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1. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Chris)
2. 05:44 AM - Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) (C N Campbell)
3. 06:08 AM - Re: windscreens (Bill Church)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: Floorboard refinish (Bill Church)
5. 06:23 AM - Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega (jarheadpilot82)
6. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
7. 07:07 AM - Re: windscreens (Hans van der Voort)
8. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Floorboard refinish (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
9. 07:12 AM - Re: flop vs cutout (Michael Perez)
10. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: windscreens (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
11. 07:36 AM - WIGS ARE ON! (Chris Rusch)
12. 07:51 AM - Re: WIGS ARE ON! (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
13. 07:51 AM - Re: WIGS ARE ON! (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
14. 07:59 AM - Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega (Bill Church)
15. 08:02 AM - Re: WINGS ARE ON! (Chris Rusch)
16. 08:17 AM - Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) (VanDy)
17. 08:37 AM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Mark Roberts)
18. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega (C N Campbell)
19. 08:41 AM - Re: windscreens (C N Campbell)
20. 08:44 AM - Re: windscreens 2 (jorge lizarraga)
21. 08:50 AM - Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) (airlion2@gmail.com)
22. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Michael Groah)
23. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
24. 10:15 AM - Re: WIGS ARE ON! (Jack)
25. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega (Marcus Zechini)
26. 11:22 AM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (AircamperN11MS)
27. 12:30 PM - hangar floor color (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
28. 01:07 PM - Re: hangar floor color (Pilot78)
29. 02:03 PM - Re: hangar floor color (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
30. 03:22 PM - Re: hangar floor color (Kip and Beth Gardner)
31. 04:06 PM - Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega (dgaldrich)
32. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering ()
33. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: WINGS ARE ON! (Gary Boothe)
34. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: WINGS ARE ON! (John Hofmann)
35. 06:56 PM - West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (Gary Boothe)
36. 07:41 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (Mark Roberts)
37. 07:52 PM - Re: flop vs cutout (Clif Dawson)
38. 07:57 PM - Re: hangar floor color (Clif Dawson)
39. 08:00 PM - Re: WINGS ARE ON! (taildrags)
40. 08:07 PM - Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega (taildrags)
41. 08:16 PM - Re: windscreens (taildrags)
42. 08:21 PM - Re: windscreens (taildrags)
43. 08:48 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (Bill Church)
44. 09:00 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (V Groah)
45. 09:09 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (taildrags)
46. 09:17 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (taildrags)
47. 10:00 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (Chris)
48. 10:02 PM - Re: WINGS ARE ON! (K5YAC)
49. 10:04 PM - Re: WIGS ARE ON! (Chris)
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
All of you missed a great time at the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering held in
Frazier Lake Airport. As always it was excellently hosted by Charlie Miller
and his family who works so hard and treats us all like family. I must also
mention it's organized and promoted by Mike Groah. A BIG thanks goes to both
of you guys.
We had a lot of fun and had 7 Pietenpol (type) planes fly in. Two more tried
to get there but for various reasons were not able to make it. I didn't get
a head count but there were a bunch of people looking at the Pietenpols and
enjoying the barbeque chicken (50 ish) lunch. We were pleasantly surprised
this year to have Kevin Purtee and his wife Shelly all the way from Texas.
It is always nice to meet Pietenpol people who I feel I know even though we
have never met. Maybe they will be the first out of state Pietenpol to make
the journey to our gathering when they get their replacement Pietenpol
flying.
Attached are pictures of the 7 airplanes that flew in, and a few more for
atmosphere. I want to personally thank all those that flew their planes in,
and those that tried, your effort is makes this event what it is.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
I always thought the Tailwind was 2-place. Wrong? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: <airlion2@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List)
>
> How about looking into a Whitman tailwind. Cheers, gardiner
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
>> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>>
>> UNCLASSIFIED
>> The Falco is pretty, but has a very long build time.
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>> On 05/31/13, Michael Perez wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking of building a second plane, anyone know of a 4 place
>>> home-built? I know the Cozy is one, but I would be more interested in
>>> wood, maybe fabric, etc. No plans at the moment to build a second plane,
>>> but perhaps in the future I will either be building...or buying another.
>>>
>>> Michael Perez
>>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>>> Karetaker Aero
>>> www.karetakeraero.com
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> No problem Oscar. Its a small enough group as it is, cant imagine many
>>>> people (especially married ones) that have been able to build more than
>>>> one. I love the build process and could definitely imagine a second
>>>> plane. Not sure if my marriage would survive it though.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Paul Donahue
>>>> Started 8-3-12
>>>> do not archive
>> UNCLASSIFIED
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Steve,
Did the suggestion (no windscreens) come from the same guy that said you didn't
need jury struts either ?
While it may be possible to fly your Piet without a windscreen, your reaction would
likely be the same as Axel Olsen's reaction to wingwalking. "I didn't like
it much."
