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1. 03:50 AM - Re: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale? (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:43 AM - Brodhead camping (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 (Amsafetyc)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 (Dan Yocum)
5. 06:05 AM - Re: Brodhead camping (Bill Church)
6. 06:42 AM - Re: fuel flow (Rick Schreiber)
7. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead camping (Jack)
8. 07:22 AM - Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 (Baldeagle)
9. 07:56 AM - Re: fuel flow (Ken Bickers)
10. 08:15 AM - Re: fuel flow (Gary Boothe)
11. 09:17 AM - what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
12. 09:27 AM - Gas tank strap padding (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
13. 09:33 AM - Re: what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in (Gary Boothe)
14. 09:45 AM - Re: Gas tank strap padding (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
15. 10:05 AM - Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) (Michael Perez)
16. 10:09 AM - Re: fuel flow (Michael Perez)
17. 10:19 AM - Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) (John Hofmann)
18. 10:30 AM - Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) (tools)
19. 10:42 AM - Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) (Scott Knowlton)
20. 10:44 AM - Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
21. 10:44 AM - Re: Gas tank strap padding (taildrags)
22. 10:45 AM - Re: Gas tank strap padding (taildrags)
23. 10:50 AM - Re: what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in (Catdesigns)
24. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 (Dan Yocum)
25. 02:04 PM - Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil (Allan Macklem)
26. 02:04 PM - Re: fuel flow (Rick)
27. 02:19 PM - Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) (C N Campbell)
28. 02:26 PM - Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil (C N Campbell)
29. 02:27 PM - Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil (C N Campbell)
30. 02:53 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Scott Liefeld)
31. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank strap padding (Ken Bickers)
32. 03:08 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Michael Groah)
33. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Gas tank strap padding (Ken Bickers)
34. 03:11 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Gary Boothe)
35. 03:16 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Patrick Panzera)
36. 03:32 PM - Re: fuel flow (Michael Perez)
37. 03:44 PM - Alternative Engine Round up (Oscar Zuniga)
38. 03:48 PM - Center section rear cutout. (Charles Burkholder)
39. 04:07 PM - Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil (Michael Perez)
40. 04:07 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Scott Liefeld)
41. 04:13 PM - Re: Center section rear cutout. (Rick)
42. 04:17 PM - Re: Center section rear cutout. (Michael Perez)
43. 04:24 PM - Re: Center section rear cutout. (nightmare)
44. 04:33 PM - Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil (nightmare)
45. 04:54 PM - Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil (nightmare)
46. 04:57 PM - Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil (markmckellar@reagan.com)
47. 05:08 PM - Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil (jarheadpilot82)
48. 07:18 PM - Fuel tank pictures (Rick Schreiber)
49. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Jim Boyer)
50. 09:52 PM - Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil (Mark Roberts)
51. 09:53 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Mark Roberts)
52. 10:00 PM - Re: Alternative Engine Round up (Mark Roberts)
53. 10:12 PM - Re: Center section rear cutout. (Mark Roberts)
54. 10:52 PM - Re: what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in (Mark Roberts)
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| Subject: | Re: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale? |
Please send it to 265 Marvin Ln., Puryear, TN 38251. Thanks!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Rhoads <prhoads61@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale
?
Should have been "DAN", where do I send the scale? Brain fart..............
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Sca
le?
Larry,
I still haven't heard from you on where to send the scale.
Perry Rhoads
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish S
cale?
Holy Cow Larry, I just noticed the attached pic of your plane Gorgeous!
! You should be very proud!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: l.morlock <l.morlock@att.net>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 8:28 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish S
cale?
Dan, when you are finished with the "special test" I'm still interested
in getting the Official Scale. I'm almost ready for the D.A.R.
Larry Morlock
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Hi Dan,
I'm the guilty party! I was to ship it to the next user awhile back.
Then I was out of town and completely forgot about it.
Tell me where it needs to go and I'll get it shipped.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX=84=A2 4G on AT&T
-----Original message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 01:16:40 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Hello Good People,
I kind of lost track of the whereabouts of the Official Scale. I wo
uld like to get ahold of it for a special test. Could the present p
ossessor please chime in?
