---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/26/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:48 AM - Re: jury struts (Clif Dawson) 2. 05:25 AM - insurance when hopping rides (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 07:10 AM - Re: insurance when hopping rides (tools) 4. 07:58 AM - Jury struts... (G Hansen) 5. 02:18 PM - Re: insurance when hopping rides (Don Emch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:13 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: jury struts Yes, from the center. As per chuck's message relating to Douwe's 6" offset. This is obviously good. It certainly hasn't fallen apart. :-) I think a foot is a bit much but there are successful Piets with what appear to be that much. You could offset either up or down for effect but up will make for shorter vertical arms, saving a few ounces. :-). I think it looks better too. Clif Cliff, to clarify, you mean offset from the center of the strut, correct? Also could you specify how far, an inch, foot? Is it best to offset up or down the strut? Thanks! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:34 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: insurance when hopping rides Hey all, How does liability work when "hopping" rides, like at Brodhead? What type of insurance covers this, or does it? Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: insurance when hopping rides From: "tools" Do you mean if you're flying someone else's plane? In the case of what I HAD (just got a note saying they're not covering planes any more so I'll have to change companies...), there was a clause that anyone else could fly my plane and be covered if they had a tail wheel endorsement, 300 hrs total, I felt they were qualified and some 10 hours in a Piet. If you just mean giving rides, as along as it's "not for hire", or "giving instruction", it was no big deal. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401381#401381 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:37 AM PST US From: "G Hansen" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jury struts... When I built my Piet many years back I used Aeronca Champion front strut material for the front struts. The welded-in small bushing for the jury strut attachment wound up a few inches outboard of center as a matter of course, and this was not considered a problem. Salvaged rear Taylorcraft struts became my rear struts and small bushings were welded in to match those on the front struts. I had always intended to use jury struts because I had flown a friend=99s Piet that didn=99t have them. His struts seemed to have a definite harmonic vibration related to engine rpm (the propeller was not out of balance or track) and, from an engineering standpoint, jury struts dramatically increase the resistance to buckling in compression. The positioning of my jury struts off center was a happy coincidence in that it established different harmonic modes over the strut length. This was not realised at the time, but sometimes good things just happen. Regardless of what some may say, it is prudent to use jury struts on a high wing airplane, unless the lift struts are of relatively =9Cfat=9D cross section (i.e. Luscombe (metal wing), Cessnas, etc.). Most high wing light planes over the years have them because the lift struts are relatively slim thin-wall streamline tubing, susceptible to buckling under compression loads (negative g in flight or heavy snow loads, etc.). Cheers, Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: insurance when hopping rides From: "Don Emch" Douwe, I have insurance through SAU. They specialize in homebuilts among other unique flying machines. I have an included amount for passenger liability. With lawsuits the way they are now though it probably is not possible to carry "enough" insurance. So you just get the amount named in your policy for passengers then go have fun and don't worry about it! At least that's my Risk Management strategy. If I couldn't carry passengers I wouldn't fly. :-) Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401391#401391 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.