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboard refinish |
Just how many floorboards do you have? As far as I know there's only one.
Since you're going to be putting your feet on the floorboard, you're going to want
a very durable finish. I don't think that's going to be available in a "rattlecan".
As others have mentioned, epoxy is probably the best option - and
it gets brushed on.
And finally - corrosion protection for spruce? Just make sure that the wood is
fully sealed, to prevent moisture getting in.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
Steve,
Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust for the
CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side adjustment?
Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.
Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very easily
be wrong on that.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
UNCLASSIFIED
UH, the bottom attachment will pivot fore and aft, the top will pivot side to side.
Airframe is all spruce.
Steve D
On 06/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust for
the CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side adjustment?
>
> Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.
>
> Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very easily
be wrong on that.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401871#401871
>
>
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UNCLASSIFIED
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Steve,=0A-=0AI use Lexan, easy to bend in shape on a small sheet metal br
ake.=0AYou can buy it at Lowes or Home Depot.=0A-=0AYou do want to get at
least 1/8" thick, 3/16" is better.=0A-=0ALexan is not fuel proof, but if
you have fuel getting on your windscreen you have bigger problems to deal
with.=0A-=0AHans,=0A-=0AWaller, TX=0APietenpol NX15K=0A =0A=0A_________
_______________________=0A From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven
.d.dortch@us.army.mil>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday,
June 2, 2013 9:52 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: windscreens =0A =0A=0A-->
Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steve
n.d.dortch@us.army.mil>=0A=0AUNCLASSIFIED=0AOK I now realize that I was unc
lear in the email below. The plane I have has a cutout. =0A=0AI am interest
ed in windscreens and various ideas for windscreens,=0A=0ANeeded on both, f
ront? height, Shape, and ease of installation are important details.=0A=0AT
here is a plastic company near me.=0A=0AOne guy has suggested no windscreen
s, just goggles and a bandana. =0A=0ABlue Skies, =0ASteve D =0A=0AOn 06/02/
13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"- wrote:=0A> --> Pietenpol-List mes
sage posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army
.mil>=0A> =0A> UNCLASSIFIED=0A> What materiel is gasoline resistant that wi
ll do what we want? I looked up plex and Lexan and The chemical sheet said
that Lexan would resist benzine, but Plex would not. Mine has a nose tank a
nd a Center section wing AUX tank.=0A> =0A> Blue Skies,=0A> Steve =0A> =0A>
=0A> On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote:=0A> > Clif, one additional considerat
ion you might throw into the mix. If you are planning a center section fuel
tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle down the wing onto th
e lexan. That stuff really doesn't like gas. If you are planning a nose tan
k, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 a
t 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca(blockedmailto:cdawson5854@shaw
.ca(javascript:main.compose())> wrote:=0A> > =0A> > > Why not have the best
of both worlds?=0A> > > =0A> > > The open areas will be covered in lexan.
=0A> > > =0A> > > Clif=0A> > > =0A> > > "The true method of knowledge is ex
periment." (William Blake(blockedhttp://quote.robertgenn.com/auth_search.ph
p?name=William+Blake))=0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > In a steep turn, when ch
asing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you have a splendid view throug
h the cutout over the wing.=0A> > > I like the look of the cutout, but the
flop is also a neat solution=0A> > > Jack Phillips=0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> >
> =0A> > > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> UNCLASSIFIED=0A> =0A> =0AUNCLAS
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboard refinish |
UNCLASSIFIED
Bill this one is in pieces. Two halves that fit into the rear floorboard, with
holes and slots for the aileron horns on the stick. Two small ones with aluminium
covers for my heels.
Front cockpit has one on each side under the passenger's knees One large one with
aluminlum where the pax heels go and one in front of that.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 06/03/13, Bill Church wrote:
>
> Just how many floorboards do you have? As far as I know there's only one.
> Since you're going to be putting your feet on the floorboard, you're going to
want a very durable finish. I don't think that's going to be available in a "rattlecan".
As others have mentioned, epoxy is probably the best option - and
it gets brushed on.
> And finally - corrosion protection for spruce? Just make sure that the wood is
fully sealed, to prevent moisture getting in.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401869#401869
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
I like it Cliff! I had originally thought of doing that on the rear part of
the CS, but have it fixed...never thought of having it as part of the flop
. I also had thought of using acyclic some places either on the sides or bo
ttom of the fuselage...like windows...but decided against it.
-
I would like to see it when complete.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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UNCLASSIFIED
Not the same guy.
I am going to start looking around at photos for what I like.
On 06/03/13, Bill Church wrote:
>
> Steve,
> Did the suggestion (no windscreens) come from the same guy that said you didn't
need jury struts either ?
> While it may be possible to fly your Piet without a windscreen, your reaction
would likely be the same as Axel Olsen's reaction to wingwalking. "I didn't like
it much."