Thanks,
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Brodhead camping |
Camping is encouraged at Brodhead with a few "rules". Remember to pay your
camping "donation" at the little table under the covered tables, it's like
five bucks or so and you get a souvenir pin and help their efforts.
Campers, tents etc in areas on the east wide of the closed runway which is
the area next to the entrance road where all the hangars are. People camp
along the treeline on the west side of the closed runway but it is
designated ONLY for tent camping and last year they wouldn't even let a
vehicle drive over there, you had to carry all your stuff across.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 |
Don't know about yours but I'm pulling mine on to the field again
John
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On May 30, 2013, at 10:05 PM, "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 |
RVs and large campers are restricted to the east side of the field. I think only
tents are allowed on the west side but maybe I've seen pop-ups over there.
Ah, yes - Gary Bell's itty-bitty one-person camper has been allowed.
I think the issues are 2 fold - damage to the field by numbnuts who drive straight
across the closed runways instead of driving around the south end of the field
and, secondly, generator noise. I, for one, much prefer to listen to the
constant drone of the gas powered water pump driving the field irrigator at the
north end of the airport.
PM - glad to hear you'll be draggin' your wagon to Brodhead!
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
On May 31, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead camping |
As Douwe said, camping at Brodhead is operated on a donation basis. However, I
would suggest that the donation be a little more generous than five bucks. That
would barely cover the cost of the souvenir pin, let alone renting the porta-potties
and providing hot water for showers. I think twenty per person might
be a better starting point (feel free to go up from there). Typical fees at
a campground run at least 20 dollars a night, so it's still a bargain.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401659#401659
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On 5/30/2013 11:13 AM, C N Campbell wrote:
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> Rick, no body to the message. C
I'll try this again......
I rolled out the Piet Wednesday for the first fueling. I wanted to check
fuel flow, primer function and if I had any leaks. I have a 19 gal nose
tank and a Stromberg NAS3B carb. Initially I added 1/2 gal of fuel and
allowed it to drain completely at a angle of attack of about 20 deg.
When I checked for the remaining unusable fuel it was only about 4 oz!
Next I added the 1/2 gallon back in and checked for fuel flow. With my
Corvair engine the FARs say I should have a fuel flow at the carb of at
least 9 gph, if the Corvair burns 6 gph. What I was able to measure was
a fuel flow of 22.5 gph. The primer worked fine and there were no leaks.
As soon as the prop comes in I will be ready for first engine start.
Rick Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead camping |
That's what I do Bill.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On May 31, 2013, at 8:04 AM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
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> As Douwe said, camping at Brodhead is operated on a donation basis. However,
I would suggest that the donation be a little more generous than five bucks.
That would barely cover the cost of the souvenir pin, let alone renting the porta-potties
and providing hot water for showers. I think twenty per person might
be a better starting point (feel free to go up from there). Typical fees
at a campground run at least 20 dollars a night, so it's still a bargain.
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| Subject: | Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 |
Ummmm, check the thread title.... and first post........
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Rick, sounds great. Congratulations on your progress. Ken
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Rick Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>wrote:
> On 5/30/2013 11:13 AM, C N Campbell wrote:
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>> cncampbell@windstream.net>
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>> Rick, no body to the message. C
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> I'll try this again......
>
> I rolled out the Piet Wednesday for the first fueling. I wanted to check
> fuel flow, primer function and if I had any leaks. I have a 19 gal nose
> tank and a Stromberg NAS3B carb. Initially I added 1/2 gal of fuel and
> allowed it to drain completely at a angle of attack of about 20 deg. When I
> checked for the remaining unusable fuel it was only about 4 oz! Next I
> added the 1/2 gallon back in and checked for fuel flow. With my Corvair
> engine the FARs say I should have a fuel flow at the carb of at least 9
> gph, if the Corvair burns 6 gph. What I was able to measure was a fuel flow
> of 22.5 gph. The primer worked fine and there were no leaks. As soon as the
> prop comes in I will be ready for first engine start.
>
> Rick Schreiber
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Lookin' good, Rick!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Schreiber
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel flow
On 5/30/2013 11:13 AM, C N Campbell wrote:
> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
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> Rick, no body to the message. C
I'll try this again......
