---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/02/13: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:25 AM - Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 (VanDy) 2. 06:37 AM - Re: Wood List (K5YAC) 3. 06:39 AM - Re: flop vs cutout (K5YAC) 4. 06:50 AM - Re: flop vs cutout (Ken Bickers) 5. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in (V Groah) 6. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 (V Groah) 7. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in4 (jorge lizarraga) 8. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in4 (jorge lizarraga) 9. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 (jorge lizarraga) 10. 05:22 PM - Floorboard refinish (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 11. 05:33 PM - Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) (airlion2@gmail.com) 12. 05:35 PM - Re: flop vs cutout (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 13. 05:47 PM - Re: Floorboard refinish (Dale Johnson) 14. 06:13 PM - Re: Floorboard refinish (Mark Roberts) 15. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (M. Zeke Zechini) 16. 08:26 PM - Piet plans as amended by Grega (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 17. 09:02 PM - Re: flop vs cutout (Clif Dawson) 18. 11:31 PM - windscreens (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 From: "VanDy" Brodhead is off the table for me this year, but I think I can make this in a Tcraft with my wife driving support. -------- www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there! almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401799#401799 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood List From: "K5YAC" I ordered my wood package from Aircraft Spruce in 2009, before they broke it up into "wing", "fuse", "stab" etc. At that time, the contents of their package was very close to Robert McKinley's list that was compiled many years ago. I took the time to update the list a while back (attached), keeping Robert's details in tact, but adding a few of my own comments to indicate what I inventoried in my AS&S package, and by my experience, where some of the materials should be used. I'm told that the individual wood packages contain the same items as the previous offering when combined, they are just broken up into more affordable smaller packages. I'll say this... if you order the wing pack and fuse pack separately, i.e. 14' spars and 15' longerons, as in, the freight truck has to deliver twice... you've saved nothing. The count column in the attached list is my count... I have made notes where it differs from Robert's. In my estimate, the AS&S complete wood package, along with a AS&S "Bargain Bag of Spruce" is all that is needed to complete all wood construction minus wing ribs, wing tip bows and necessary plywood. The Bargain Bag of Spruce really is a good value... I dig into that pile all the time. Hope this helps! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401806#401806 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/material_list_163.pdf ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flop vs cutout From: "K5YAC" "Chasing the Hun"... I can't wait! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401807#401807 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flop vs cutout From: Ken Bickers Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you are planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't like gas. If you are planning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: > ** > Why not have the best of both worlds? > > The open areas will be covered in lexan. > > Clif > > "The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William Blake > ) > > > In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you > have a splendid view through the cutout over the wing. > I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution > Jack Phillips**** > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:15 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in It truly was a pleasure to visit with you and share ideas. You are always welcome at our place. Hope you had a good time and will come back next ye ar Vic From: flightwood@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in just like to say all you guys tanks for by so frienly and nice people todey these was bery wonderfull time shared your ideas and advice=2Cwonderfull m eal and was bery plaseto meet you all of you seyou nex jorge from hanford http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401726#401726 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L great content also available via the Web sp=3B -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin. === ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:57 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 good to see the progress. keep up the good work and come over and see if y ou can use that strut material. Vic From: flightwood@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 those person like see some pictures . http://forums.matronics.com/viewto/www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Li st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List _f="http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics .nbsp=3B onics.com/contribution" ====== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:48 AM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in4 hanford piet more pict. From: jorge lizarraga Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in3 ht --> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:59 AM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in4 tanks Vick for be so frienly and bery nice person all you these is some mor e of my pict seyou wen coming bac from mexico aroun july 20.jorge from hanf ord=0A=0A=0AFrom: V Groah =0ATo: piet list =0ASent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 10:10 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pi etenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in=0A=0A=0A=0AIt truly was a ple asure to visit with you and share ideas.- You are always-welcome-at -our place.-- Hope-you had a good time and will come back next year -- -Vic =0A-=0A=0ADate: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 21:58:53 -0700=0AFrom: flig htwood@yahoo.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fl y-in=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A=0A=0Ajust like to say all you gu ys tanks for by so frienly and nice people todey these was bery wonderfull time shared your ideas and advice,wonderfull meal and was bery plaseto meet you all of you seyou nex jorge from hanford=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://forums.ma tronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401726#401726=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Pietenpol-L great content also available via the Web sp; - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.=0A=====0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ast " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listttp:/ /forums.matronics.com=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A ============== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:56 AM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 tanks Vic seyou sooner coming bac and again congratulation for you museum p ice your build=0A=0A=0AFrom: V Groah =0ATo: piet list < pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 10:12 AM=0ASubj ect: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2=0A=0A=0A=0Agood t o see the progress.- keep up the good work and come-over and see if you can use that strut material.- Vic=0A-=0A=0ADate: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 22:04 :33 -0700=0AFrom: flightwood@yahoo.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: W est Coast Pietenpol fly-in2=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A=0A=0Athos e person like see some pictures .