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401868#401868
>
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UNCLASSIFIED
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Moved my piet to the airport over the weekend, i am going to have it on ststic
display for the Manitowoc (KMTW)airshow this coming weekend if anyone is in the
area.
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NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: WIGS ARE ON! |
Can't wait to see you in a wig. You could be the new IT Girl. ;)
I couldn't help it.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: WIGS ARE ON! |
BTW - it looks great!
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
If your cabane attachment brackets look like the attachment, they're from Grega
plans.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
curtdm(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Can't wait to see you in a wig. You could be the new IT Girl. ;)
>
> I couldn't help it.
HAH!! good one, I fixed it..........cant believe i didn't catch that.
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NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
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| Subject: | Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
Wittman W-8 and W-10's are two place, but I think Steve did make a 4 place version.
I don't think the plans were ever made widely available thou.
Chuck Campbell wrote:
> I always thought the Tailwind was 2-place. Wrong? Chuck
>
> ---
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www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Wow! Great shots Chris!
It was a wonderful time to be sure. I am really amazed at how the whole Piet community
is so supportive and friendly. I was very glad to see you this year and
have a chance to chat a bit. What a great surprise to see Kevin and Shelley
as well!
You definitely have a gift for getting some good shots of the planes.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
My fittings are exactly according to the Pietenpol plans and the movement of
the cabane struts can ONLY be FORE AND AFT. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> UH, the bottom attachment will pivot fore and aft, the top will pivot side
> to side.
>
> Airframe is all spruce.
>
> Steve D
>
> On 06/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust
>> for the CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side
>> adjustment?
>>
>> Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.
>>
>> Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very
>> easily be wrong on that.
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401871#401871
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
>
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Hans, I think they were talking about using Lexan or some other clear
plastic to cover the "flop" to increase visiblity when the flop is down.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans van der Voort
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreens
Steve,
I use Lexan, easy to bend in shape on a small sheet metal brake.
You can buy it at Lowes or Home Depot.
You do want to get at least 1/8" thick, 3/16" is better.
Lexan is not fuel proof, but if you have fuel getting on your
windscreen you have bigger problems to deal with.
Hans,
Waller, TX
Pietenpol NX15K
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 9:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: windscreens
NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
UNCLASSIFIED
OK I now realize that I was unclear in the email below. The plane I
have has a cutout.
I am interested in windscreens and various ideas for windscreens,
Needed on both, front? height, Shape, and ease of installation are
important details.
There is a plastic company near me.
One guy has suggested no windscreens, just goggles and a bandana.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 06/02/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote:
NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> What materiel is gasoline resistant that will do what we want? I
looked up plex and Lexan and The chemical sheet said that Lexan would
resist benzine, but Plex would not. Mine has a nose tank and a Center
section wing AUX tank.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve
>
>
> On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote:
> > Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix.
If you are planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point
will inevitably trickle down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really
doesn't like gas. If you are planning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an
issue. Ken
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson
<cdawson5854@shaw.ca(blockedmailto:cdawson5854@shaw.ca(javascript:main.co
mpose())> wrote:
> >
> > > Why not have the best of both worlds?
> > >
> > > The open areas will be covered in lexan.
> > >
> > > Clif
> > >
> > > "The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William
Blake(blockedhttp://quote.robertgenn.com/auth_search.php?name=William+B
lake))
> > >
> > >
> > > In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn
you, you have a splendid view through the cutout over the wing.
> > > I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat
solution
> > > Jack Phillips
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> UNC href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
target="_blanorums.matronics.com/"
target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com/
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| Subject: | Re: windscreens 2 |
Danke hans, your idea es bery good that is what trate to instal in my , loo
ks the same , Lexan to another brand ,take the 1/16''. fly whit not-winds
creens-is like-the-piet look realy bad , from my is like-I haved a
beautyfull girlfriend whit not her front teet, jorge from hanford=0A=0A=0AF
rom: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv@yahoo.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.
com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Monday, June 3, 2013 7:06 AM
=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreens =0A=0A=0A=0ASteve,=0A-=0AI us
e Lexan, easy to bend in shape on a small sheet metal brake.=0AYou can buy
it at Lowes or Home Depot.=0A-=0AYou do want to get at least 1/8" thick,
3/16" is better.=0A-=0ALexan is not fuel proof, but if you have fuel gett
ing on your windscreen you have bigger problems to deal with.=0A-=0AHans,
=0A-=0AWaller, TX=0APietenpol NX15K=0A=0AFrom: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL
USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 9:52 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: windscreen
USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>=0A=0AUNCLASSIFIED=0AOK I now realize
that I was unclear in the email below. The plane I have has a cutout. =0A
=0AI am interested in windscreens and various ideas for windscreens,=0A=0AN
eeded on both, front? height, Shape, and ease of installation are important
details.=0A=0AThere is a plastic company near me.=0A=0AOne guy has suggest
ed no windscreens, just goggles and a bandana. =0A=0ABlue Skies, =0ASteve D
=0A=0AOn 06/02/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"- wrote:=0A> --> Pi
etenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.