I rolled out the Piet Wednesday for the first fueling. I wanted to check
fuel flow, primer function and if I had any leaks. I have a 19 gal nose tank
and a Stromberg NAS3B carb. Initially I added 1/2 gal of fuel and allowed it
to drain completely at a angle of attack of about 20 deg.
When I checked for the remaining unusable fuel it was only about 4 oz!
Next I added the 1/2 gallon back in and checked for fuel flow. With my
Corvair engine the FARs say I should have a fuel flow at the carb of at
least 9 gph, if the Corvair burns 6 gph. What I was able to measure was a
fuel flow of 22.5 gph. The primer worked fine and there were no leaks.
As soon as the prop comes in I will be ready for first engine start.
Rick Schreiber
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| Subject: | what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in |
Hope you all have a great time this weekend at the West Coast Piet gatherin
g at his gorgeous airport!
Frazier Lake Airport just north of Hollister, CA. Photo by Tom Reeves.
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| Subject: | Gas tank strap padding |
UNCLASSIFIED
Now for my questions on Fuel tank straps.
I am installing the front fuel tank. The straps are ready but I need to put something
onto the aluminum straps that will hold my front tank for vibration. IE
lining the straps with a rubber strap.
I am currently doing a test on some foam and rubber that I have on hand. They I
have used some Neoprene type rubber in other gas tank repairs. Perhaps McMaster-Carr.
The straps will not set in gas, but gas will at some point be spilled on them.
One similar situation is on the straps that hold my oil tank/cooler in my old Bonanza
(it is a dry sump with an external oil tank.) One current Bonanza guru
uses a heat shrink wrap
over the foam rubber since the origional is no longer available.
Any Ideas from the Peanut gallery? What have you used.
BTW The oil cooler/tank on my 1948 Vtail is an elegantly simple solution. The oil
is pumped up to the tank from the engine and dumped on top of the side of a
bundle of 50 or so "straws" inside the tank. The straws are on 1/2 of the tank,
open ended to the outside and oriented so that the open ends face into and
away from the airflow in the engine compartment. Cooling air blows through the
straws as the hot oil flows around the straws.
Cool Oil is too thick to flow between the straws. This cool oil overflows a "dam"
and flows to the side of the tank without the straws and is dumped into the
bottom of the tank and is sent back to the engine. As it warms up, it flows through
the straws more until it is thin and all flows through the cooling straws.
Very simple, no moving parts, valves, or anything mechanical to break.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in |
At least there are no trees to crash into!
Sent from my iPhone
On May 31, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, L
LC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hope you all have a great time this weekend at the West Coast Piet gatheri
ng at his gorgeous airport!
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> Frazier Lake Airport just north of Hollister, CA. Photo by Tom Reeves.
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank strap padding |
UNCLASSIFIED
One more detail. The Aux tank, Top wing, has a felt padding.
Steve
On 05/31/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote:
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> UNCLASSIFIED
> Now for my questions on Fuel tank straps.
>
> I am installing the front fuel tank. The straps are ready but I need to put something
onto the aluminum straps that will hold my front tank for vibration.
IE lining the straps with a rubber strap.
>
> I am currently doing a test on some foam and rubber that I have on hand. They
I have used some Neoprene type rubber in other gas tank repairs. Perhaps McMaster-Carr.
>
> The straps will not set in gas, but gas will at some point be spilled on them.
> One similar situation is on the straps that hold my oil tank/cooler in my old
Bonanza (it is a dry sump with an external oil tank.) One current Bonanza guru
uses a heat shrink wrap
> over the foam rubber since the origional is no longer available.
>
> Any Ideas from the Peanut gallery? What have you used.
>
> BTW The oil cooler/tank on my 1948 Vtail is an elegantly simple solution. The
oil is pumped up to the tank from the engine and dumped on top of the side of
a bundle of 50 or so "straws" inside the tank. The straws are on 1/2 of the tank,
open ended to the outside and oriented so that the open ends face into and
away from the airflow in the engine compartment. Cooling air blows through the
straws as the hot oil flows around the straws.
