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1. 04:25 AM - Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 (VanDy)
2. 06:37 AM - Re: Wood List (K5YAC)
3. 06:39 AM - Re: flop vs cutout (K5YAC)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: flop vs cutout (Ken Bickers)
5. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in (V Groah)
6. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 (V Groah)
7. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in4 (jorge lizarraga)
8. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in4 (jorge lizarraga)
9. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 (jorge lizarraga)
10. 05:22 PM - Floorboard refinish (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
11. 05:33 PM - Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) (airlion2@gmail.com)
12. 05:35 PM - Re: flop vs cutout (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
13. 05:47 PM - Re: Floorboard refinish (Dale Johnson)
14. 06:13 PM - Re: Floorboard refinish (Mark Roberts)
15. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (M. Zeke Zechini)
16. 08:26 PM - Piet plans as amended by Grega (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
17. 09:02 PM - Re: flop vs cutout (Clif Dawson)
18. 11:31 PM - windscreens (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
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| Subject: | Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 |
Brodhead is off the table for me this year, but I think I can make this in a Tcraft
with my wife driving support.
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www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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I ordered my wood package from Aircraft Spruce in 2009, before they broke it up
into "wing", "fuse", "stab" etc. At that time, the contents of their package
was very close to Robert McKinley's list that was compiled many years ago. I
took the time to update the list a while back (attached), keeping Robert's details
in tact, but adding a few of my own comments to indicate what I inventoried
in my AS&S package, and by my experience, where some of the materials should
be used.
I'm told that the individual wood packages contain the same items as the previous
offering when combined, they are just broken up into more affordable smaller
packages. I'll say this... if you order the wing pack and fuse pack separately,
i.e. 14' spars and 15' longerons, as in, the freight truck has to deliver
twice... you've saved nothing.
The count column in the attached list is my count... I have made notes where it
differs from Robert's. In my estimate, the AS&S complete wood package, along
with a AS&S "Bargain Bag of Spruce" is all that is needed to complete all wood
construction minus wing ribs, wing tip bows and necessary plywood. The Bargain
Bag of Spruce really is a good value... I dig into that pile all the time.
Hope this helps!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
"Chasing the Hun"... I can't wait!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you
are planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will
inevitably trickle down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't
like gas. If you are planning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
> **
> Why not have the best of both worlds?
>
> The open areas will be covered in lexan.
>
> Clif
>
> "The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William Blake<http://quote.robertgenn.com/auth_search.php?name=William+Blake>
> )
>
>
> In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you
> have a splendid view through the cutout over the wing.
> I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution
> Jack Phillips****
>
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in |
It truly was a pleasure to visit with you and share ideas. You are always
welcome at our place. Hope you had a good time and will come back next ye
ar Vic
From: flightwood@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in
just like to say all you guys tanks for by so frienly and nice people todey
these was bery wonderfull time shared your ideas and advice=2Cwonderfull m
eal and was bery plaseto meet you all of you seyou nex jorge from hanford
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401726#401726
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L great content also available
via the Web sp=3B -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 |
good to see the progress. keep up the good work and come over and see if y
ou can use that strut material. Vic
From: flightwood@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2
those person like see some pictures .
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in4 |
hanford piet more pict.
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in3
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in4 |
tanks Vick for be so frienly and bery nice person all you these is some mor
e of my pict seyou wen coming bac from mexico aroun july 20.jorge from hanf
ord=0A=0A=0AFrom: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>=0ATo: piet list <pietenpol-l
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etenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in=0A=0A=0A=0AIt truly was a ple
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 |
tanks Vic seyou sooner coming bac and again congratulation for you museum p
ice your build=0A=0A=0AFrom: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>=0ATo: piet list <
pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 10:12 AM=0ASubj
ect: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2=0A=0A=0A=0Agood t
o see the progress.- keep up the good work and come-over and see if you
can use that strut material.- Vic=0A-=0A=0ADate: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 22:04
:33 -0700=0AFrom: flightwood@yahoo.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: W
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| Subject: | Floorboard refinish |
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Gentlemen (and Oscar ;+), I am about to reinstall the floorboards and will need
to replace a couple of floorboards and finish and refinish all of them.
I want to keep the wood exposed. Like John, I love the look.
Any suggestions on stain, lacquer, and sealant for these floorboards. (PS I prefer
rattlecans for this small a project.
Any other suggestions, IE on my bonanza I spray every crevice with Corrosion-X
in an effort to keep it whole . Is there any product that is similar for spruce?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
How about looking into a Whitman tailwind. Cheers, gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
wrote:
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> The Falco is pretty, but has a very long build time.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On 05/31/13, Michael Perez wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of building a second plane, anyone know of a 4 place home-built? I
know the Cozy is one, but I would be more interested in wood, maybe fabric, etc.