d.dortch@us.army.mil>=0A> =0A> UNCLASSIFIED=0A> What materiel is gasoline r
esistant that will do what we want? I looked up plex and Lexan and The chem
ical sheet said that Lexan would resist benzine, but Plex would not. Mine h
as a nose tank and a Center section wing AUX tank.=0A> =0A> Blue Skies,=0A>
Steve =0A> =0A> =0A> On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote:=0A> > Clif, one addit
ional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you are planning a cen
ter section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle down
the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't like gas. If you are pla
nning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > On Su
n, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca(blockedmailto:
cdawson5854@shaw.ca(javascript:main.compose())> wrote:=0A> > =0A> > > Why n
ot have the best of both worlds?=0A> > > =0A> > > The open areas will be co
vered in lexan.=0A> > > =0A> > > Clif=0A> > > =0A> > > "The true method of
knowledge is experiment." (William Blake(blockedhttp://quote.robertgenn.com
/auth_search.php?name=William+Blake))=0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > In a stee
p turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you have a splen
did view through the cutout over the wing.=0A> > > I like the look of the c
utout, but the flop is also a neat solution=0A> > > Jack Phillips=0A> > >
=0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> UNC href="htt
p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blanorums.matron
ics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com/ =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
Sorry about that. I was wrong. Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 3, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> I always thought the Tailwind was 2-place. Wrong? Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <airlion2@gmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List)
>
>
>>
>> How about looking into a Whitman tailwind. Cheers, gardiner
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> UNCLASSIFIED
>>> The Falco is pretty, but has a very long build time.
>>>
>>> Blue Skies,
>>> Steve D
>>>
>>> On 05/31/13, Michael Perez wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of building a second plane, anyone know of a 4 place home-built?
I know the Cozy is one, but I would be more interested in wood, maybe fabric,
etc. No plans at the moment to build a second plane, but perhaps in the future
I will either be building...or buying another.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Perez
>>>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>>>> Karetaker Aero
>>>> www.karetakeraero.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No problem Oscar. Its a small enough group as it is, cant imagine many people
(especially married ones) that have been able to build more than one. I love
the build process and could definitely imagine a second plane. Not sure if
my marriage would survive it though.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Paul Donahue
>>>>> Started 8-3-12
>>>>> do not archive
>>> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Well, Chris said basically what I wanted to say.- Thank you to everyone w
ho attended this year's gathering.- We had a great time and I enjoyed mee
ting some of the new attendees and had fun renewing old friendships.- Hop
efully next year we can repeat it and get even more planes and builders.-
I look forward to seeing everyone again next year.- =0A=0A=0AMike Groah
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Chris <catdesigns@att.ne
t>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 10:24 P
M=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering=0A =0A
=0A=0AAll of you missed a-great time at the West Coast =0APietenpol Gathe
ring held in Frazier Lake Airport. As always it was =0Aexcellently-hosted
by Charlie Miller and his family who works so hard and =0Atreats us all li
ke family.--I must also mention it's organized and =0Apromoted by Mike
Groah. A-BIG thanks-goes to both of you =0Aguys.=0A-=0AWe had a lot o
f fun and had 7 Pietenpol (type) planes =0Afly in. Two more tried to get th
ere but for various reasons-were not able =0Ato make it.--I didn't ge
t-a head count but there were a bunch of =0Apeople looking at the-Piete
npols and enjoying the barbeque chicken (50 ish) =0Alunch.- We were pleas
antly surprised this year to have Kevin Purtee and his =0Awife Shelly-all
the way from Texas. It is always nice to meet Pietenpol =0Apeople who I fe
el I know even though we have never-met. Maybe they will be =0Athe first
out of state Pietenpol to make the journey to our gathering when they =0Age
t their replacement Pietenpol flying.=0A-=0AAttached are pictures of the
7 airplanes that flew in, =0Aand a few more for-atmosphere.- I want to
personally thank all those =0Athat flew their planes in, and those that tri
ed, your effort is makes this event =0Awhat it is.-=0A-=0A-=0AChris
=0ASacramento, Ca=0AWestcoastpiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
UNCLASSIFIED
Further research on the plans shows the following:
Plans with the plane are:
1933-34 plans drawn by Orrin Hoopman (Deisgned by Bernard)
1975 plans for three piece wing drawn by V.J. Kapler (Designed by Bernard)
1967 motor mount plans drawn by A. Chanft
1994 supplementary plan only initialed by DP
Bottom struts match the Hoopman and Kapler drawings.
The top pivots side to side similar to the photo Bill C. Sent. But is not made
the same way.