=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopi c.php?p=401726#401726=0A_f="http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_bla nk>http://forums.matronics.nbsp; - - - - - - - - - -oni =========== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:01 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floorboard refinish UNCLASSIFIED Gentlemen (and Oscar ;+), I am about to reinstall the floorboards and will need to replace a couple of floorboards and finish and refinish all of them. I want to keep the wood exposed. Like John, I love the look. Any suggestions on stain, lacquer, and sealant for these floorboards. (PS I prefer rattlecans for this small a project. Any other suggestions, IE on my bonanza I spray every crevice with Corrosion-X in an effort to keep it whole . Is there any product that is similar for spruce? Blue Skies, Steve D UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) From: airlion2@gmail.com How about looking into a Whitman tailwind. Cheers, gardiner Sent from my iPad On May 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote: > > UNCLASSIFIED > The Falco is pretty, but has a very long build time. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > On 05/31/13, Michael Perez wrote: >> >> Speaking of building a second plane, anyone know of a 4 place home-built? I know the Cozy is one, but I would be more interested in wood, maybe fabric, etc. No plans at the moment to build a second plane, but perhaps in the future I will either be building...or buying another. >> >> Michael Perez >> Pietenpol HINT Videos >> Karetaker Aero >> www.karetakeraero.com >> >> >>> >>> No problem Oscar. Its a small enough group as it is, cant imagine many people (especially married ones) that have been able to build more than one. I love the build process and could definitely imagine a second plane. Not sure if my marriage would survive it though. >>> >>> -------- >>> Paul Donahue >>> Started 8-3-12 >>> do not archive > UNCLASSIFIED > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:48 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flop vs cutout UNCLASSIFIED What materiel is gasoline resistant that will do what we want? I looked up plex and Lexan and The chemical sheet said that Lexan would resist benzine, but Plex would not. Mine has a nose tank and a Center section wing AUX tank. Blue Skies, Steve On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote: > Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you are planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't like gas. If you are planning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: > > > Why not have the best of both worlds? > > > > The open areas will be covered in lexan. > > > > Clif > > > > "The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William Blake(blockedhttp://quote.robertgenn.com/auth_search.php?name=William+Blake)) > > > > > > In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you have a splendid view through the cutout over the wing. > > I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution > > Jack Phillips > > > > > > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:43 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floorboard refinish Dortch Use west system epoxy. That is 105 resin & 205 hardener. Wears good. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floorboard refinish > > > UNCLASSIFIED > Gentlemen (and Oscar ;+), I am about to reinstall the floorboards and will > need to replace a couple of floorboards and finish and refinish all of > them. > > I want to keep the wood exposed. Like John, I love the look. > > Any suggestions on stain, lacquer, and sealant for these floorboards. (PS > I prefer rattlecans for this small a project. > > Any other suggestions, IE on my bonanza I spray every crevice with > Corrosion-X in an effort to keep it whole . Is there any product that is > similar for spruce? > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > UNCLASSIFIED > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Floorboard refinish From: "Mark Roberts" Well timed question for me too... I just finished the second coat of varnish (man-o-war spar varnish) on the exposed areas of my fuse, and one coat on the rear of the fuse. Even after sitting for a week, the "stirred well before application" second coat seems soft and pills up with a light sanding (102 degrees today so it should be 'cured' after a week I'd guess). First coat is hard and dry... Second coat seems like I could scratch it easily, and it is the floor of the fuse inside. Can I use West System Epoxy to make a final coat over the varnish, or would that prevent some kind of 'curing' that I am unaware of with the varnish...? I am using the West Systems 105 and 205 to build the plane and it is outstanding stuff. I spoke to a friend at church that built an all wood Barracuda and used West Systems for his sealing finish and really likes it, but I am afraid of making a mess if I paint over the varnish with it and it needs a month or something to finally set. Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401848#401848 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam From: "M. Zeke Zechini" My Comanche co-owner still a member of 186. I want to borrow their scales to do W&B... Sent from my iPad On Apr 20, 2013, at 9:14 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote: > > Absorbing .... Lots of great stuff. As luck would have it EAA Chapter 186 was out at KCJR today and will be there again tomorrow. I'm going to go introduce myself. Their website has a really great tutorial on W&B that reads well with Tools comments. > > Got homework to do ... :-) > > -------- > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399021#399021 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:51 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet plans as amended by Grega UNCLASSIFIED The logbook on my Piet says. it is an "Pietenpol aircamper......in accordance with the original drawings as amended by John w. Grega to include...." forward section of the fuselage is extended 6 inches for the different motor. Wing built in 3 sections with a 9.5 gallon gas tank in upper wing. also the Right gear is J3 cub. Left gear was fabricated to match. By all appearances this is a Piet and not a Grega. What gives? Steve D UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:33 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flop vs cutout Too late! :-) http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Pietenpol9.html I'll just have to deal with that when it happens. But it might also just drop through the hinge beforehand. Clif Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you are planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't like gas. On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: Why not have the best of both worlds? The open areas will be covered in lexan. Clif ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:23 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Pietenpol-List: windscreens UNCLASSIFIED OK I now realize that I was unclear in the email below. The plane I have has a cutout. I am interested in windscreens and various ideas for windscreens, Needed on both, front? height, Shape, and ease of installation are important details. There is a plastic company near me. One guy has suggested no windscreens, just goggles and a bandana. Blue Skies, Steve D On 06/02/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote: > > UNCLASSIFIED > What materiel is gasoline resistant that will do what we want? I looked up plex and Lexan and The chemical sheet said that Lexan would resist benzine, but Plex would not. Mine has a nose tank and a Center section wing AUX tank. > > Blue Skies, > Steve > > > On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote: > > Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you are planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't like gas. If you are planning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: > > > > > Why not have the best of both worlds? > > > > > > The open areas will be covered in lexan. > > > > > > Clif > > > > > > "The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William Blake(blockedhttp://quote.robertgenn.com/auth_search.php?name=William+Blake)) > > > > > > > > > In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you have a splendid view through the cutout over the wing. > > > I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution > > > Jack Phillips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED > > UNCLASSIFIED ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.