>
> Cool Oil is too thick to flow between the straws. This cool oil overflows a "dam"
and flows to the side of the tank without the straws and is dumped into the
bottom of the tank and is sent back to the engine. As it warms up, it flows
through the straws more until it is thin and all flows through the cooling straws.
>
> Very simple, no moving parts, valves, or anything mechanical to break.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
Speaking of building a second plane, anyone know of a 4 place home-built? I
know the Cozy is one, but I would be more interested in wood, maybe fabric
, etc.- No plans at the moment to build a second plane, but perhaps in th
e future I will either be building...or buying another.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
No problem Oscar. Its a small enough group as it is, cant imagine many peop
le (especially married ones) that have been able to build more than one. I
love the build process and could definitely imagine a second plane. Not sur
e if my marriage would survive it though.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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Rick, would you mind sharing some pictures of your fuel tank? It sounds like it
functions very nice.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
If you want a good plane with traditional building materials as well as
being plans-built, I would look at the Bearhawk. Bob Barrows has done a
nice job there.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On May 31, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
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> Speaking of building a second plane, anyone know of a 4 place
home-built? I know the Cozy is one, but I would be more interested in
wood, maybe fabric, etc. No plans at the moment to build a second
plane, but perhaps in the future I will either be building...or buying
another.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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>
> No problem Oscar. Its a small enough group as it is, cant imagine many
people (especially married ones) that have been able to build more than
one. I love the build process and could definitely imagine a second
plane. Not sure if my marriage would survive it though.
>
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> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
I'd second the Bearhawk. My dad started one, but bailed. Just a nice looking
plane, nice features, good numbers.
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| Subject: | Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
Micheal, if you want to stay all wood the Miranda is a great example of a four
seat airplane with a good track record. You can find it and the plans on the
Falconar website - Chris Falconar same guy who invented and sells Hipec fabric.
Scott Knowlton
Burlington ON
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List)
Speaking of building a second plane, anyone know of a 4 place home-built? I know
the Cozy is one, but I would be more interested in wood, maybe fabric, etc.
No plans at the moment to build a second plane, but perhaps in the future I will
either be building...or buying another.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
No problem Oscar. Its a small enough group as it is, cant imagine many people (especially
married ones) that have been able to build more than one. I love the
build process and could definitely imagine a second plane. Not sure if my marriage
would survive it though.
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Started 8-3-12
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UNCLASSIFIED
The Falco is pretty, but has a very long build time.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 05/31/13, Michael Perez wrote:
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> Speaking of building a second plane, anyone know of a 4 place home-built? I know
the Cozy is one, but I would be more interested in wood, maybe fabric, etc.
No plans at the moment to build a second plane, but perhaps in the future I
will either be building...or buying another.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
> >
> > No problem Oscar. Its a small enough group as it is, cant imagine many people
(especially married ones) that have been able to build more than one. I love
the build process and could definitely imagine a second plane. Not sure if my
marriage would survive it though.
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> > Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank strap padding |
Steve: the tank straps on Scout are padded with felt, maybe 1/4" thick. Not sure
where Corky got it. The felt is tacked/glued onto the metal straps to keep
it in place. You can see it in the second picture up from the bottom, here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/incident.html
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401682#401682
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank strap padding |
Oops... third picture from the bottom, not second picture.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401685#401685
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| Subject: | Re: what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in |
It even has a pond if Gary's wheels happen to fall off for some unknown reason..
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401688#401688
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| Subject: | Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 |
Oh, bugger. Saw PMDanger reply, got as far as "Brodhead" and stopped reading.
Hell, everyone knows Brodhead ain't in Indiana.
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yocum137@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
I=92m sure some of you that have built Riblett 612 ribs can help with
this.
I purchased the 612 plans several years ago and when I started to build
ribs
recently I found that the paper template had shrunk. So, using the X,Y
plot
points provided I decided to loft a new template. The upper and lower
points are plotted and connected and the profile and outer dimensions
look
correct.
My problem is how to locate the spars. I see that the center to center
measurement between the =BE=94 spars is 28 =BE=94, but where on the X
axis is the
main spar located? Are the spars perpendicular to the cord line or
relative
to something else? The template I received shows them canted forward
about
five degrees from perpendicular to the cord.