No plans at the moment to build a second plane, but perhaps in the future I
will either be building...or buying another.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com
>>
>>
>>>
>>> No problem Oscar. Its a small enough group as it is, cant imagine many people
(especially married ones) that have been able to build more than one. I love
the build process and could definitely imagine a second plane. Not sure if my
marriage would survive it though.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Paul Donahue
>>> Started 8-3-12
>>> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
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What materiel is gasoline resistant that will do what we want? I looked up plex
and Lexan and The chemical sheet said that Lexan would resist benzine, but Plex
would not. Mine has a nose tank and a Center section wing AUX tank.
Blue Skies,
Steve
On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote:
> Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you are planning
a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle
down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't like gas. If
you are planning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca(blockedmailto:cdawson5854@shaw.ca)> wrote:
>
> > Why not have the best of both worlds?
> >
> > The open areas will be covered in lexan.
> >
> > Clif
> >
> > "The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William Blake(blockedhttp://quote.robertgenn.com/auth_search.php?name=William+Blake))
> >
> >
> > In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you have
a splendid view through the cutout over the wing.
> > I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution
> > Jack Phillips
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboard refinish |
Dortch
Use west system epoxy. That is 105 resin & 205 hardener. Wears good.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floorboard refinish
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Gentlemen (and Oscar ;+), I am about to reinstall the floorboards and will
> need to replace a couple of floorboards and finish and refinish all of
> them.
>
> I want to keep the wood exposed. Like John, I love the look.
>
> Any suggestions on stain, lacquer, and sealant for these floorboards. (PS
> I prefer rattlecans for this small a project.
>
> Any other suggestions, IE on my bonanza I spray every crevice with
> Corrosion-X in an effort to keep it whole . Is there any product that is
> similar for spruce?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboard refinish |
Well timed question for me too... I just finished the second coat of varnish (man-o-war
spar varnish) on the exposed areas of my fuse, and one coat on the rear
of the fuse.
Even after sitting for a week, the "stirred well before application" second coat
seems soft and pills up with a light sanding (102 degrees today so it should
be 'cured' after a week I'd guess). First coat is hard and dry... Second coat
seems like I could scratch it easily, and it is the floor of the fuse inside.
Can I use West System Epoxy to make a final coat over the varnish, or would that
prevent some kind of 'curing' that I am unaware of with the varnish...? I am
using the West Systems 105 and 205 to build the plane and it is outstanding
stuff. I spoke to a friend at church that built an all wood Barracuda and used
West Systems for his sealing finish and really likes it, but I am afraid of making
a mess if I paint over the varnish with it and it needs a month or something
to finally set.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
My Comanche co-owner still a member of 186. I want to borrow their scales to do
W&B...
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 20, 2013, at 9:14 PM, "Fun2av8" <iflyga@fun2av8.com> wrote:
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> Absorbing .... Lots of great stuff. As luck would have it EAA Chapter 186
was out at KCJR today and will be there again tomorrow. I'm going to go introduce
myself. Their website has a really great tutorial on W&B that reads well
with Tools comments.
>
> Got homework to do ... :-)
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Piet plans as amended by Grega |
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The logbook on my Piet says. it is an "Pietenpol aircamper......in accordance with
the original drawings as amended by John w. Grega to include...."
forward section of the fuselage is extended 6 inches for the different motor.
Wing built in 3 sections
with a 9.5 gallon gas tank in upper wing.
also the
Right gear is J3 cub. Left gear was fabricated to match.
By all appearances this is a Piet and not a Grega.
What gives?
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
Too late! :-)
http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Pietenpol9.html
I'll just have to deal with that when it happens.
But it might also just drop through the hinge
beforehand.
Clif
Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If
you are planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will
inevitably trickle down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really
doesn't like gas. On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson
<cdawson5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
Why not have the best of both worlds?
The open areas will be covered in lexan.
Clif
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UNCLASSIFIED
OK I now realize that I was unclear in the email below. The plane I have has a
cutout.
I am interested in windscreens and various ideas for windscreens,
Needed on both, front? height, Shape, and ease of installation are important details.
There is a plastic company near me.
One guy has suggested no windscreens, just goggles and a bandana.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 06/02/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote:
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> What materiel is gasoline resistant that will do what we want? I looked up plex
and Lexan and The chemical sheet said that Lexan would resist benzine, but
Plex would not. Mine has a nose tank and a Center section wing AUX tank.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve
>
>
> On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote:
> > Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you are
planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle
down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't like gas. If
you are planning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca(blockedmailto:cdawson5854@shaw.ca(javascript:main.compose())> wrote:
> >
> > > Why not have the best of both worlds?
> > >
> > > The open areas will be covered in lexan.
> > >
> > > Clif
> > >
> > > "The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William Blake(blockedhttp://quote.robertgenn.com/auth_search.php?name=William+Blake))
> > >
> > >
> > > In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you have
a splendid view through the cutout over the wing.
> > > I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution
> > > Jack Phillips
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
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