Based on information on Chris Tracy's Westcoastpiet website
The upper attachment is not like a Piet but more like a Grega.
The Fuselage uses plywood like a Piet (not all the way back. It stops with the
Pilot seat. Grega put plywood all the way back.
The Piper Cub (Grega idea) landing gear has been modified like the Piet plans call
for. Attached at rear strut.
The controls use pulleys like a Piet not push tubes like a Grega. But there are
modifications as to the routing.
Perhaps it is a Pietengrega!
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 06/03/13, C N Campbell wrote:
>
> My fittings are exactly according to the Pietenpol plans and the movement of
the cabane struts can ONLY be FORE AND AFT. Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
>
>
> >
> >UNCLASSIFIED
> >UH, the bottom attachment will pivot fore and aft, the top will pivot side to
side.
> >
> >Airframe is all spruce.
> >
> >Steve D
> >
> >On 06/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> >>
> >>Steve,
> >>
> >>Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust for
the CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side adjustment?
> >>
> >>Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.
> >>
> >>Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very easily
be wrong on that.
> >>
> >>--------
> >>Semper Fi,
> >>
> >>Terry Hand
> >>Athens, GA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401871#401871
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >UNCLASSIFIED
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: WIGS ARE ON! |
Outstanding Chris!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:35 AM, "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com> wrote:
>
> Moved my piet to the airport over the weekend, i am going to have it on ststic
display for the Manitowoc (KMTW)airshow this coming weekend if anyone is in
the area.
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
> Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
I would like to be sureof what I have!!! I do have a set of plans, so I
can start sorting, just having more fun flying..
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB <
steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
> steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Further research on the plans shows the following:
>
> Plans with the plane are:
> 1933-34 plans drawn by Orrin Hoopman (Deisgned by Bernard)
> 1975 plans for three piece wing drawn by V.J. Kapler (Designed by Bernard)
> 1967 motor mount plans drawn by A. Chanft
> 1994 supplementary plan only initialed by DP
>
> Bottom struts match the Hoopman and Kapler drawings.
> The top pivots side to side similar to the photo Bill C. Sent. But is not
> made the same way.
>
> Based on information on Chris Tracy's Westcoastpiet website
>
> The upper attachment is not like a Piet but more like a Grega.
> The Fuselage uses plywood like a Piet (not all the way back. It stops with
> the Pilot seat. Grega put plywood all the way back.
> The Piper Cub (Grega idea) landing gear has been modified like the Piet
> plans call for. Attached at rear strut.
> The controls use pulleys like a Piet not push tubes like a Grega. But
> there are modifications as to the routing.
>
> Perhaps it is a Pietengrega!
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
> On 06/03/13, C N Campbell wrote:
> cncampbell@windstream.net>
> >
> > My fittings are exactly according to the Pietenpol plans and the
> movement of the cabane struts can ONLY be FORE AND AFT. Chuck
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <
> steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
> >
> >
> NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
> > >
> > >UNCLASSIFIED
> > >UH, the bottom attachment will pivot fore and aft, the top will pivot
> side to side.
> > >
> > >Airframe is all spruce.
> > >
> > >Steve D
> > >
> > >On 06/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
> > >>
> > >>Steve,
> > >>
> > >>Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to
> adjust for the CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side
> adjustment?
> > >>
> > >>Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.
> > >>
> > >>Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could
> very easily be wrong on that.
> > >>
> > >>--------
> > >>Semper Fi,
> > >>
> > >>Terry Hand
> > >>Athens, GA
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Read this topic online here:
> > >>
> > >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401871#401871
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >UNCLASSIFIED
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
I had a great time. Thank you to all involved. It was great to have seven ships
there and more people than could be counted. The food was outstanding and
the surprise campfire on Sat made far a great evening. I got to fly a whole 10
hours in one weekend, now I'm in a recovery mode. It was great flying two
ship halfway home with Mike Grogh, smooth air all the way to his place. The remaining
distance was a bit of challenge with rough air then flying through 3
or 4 miles of thick smoke to find my home field. Inhaling the smoke was not
fun, but home safe. Those who didn't get rides this year are first in line for
next year. Just come up to me and say (it's my turn). Absolute fun time.
See you all next year.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | hangar floor color |
UNCLASSIFIED
I have a newly constructed hangar. I will take posession this week and plan on
staining and sealing the floor.
Any thoughts on color? I am thinking white or silver.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
Steve,
I used an epoxy floor system. It is a tan color with multi-colored sprinkles in
it. It hides dirt well and shines up nice when I want it to. Just don't weld
close to it.....just ask me how I know.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
I would avoid white. I know it reflects light the best of any color and
lightens up the shop for the least outlay of lighting dollars and you will
be able to easily find anything you drop but every hair will look like a
crack and it will always look dirty. Being a tilesetter I know the first two
words out of a baby girls mouth aren't goo-goo or mama or dada they are
"white grout" which they dwell on in the back of their mind until they have
a white tile floor or die whichever comes first and then every hair looks
like a crack and every speck of dirt becomes an earth shattering experience
until they get new tile. The cleaning becomes an obsession.
dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hangar floor color
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
UNCLASSIFIED
I have a newly constructed hangar. I will take posession this week and plan
on staining and sealing the floor.