The same is true of the internal braces. Is there anything that tells
exactly where they go?
I=92m uncomfortable with all of this because with so much precision in
an
airfoil I=92d like to think there is a function or purpose for most of
the
dimensions.
Allan Macklem
Late Starter
Elkhorn, NE
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Michael,
There is a side view drawing without dimensions on West Coast Piet. When I g
et home from the airport tonight I will try and post pictures and a dimensio
ned drawing.
Rick Schreiber
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote
:
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> Rick, would you mind sharing some pictures of your fuel tank? It sounds li
ke it functions very nice.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
Michael, I bought an old rag (literally) of a PA-22 and converted it to
a PA-20 Pacer during a rebuild. I REALLY liked that airplane. It had a
150 Lycoming and it was a lot of fun. Carried 4 grownups very nicely.
Would be great for you, wife, and your two kids. Attached pic is not
very good, but it will give you an idea of what it was. Mama has the
good pictures framed so I can't scan one of them. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 1:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List)
Speaking of building a second plane, anyone know of a 4 place
home-built? I know the Cozy is one, but I would be more interested in
wood, maybe fabric, etc. No plans at the moment to build a second
plane, but perhaps in the future I will either be building...or buying
another.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
No problem Oscar. Its a small enough group as it is, cant
imagine many people (especially married ones) that have been able to
build more than one. I love the build process and could definitely
imagine a second plane. Not sure if my marriage would survive it though.
--------
Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Macklem
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil
I'm sure some of you that have built Riblett 612 ribs can help with
this.
I purchased the 612 plans several years ago and when I started to
build ribs recently I found that the paper template had shrunk. So,
using the X,Y plot points provided I decided to loft a new template.
The upper and lower points are plotted and connected and the profile and
outer dimensions look correct.
My problem is how to locate the spars. I see that the center to
center measurement between the =BE" spars is 28 =BE", but where on the X
axis is the main spar located? Are the spars perpendicular to the cord
line or relative to something else? The template I received shows them
canted forward about five degrees from perpendicular to the cord.
The same is true of the internal braces. Is there anything that tells
exactly where they go?
I'm uncomfortable with all of this because with so much precision in
an airfoil I'd like to think there is a function or purpose for most of
the dimensions.
Allan Macklem
Late Starter
Elkhorn, NE
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| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
Michael, why don't you help Allan out -- didn't you use the 612 Riblett?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Macklem
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil
I'm sure some of you that have built Riblett 612 ribs can help with
this.
I purchased the 612 plans several years ago and when I started to
build ribs recently I found that the paper template had shrunk. So,
using the X,Y plot points provided I decided to loft a new template.
The upper and lower points are plotted and connected and the profile and
outer dimensions look correct.
My problem is how to locate the spars. I see that the center to
center measurement between the =BE" spars is 28 =BE", but where on the X
axis is the main spar located? Are the spars perpendicular to the cord
line or relative to something else? The template I received shows them
canted forward about five degrees from perpendicular to the cord.
The same is true of the internal braces. Is there anything that tells
exactly where they go?
I'm uncomfortable with all of this because with so much precision in
an airfoil I'd like to think there is a function or purpose for most of
the dimensions.
Allan Macklem
Late Starter
Elkhorn, NE
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank strap padding |
I also used felt strips for my fuel tank straps. Aircraft Spruce sells it
with an adhesive backing. I couldn't find true felt anywhere locally until
one day I was in our local Ace Hardware looking for some household items.
There it was, on a bottom shelf, looking right back at me, near the parts
for garage door repairs. It turns out that felt strips are used to better
seal between the horizontal garage door panels to keep out the wind and
cold. It comes in varying widths and was remarkably cheap, no doubt
because it apparently didn't occur to anyone to sell it for airplane use.
