built mine in a 2-car, in which my wife's car inhabited its 1/2 during the week days. First homebuilt I recall seeing was when I was 16...a Dyke Delta being built in 1-car garage! Then, there was a guy in Australia building a 601 in a cargo container! Moving's a lot of work, but it can be fun when it's for the right reason....hope all works out well for you... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage --> I admit: I've been very spoiled. I have been building my Piet in a large barn. But, with the impending move to Beaumont, I am not finding houses to rent with this same set up. In fact, I am very surprised to see so many houses there with no garage, much less a barn! So, I am wondering what you build in? I am assuming many have been built in a garage. The local airport has T hangers and rents them for 295 per month. But, I doubt that's gonna work into the budget. T Rather spend that on plane parts! Still hoping for a large workshop, but that might be 2 years down the road... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400914#400914 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:54 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage I restored an L-2 in one bay of a two-car garage. Wings make a great conversation piece in a little-used formal dining room. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On May 18, 2013, at 12:54 PM, "Mark Roberts" wrote: > > I admit: I've been very spoiled. I have been building my Piet in a large barn. But, with the impending move to Beaumont, I am not finding houses to rent with this same set up. In fact, I am very surprised to see so many houses there with no garage, much less a barn! > > So, I am wondering what you build in? I am assuming many have been built in a garage. The local airport has T hangers and rents them for 295 per month. But, I doubt that's gonna work into the budget. T > Rather spend that on plane parts! > > Still hoping for a large workshop, but that might be 2 years down the road... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400914#400914 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:58 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage Hi Mark, I am buildi ng in a two car garage and most of the time its plenty of room. Right now I am working on wings and it is getting a little on the crowded side now. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Move to Beaumont Tx... From: "Mark Roberts" Thanks! We are really looking forward to being Texans. I am sure this is going to put me several months behind in finishing the build, but well worth it. I hope to make that trip to Brodhead one day with my piet! Hope to met up with y'all when we settle in. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400938#400938 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:26 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garage Although I have a dedicated two car garage workshop it is not clear space. I have an ancient 72 drawer library file cabinet which is topped with a left handed cabinetry workbench on one side, radial arm saw 8' bench, band saw, shop vac system in the middle, 14' x 4' low building bench on other side. That's just the basics so I was able to build tail, ribs, fuselage sides and some other stuff inside. As soon as the fuse bits became a real box there was no room to maneuver so the main build area is out in the backyard under a homemade 12X22' canopy. Now that I'm getting close to actually building the wing panels there's going to be some creative fuselage moving soon. So all is not lost because there's no garage. A little creative will and maybe a little"I don't care what the neighbours think." mind bending can go a long way. If you do decide to make a canopy use silver tarps. They'll last a lot longer. The canopy pics show the evolution from the first simple cover to the final, tall, snow resistant one tall enough to clear the center section and rudder. I bought the fittings from a Harbour Frieght Canadian equivalent. They fit 1" emt tubing. The neighbours love having this old eccentric dude workin' away on an old timey airplane. I don't know how they'll cope when it's gone. Poor things! Clif > > I am very surprised to see so many houses there with no garage, much less a barn! > > So, I am wondering what you build in? > Rather spend that on plane parts! > > Still hoping for a large workshop, but that might be 2 years down the > road... ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many of you are building/have built in your 2 car garag From: "Mark Roberts" It seemed like such a silly question to ask, but seriously, I have been spoiled by all the room in my barn. So, I'm trying to imagine what I am going to do to adjust. Finding another place like I have now is not gonna be easy. As always, this group is a true blessing of help! 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