Any thoughts on color? I am thinking white or silver.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
Make it some color that screws,nuts & bolts show up against really well. I'm constantly
losing same on my shop floor, which is smooth, gray concrete - really
annoying. Of course, I may just need new glasses :)
Kip Gardner
On Jun 3, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB wrote:
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> I have a newly constructed hangar. I will take posession this week and plan on
staining and sealing the floor.
>
> Any thoughts on color? I am thinking white or silver.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
There are some other relatively significant differences besides those already mentioned.
Aileron hinge location. The "standard" Piet aileron is hinged at the top allowing
easy use of piano hinge for those so inclined. Cessna and Piper, among others,
do the same thing. The Grega hinges the ailerons in the middle of the false
spar. Since the airfoil is more symmetric with the ailerons displaced, I'm
guessing the theory is that it has less adverse yaw when ailerons are deflected.
The Grega aileron control cables connect to the center section via the front instrument
panel instead of the rear like the Pietenpol plans. The pulleys mount
on the front spar.
The drag anti-drag scheme in the wings uses thin threaded rods in 3 bays versus
cable in two.
The control horns for the rudder are mounted on the very bottom of a stiffened
rudder structure.
The question is: Does it matter? Both are proven designs and, if built reasonably
close to plans, fly about the same (or so I'm told --Skip Gadd chime in please).
Gregas are allowed to park with the Pietenpols at Brodhead and it doesn't
seem like anyone looks down their noses. Everyone recognizes the fact that
someone spent a LOT of time to hand-craft the aircraft (as opposed to the match-drilled,
quick build aluminum cans so popular among the instant gratification
crowd) no matter which design variant.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Between the barbecued chicken, the chocolate cheesecake, and more Piets than
we sometimes see at Brodhead, it was a spectacular day.
Thanks again to Charlie and Cecilia, Mike and Vic and everyone else involved
in putting it together.
And thanks go, too, to Axel and Shelly for expending their hard-earned
frequent-flyer miles to make the trip out. It was great to see everyone.
(Oscar, you really need to fly 41CC down here next year.)
Mike Hardaway
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
--> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
I had a great time. Thank you to all involved. It was great to have seven
ships there and more people than could be counted. The food was outstanding
and the surprise campfire on Sat made far a great evening. I got to fly a
whole 10 hours in one weekend, now I'm in a recovery mode. It was great
flying two ship halfway home with Mike Grogh, smooth air all the way to his
place. The remaining distance was a bit of challenge with rough air then
flying through 3 or 4 miles of thick smoke to find my home field. Inhaling
the smoke was not fun, but home safe. Those who didn't get rides this year
are first in line for next year. Just come up to me and say (it's my turn).
Absolute fun time. See you all next year.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
It's beautiful, Chris!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 8:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: WINGS ARE ON!
--> <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
curtdm(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Can't wait to see you in a wig. You could be the new IT Girl. ;)
>
> I couldn't help it.
HAH!! good one, I fixed it..........cant believe i didn't catch that.
--------
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ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
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Looks Great Chris!
We will have to barnstorm sometime. There are two of us at HXF with Piets.
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On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:13 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
All,
By now you should have seen the lineup of Piets that Chris Tracy posted.
Pietenpols were coming out from under hay stacks and barn hide-aways all
up
and down the state (or so it seemed)!
The great states of Texas and Oregon were also represented by
dignitaries.
But, as you look at the lineup, there is one plane missing=85NX308MB.
Unofficially, =BD way thru a 2 hour leg, I hit extreme turbulence that
most
assuredly damaged a rear spar. Yes=85I=92m sure that was it. It
certainly wasn=92t
the gentle tapping of the left wing on the runway in a right x-wind
landing.
Well, it may have been a tid-bit more than a gentle tap=85
Kevin & Shelley flew out from Austin and spent Friday night at my new
house.
Friday evening was pleasant, even windless, and Kevin took my Piet up
for a
short flight. I was very keen to get the impressions of an experienced
Pietenpol pilot about how my plane flew. He reported good findings, but
commented that it seemed a bit tricky on landing. We had a brief
discussion
about my landing gear width and how tall my Piet stands, and whether it
was
that or that he had not flown a Piet for almost a year. I discounted the
latter, and took mental note of the former. I have had difficulty
landing,
too. How prophetic=85
There is no doubt in my mind that a more experienced pilot would not
have
botched the landing the following morning. I freely admit that, at the
risk
of losing Man Points.
The only scary thing about the event, is that, after I fueled up, while
taxiing back to the runway, I noticed a little flutter in the left wing.