Cheers, Ken
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:45 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oops... third picture from the bottom, not second picture.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401685#401685
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
I'll be there in the morning!=0A=0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________
_________________=0A From: Scott Liefeld <pietman@qnet.com>=0ATo: Michael G
roah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> =0ACc: Piet List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
; Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>; Fritz Watson <fwatson@aascworld.com>;
Larry Kruchten <lkruchten@charter.net>; John Doig <jmd@c-zone.net>; George
Benson <ba.flyer@hotmail.com>; glenf@ccountry.com; thephoebusc@aol.com; Wa
lt Bowe <Wcbowe@aol.com>; Patrick Panzera <panzera@experimental-aviation.co
m>; Pat Panzera <editor.contactmagazine@gmail.com> =0ASent: Friday, May 31,
2013 2:52 PM=0ASubject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering=0A =0A=0A=0AMik
e Madrid and my self are here. Already have seen Charlie. When should we be
seeing the rest of you folks?=0ACheers, Scott Liefeld=0A=0ASent from my MO
TOROLA ATRIX=84=A2 HD on AT&T=0A=0AMichael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ATo those planning on flying into the West Coast Pie
tenpol Gathering this Saturday you need to remember your stakes and rope or
other tie downs!=C2- =0A=0A=0AThis is going to be a great weekend and it
looks like we're going to have a great turnout.=C2- I look forward to se
eing all of you there.=C2-=0A=0AMike Groah
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank strap padding |
Clarification. I used the felt strips as cushioning material between the
fuel tanks and the metal straps that do the work holding the tanks in place.
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
> I also used felt strips for my fuel tank straps. Aircraft Spruce sells it
> with an adhesive backing. I couldn't find true felt anywhere locally until
> one day I was in our local Ace Hardware looking for some household items.
> There it was, on a bottom shelf, looking right back at me, near the parts
> for garage door repairs. It turns out that felt strips are used to better
> seal between the horizontal garage door panels to keep out the wind and
> cold. It comes in varying widths and was remarkably cheap, no doubt
> because it apparently didn't occur to anyone to sell it for airplane use.
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:45 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Oops... third picture from the bottom, not second picture.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401685#401685
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
11 ish tomorrow
Sent from my iPhone
On May 31, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Scott Liefeld <pietman@qnet.com> wrote:
> Mike Madrid and my self are here. Already have seen Charlie. When should w
e be seeing the rest of you folks?
> Cheers, Scott Liefeld
>
> Sent from my MOTOROLA ATRIX=84=A2 HD on AT&T
>
>
> Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> To those planning on flying into the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering this S
aturday you need to remember your stakes and rope or other tie downs!
>
> This is going to be a great weekend and it looks like we're going to have a
great turnout. I look forward to seeing all of you there.
>
> Mike Groah
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
And for those of you who can, please join us next weekend at Marysville!
http://www.contactmagazine.com/roundup.html
Pat
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Scott Liefeld <pietman@qnet.com> wrote:
> Mike Madrid and my self are here. Already have seen Charlie. When should
> we be seeing the rest of you folks?
> Cheers, Scott Liefeld
>
> *Sent from my MOTOROLA ATRIX=99 HD on AT&T*
>
>
> Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> To those planning on flying into the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering this
> Saturday you need to remember your stakes and rope or other tie downs!
>
> This is going to be a great weekend and it looks like we're going to have
> a great turnout. I look forward to seeing all of you there.
>
> Mike Groah
>
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Thanks Rick. My tank is complete and installed, but I always like to see how others
fabricate/build things. Looking forward to the pictures. Thanks again.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Alternative Engine Round up |
Here's a reminder about the Alternative Engine Round-up which is June 8 in
Marysville=2C CA:
http://www.contactmagazine.com/roundup.html
This plane has already registered:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=470281659713290&set=a.155149867
893139.38719.133387926736000&type=1&theater
What's an alternative engine? How about a Ford Fiesta=2C Mitsubishi forkli
ft=2C Corvair=2C or many other such engines that Piets have been powered wi
th over the years? Does that mean there won't be any Lycoming/Continental/
Franklin/Tigre engines there? No=2C probably not =3Bo)
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
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| Subject: | Center section rear cutout. |
Hi guys I was just getting ready to fire up my table saw tonight to cut
out the trailing edge piece for the center section when I thought about
making the rear semicircle cutout from the center section. Would you
greatly recommend this and is it hard to do? Does it greatly help
getting in and out of the cockpit? Thanks in advance....
CB
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| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
I am just now seeing Alan's Riblett question. I doubt I can help much, but.
..
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"So, using the X,Y plot points provided I decided to loft a new template."
-- I am not sure what you mean. I am looking at my original-612 print
, (from 9/5/06) and do not see any X/Y plots.-
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My print has the trailing edge drawn...both side and top views.- From the
tip of the trailing edge to the rear face of the first vertical support, i
t is shown as 11-3/4" on the drawing. From that point to the rear face of t
he rear spar, I measure another 11-3/4". From the rear face of the rear spa
r to the rear face of the front spar is 28-3/4", as you already noted. draw
ing uses 3/4" spars. All of these measurements are measure along the bottom
of the airfoil.
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If I may be of any further assistance, please let me know.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Center section rear cutout. |
Charles,
When I started my project 10 years ago I did not plan on putting in a cut ou
t or a flop. Seven years ago I was far enough along that I was able to put t
he center section above the fuselage with mocked up cardboard wing bottoms. I
tried getting in and out of the fuselage with the fuselage in the proper on
the ground stance. Fast forward to last summer and the wings are on, the ce
nter section is on and the fuselage is on its gear. My cabanes are extended 2
inches and I slanted the wing back 4 inches for testing. I could get in but
it was more difficult. My AP/IA kept trying to tell me to put in a flop or a
cutout but I resisted. Finally, I sat in the cockpit for one hour then trie
d to get out. I did it, but it was a struggle. I decided then to take the ce
nter section home and install a flop. What a difference! It was only a half d
ays work, but well worth it. It would have been a whole lot easier if I did i
t during the original center section construction.
If you go to Chris Tracy's West Coast Piet site and look under my photos, yo
u can see a photo of my set up.
Rick Schreiber
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2013, at 5:49 PM, "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly@abcmailbox.net> w
rote:
> Hi guys I was just getting ready to fire up my table saw tonight to cut o
ut the trailing edge piece for the center section when I thought about makin
g the rear semicircle cutout from the center section. Would you greatly reco
mmend this and is it hard to do? Does it greatly help getting in and out of t
he cockpit? Thanks in advance....
> CB
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| Subject: | Re: Center section rear cutout. |
I did the "typical" rounded cut out in my CS. However, if doing it again, I
would consider a "flop" instead. I believe there is some debate as to if r
emoving the rear of the CS for the cutout decreases lift/performance, howev
er a flop leaves the CS airfoil shape completely intact and still hinges ou
t of the way to get in/out.
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I personally prefer the ascetics of the cutout, but a flop sounds to be a "
win-win."
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Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
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| Subject: | Re: Center section rear cutout. |
opinions vary. but i think a flop is the way to go. The cutout reduces some lift
(as noted by B.H. Pietenpol pg 33 of the yellow Pietenpol notes that D.H. Pietenpol
published.) He recommended the flop for that reason. I personally don't
have any experience in flying in one with the cutout, but have heard several
others mention how the wind goes right down your back in flight. Just guessing,
but the cutout might disrupt the air over the tail surface at high angles of
attack as well. I'm sure many love the cutout "look", i personally like the
"look" and efficiency of a straight trailing edge. I imagine ease of entry is
identical in both cutout and flop. I'm a pro flop kind of guy.
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Paul Donahue
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| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
this was in the archive. copied it a while ago if this helps. I drafted the 613.5
and compared it to a full size plan i aquired else where. it was accurate.
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| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
sorry, misread the question.
(The following is from memory, on the road and away from my plans/notes, so please
verify).
not sure about the 612, but with the 613.5 the spars are not perpendicular
to the chord line. Pretty sure that is what you are running in to.t if you level
the bottom of the spars,(use same length cabane struts fore and aft) the angle
of incidence is 2 degrees. this is what is specified in the Piet plans if
i remember right. The original wing requires the front cabane strut to be 1 inch
longer to get that angle of incedence (spars should be parallel to chord line
in original wing).The way i understand it, that needed 2 degree angle of incidence
is built in, so to speak, to the rib itself. Also, My 613.5 plans have
the front and back spars parallel with each other and both resting on the
bottom capstrip. hope i'm making sense of this.