A
closer examination confirmed my fears. I was 5 minutes from taking off!
The rest of the good news is that I did not ground loop and the rest of
the
plane is fine.
However, I now have a better idea=85
Since I like wood gear, and tall wheels, why not copy proven builds like
Mike Cuy=92s or Jack Phillips=92! THERE, that=92s the ticket! My plane
is not home
yet, but I think my gear width is about 57=94, if I recall, and Jack=92s
is over
69=94, and not as tall!! Even Mike Groah=92s brand new, beautiful Piet,
which is
styled very similarly to mine, has a gear width of 62=94; but Mike is
also a
much better pilot than I=85and his paint job is so smooth that the wind
just
slides off without effecting him!
Take what you will from this mea culpa. I have a =91little voice=92 that
speaks
constantly to me=85but I often get confused because I hear lots of
voices!
Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Wow Gary... This just kept me from making they one call I had planned to make to
you tonight...
I'm so sorry for the turbulence. But very glad you caught that little flutter before
the run up and subsequent take off accident! The spar looks to have really
had a bad day.
I am an hour from the Los Banos airport. When you go to pick it up and need help,
please call me. My days are clear now until I get another job...
Saying a little "thank you prayer" right now for you...
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
Thanks Mike. Since the panels will be screwed down it
won't be too big a deal to change out a panel if (when? )
fuel gets on it.
I want to see it complete too!! :-) I'm working on the left
wing now.
Clif
I like it Cliff! I had originally thought of doing that on the
rear part of the CS, but have it fixed...never thought of having it as
part of the flop. I also had thought of using acyclic some places either
on the sides or bottom of the fuselage...like windows...but decided
against it.
I would like to see it when complete.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
There is a trick I learned many moons ago. You probably
have too but I'll mention it just in case. Take a light
and shine it across the floor. Any little lost part
suddenly gains a huge shadow. Now if that would
only work on grass!!!
Clif
> Make it some color that screws,nuts & bolts show up against really well.
> I'm constantly losing same on my shop floor, which is smooth, gray
> concrete - really annoying. Of course, I may just need new glasses :)
>
> Kip Gardner
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
Oh, what a beautiful airplane! Very, very nice. It has a sort of Spad XIII-like
look to it somehow.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
In case nobody mentioned it yet, most Gregas mount the landing gear legs to the
fuselage with one mount point where the wing lift strut also joins to the fuselage,
but with the other mount point non-concurrent with the other lift strut
mount point. If you look at the pix that Chris Rusch just posted of his beautiful
airplane, the side shot shows that the gear legs mount at the same spots
as the wing lift struts. Classic Air Camper configuration.
Steve, I believe you have yourself a hermaphroditic agglomeration with accretions
and synthetizations. It's an AirGregation of Piet Camper parts. I'll bet
it will fly, though. And if we were in Great Britain, you would give the Brit
"airplane spotters" a devil of a time trying to figure out what it is ;o)
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Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Steve; as you know, Scout has simple curved Plexi windscreens. Easy to make, easy
to attach, easy to replace when they get crazed or scratched. Like Scout's
are, now ;o) I really notice the scratches and crazing when flying into the
sun, but am too lazy to do anything about it. However, for a really nifty look,
go for the segmented panel ones. They are more work to make, but have some
advantages in that all the pieces of plexi are flat, so they are easy to work
with (and replace). Go right across the street to Lew Mason's and look at the
ones on his "Faker Fokker" Fly Baby. The frames are simple bent aluminum,
and the only real fitting is on the curves that follow the boot cowl, but you
can make templates out of stiff cardboard or discarded metal and then go for it.
Just don't make them too squatty... you'll regret it when flying in cooler
weather.
You can dispense with the front windscreen if you won't be flying pax, but don't
even think about flying with none at all. This is supposed to be fun, not endurance.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Now that I re-read what Hans wrote, I realize that you can really make faux segmented
windscreens by bending Lexan to form the three segments, then you could
just attach some aluminum pieces on top of the Lexan to make it look like there
are individual segments. If you wanted to make work for yourself, that is.
If you wanted to do it really faux, you could just mask off the edges of the
bent Lexan and rattle-can your way to painted-on "windscreen frames", and mount
the windscreen to the boot cowl with 4 to 6 angle clips.
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Oscar Zuniga
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Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Gary,
Zero "Man Points" lost.
Ten "Man Points" earned.
Thanks for sharing the crappy news. Hopefully others (like me) can learn from
your misfortune.
Oh, by the way, in the photo of your cracked spar, it looks like your fabric is
also torn. :)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Many of us were heart broken to hear the news about your accident on the wa
y to Frazier Lake but were elated to see you come in the door unscathed. Y
ou are one of the very good guys and we respect and treasure your and your
work. Hope to share one of those $100 hamburgers some day soon Vic NX414
MV
From: gboothe5@comcast.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead Wes
t")
All=2C
By now you should have seen the lineup of Piets that Chris Tracy posted. Pi
etenpols were coming out from under hay stacks and barn hide-aways all up a
nd down the state (or so it seemed)!