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| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
Michael,
Did you build your ribs with the spars perpendicular to the chord line?
Mark McKellar
Mt. Pleasant TX
-----Original Message-----
From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:07pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil
I am just now seeing Alan's Riblett question. I doubt I can help much, but...
"So, using the X,Y plot points provided I decided to loft a new template." I am
not sure what you mean. I am looking at my original612 print, (from 9/5/06) and
do not see any X/Y plots.
My print has the trailing edge drawn...both side and top views. From the tip of
the trailing edge to the rear face of the first vertical support, it is shown
as 11-3/4" on the drawing. From that point to the rear face of the rear spar,
I measure another 11-3/4". From the rear face of the rear spar to the rear face
of the front spar is 28-3/4", as you already noted. drawing uses 3/4" spars.
All of these measurements are measure along the bottom of the airfoil.
If I may be of any further assistance, please let me know.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
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| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
FWIW, I did my 613.5 the way it sounds like Paul did. Spars are perpendicular in
reference to the lower cap strip. Also, I built the ribs anticipating a 1 inch
spar. I then used the same measurements as the Pietenpol airfoil ( 6 and 3/4"
from nose to front face of the front spar, 28 and 3/4" front face of front
spar to face of rear spar, etc).
I hope that helps.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Fuel tank pictures |
Michael,
As promised here are some photos of my fuel tank installation. The total
volume as planned and then by actual measurement came out to 19 gal.
There is plenty of clearance for the front passenger including lots of
room for operating the rudder pedals. If anyone would like to see
dimensioned drawings I can post them later.
19 gal will probably give me 2 hrs and 45 min with a half hour reserve.
Probably the only time I will fly with a full tank is going to Brodhead.
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Hi Scott,
Arl ene and I are here as well but don[t know the combination to get in the airport.
We saw your planes as we drove by. Will see you tomorrow morning.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
Well for what it's worth to the group, here is some files I created 2 years ago
to potentially sell Riblett GAU30-612 rib jigs. I plotted the DAT files that
have been posted here before in my CAD software and the jig files were created
to be punched on a CNC router. My '613.5' jig was popped out this way and that's
what I am building on.
So, this is posted "as-is". It is accurate to the dat files I was given (and the
coorinates posted here as well), so have at it.
As to the spar dimentions, they are spaced at 27.75" as per the original plans,
and the internal struts and wing elements were dimensioned from the original
piet FC-10 airfoil that I purchased (i.e.: The measurements for all related parts
was taken from the original plans and copied to the new airfoil... so, however
far the spar was from the front of the airfoil, that's how far it was on
my plans...) I have chosen to fil the entire spar locations on my design top
to bottom with a spar, as I am making my wing longer than plans (please, no flames
:o) I am a heretic.
Also, the attached DXF includes routing for the glue pots beneath the intersections
where the glue can drop down and not stick to the jig surface. That is what
the 'pots' reference is for: glue "pots" beneath the junctions.
Hope this helps anyone building a Riblett 612 airfoil! As always in Experimental
aviation, your altitude may vary...
Enjoy!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
I wish I was there camping tonight... :o(
See ya'll in the morning!!
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| Subject: | Re: Alternative Engine Round up |
Stinking Weddings....!
Just because my nephew is getting married on the same day, does that mean I HAVE
to attend the ceremony? Just because my brother attended MY daughter's wedding
last weekend, does that mean I HAVE to go to HIS kid's wedding when there is
an alternative engine roundup on the same stinking weekend???
Life is full of difficult choices...
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| Subject: | Re: Center section rear cutout. |
Interesting discussion... I had never considered anything but the cut out until
this... Now I am leaning toward a Flop.
Thanks fellers...
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in |
Mike Cuy:
I sure wish you could attend the event, as I would love to meet you. I think you
must be the most generous and considerate person on the list. You know, the
first event I attended (year 2) was attended by the ubiquitous Jim Markle...
You are truly the "Godfather" of the piet list.
I promise to say nice things about you at the group meeting tomorrow!
:o)
Mark
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