The great states of Texas and Oregon were also represented by dignitaries.
But=2C as you look at the lineup=2C there is one plane missing=85NX308MB.
Unofficially=2C =BD way thru a 2 hour leg=2C I hit extreme turbulence that
most assuredly damaged a rear spar. Yes=85I=92m sure that was it. It certai
nly wasn=92t the gentle tapping of the left wing on the runway in a right x
-wind landing. Well=2C it may have been a tid-bit more than a gentle tap=85
Kevin & Shelley flew out from Austin and spent Friday night at my new house
. Friday evening was pleasant=2C even windless=2C and Kevin took my Piet up
for a short flight. I was very keen to get the impressions of an experienc
ed Pietenpol pilot about how my plane flew. He reported good findings=2C bu
t commented that it seemed a bit tricky on landing. We had a brief discussi
on about my landing gear width and how tall my Piet stands=2C and whether i
t was that or that he had not flown a Piet for almost a year. I discounted
the latter=2C and took mental note of the former. I have had difficulty lan
ding=2C too. How prophetic=85
There is no doubt in my mind that a more experienced pilot would not have b
otched the landing the following morning. I freely admit that=2C at the ris
k of losing Man Points.
The only scary thing about the event=2C is that=2C after I fueled up=2C whi
le taxiing back to the runway=2C I noticed a little flutter in the left win
g. A closer examination confirmed my fears. I was 5 minutes from taking off
!
The rest of the good news is that I did not ground loop and the rest of the
plane is fine.
However=2C I now have a better idea=85
Since I like wood gear=2C and tall wheels=2C why not copy proven builds lik
e Mike Cuy=92s or Jack Phillips=92! THERE=2C that=92s the ticket! My plane
is not home yet=2C but I think my gear width is about 57=94=2C if I recall
=2C and Jack=92s is over 69=94=2C and not as tall!! Even Mike Groah=92s bra
nd new=2C beautiful Piet=2C which is styled very similarly to mine=2C has a
gear width of 62=94=3B but Mike is also a much better pilot than I=85and h
is paint job is so smooth that the wind just slides off without effecting h
im!
Take what you will from this mea culpa. I have a =91little voice=92 that sp
eaks constantly to me=85but I often get confused because I hear lots of voi
ces!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Gary;
Lives there the pilot who has not endured an ignominious scrape between graceful
gossamer and rough earth (or pavement)? Our airplanes are really quite delicate
things when you look at them. I was shocked, shocked to see and handle Scout's
wings when they were not rigidly braced by the cable X's and wing struts,
and to see the fuselage sitting on a trailer with no wings mounted. Really
a small and light craft, and a lot of flex when any single member is damaged
or removed.
I have felt like a small and light human while sitting in the cockpit, traversing
some thermals and turbulence and wind. The whole thing is really quite amazing
when you look at it. The strength comes from the geometry, not from sheer
mass. If you take away any of the geometry, the thing collapses like a $2 suitcase.
Take a look at the "Pietenpile" from Sun N Fun a few years ago, or the
crumpled wing of Mountain Piet. Without the rigidly triangulated structure,
the airplane is nothing but a bag of bones inside a very thin fabric bag.
Still, it is amazing and it is forgiving, and now you have one more story to tell
over a pint of microbrew. "There I was, flat on my back, sun in my face, when
I felt the Hun's hot breath on my tail... and felt the sting of hot lead trace
a row of holes through my wing spar." OK, so it's a crack in the spar and
not a row of 7.92mm bullet holes ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Oh, man-! Scout and I will make the journey in 2014 for sure! If nothing else,
I've simply got to do a formation flight off of Mike Madrid's wing! His airplane
and Scout look very much alike.
I should be able to give rides to anyone who can fit into the front cockpit of
an Air Camper without spreading margarine all over yourself first. And if you're
taildragger current and willing, I'll fly front cockpit and YOU can fly Scout.
I love going for rides!
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead |
West")
You should have seen us all wince when he stabbed a knife into the wing to
cut the fabric open near the crack. We all knew the fabric was going to come
off but it still hurt.
Chris
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 8:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead
West")
--> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Gary,
Zero "Man Points" lost.
Ten "Man Points" earned.
Thanks for sharing the crappy news. Hopefully others (like me) can learn
from your misfortune.
Oh, by the way, in the photo of your cracked spar, it looks like your fabric
is also torn. :)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
Way cool!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Very very nice....
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 7:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WIGS ARE ON!
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Moved my piet to the airport over the weekend, i am going to have it on
ststic display for the Manitowoc (KMTW)airshow this coming weekend if anyone
is in the area.
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