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1. 04:30 AM - Re: WIGS ARE ON! (Michael Perez)
2. 04:33 AM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (Jack Phillips)
3. 04:39 AM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (Jack)
4. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (airlion2@gmail.com)
5. 05:34 AM - Re: WINGS ARE ON! (Chris Rusch)
6. 05:40 AM - Re: WINGS ARE ON! (Chris Rusch)
7. 05:42 AM - Re: WINGS ARE ON! (Chris Rusch)
8. 07:24 AM - Cable ends!!! (tkreiner)
9. 07:39 AM - Re: Cable ends!!! (Bill Church)
10. 07:48 AM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (Don Emch)
11. 08:07 AM - Re: Cable ends!!! (tkreiner)
12. 10:29 AM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (nightmare)
13. 02:37 PM - Cream puff ? (bender)
14. 02:43 PM - Re: Cream puff ? (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
15. 05:14 PM - Re: Cream puff ? (AircamperN11MS)
16. 05:58 PM - squirrelly on the gear (taildrags)
17. 06:00 PM - Re: hangar floor color (dgaldrich)
18. 06:05 PM - horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat (pringljo)
19. 06:09 PM - Re: squirrelly on the gear (Gary Boothe)
20. 06:18 PM - Re: horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
21. 06:20 PM - Congrats to John Francis - First Solo ()
22. 06:23 PM - Re: Cream puff ? (bender)
23. 06:27 PM - Re: horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat (nightmare)
24. 06:29 PM - Re: horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat (nightmare)
25. 06:32 PM - Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo (nightmare)
26. 06:41 PM - Re: horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat (pringljo)
27. 06:42 PM - Congratulations Jeff Faith! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
28. 06:44 PM - Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo (Gary Boothe)
29. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (Gary Boothe)
30. 07:07 PM - NOT Going Thru Build Withdrawal (Gary Boothe)
31. 07:10 PM - Re: Re: Cream puff ? (Jack Phillips)
32. 07:19 PM - Re: Congratulations Jeff Faith! (bender)
33. 07:20 PM - Re: Cream puff ? (AircamperN11MS)
34. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank pictures (Rick Schreiber)
35. 07:25 PM - Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo (AircamperN11MS)
36. 09:45 PM - Re: squirrelly on the gear (Mark Roberts)
37. 09:58 PM - Re: Re: squirrelly on the gear (The real bike Mike)
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| Subject: | Re: WIGS ARE ON! |
GREAT!- The paint scheme is very cool.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
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| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Gary,
I=92m sorry to hear about the mishap, but glad you=92re OK. Planes can
be
rebuilt. People are more difficult (although Kevin tried to prove that
people are easier to rebuild than airplanes).
Pietenpols aren=92t the easiest planes to land in a crosswind ' the
ailerons
are just not very responsive. Do you have gap seals on your ailerons?
That
vastly improves responsiveness, changing it from non-existent to barely
adequate. I find that in a gusty crosswind a wheel landing works better
because you can touch down at a faster speed, giving better control.
Narrow
gear certainly adds to the challenge, but once the wind gets under the
wing,
wide gear won=92t help too much.
Looking at your pictures, that spar really got whacked! Note the chunk
of
spar material OUTSIDE the plywood doubler! That looks like Sitka Spruce
but
I=92m not sure. What material did you use for your spars?
As Douwe and Kevin, and Andrew Eldridge, Gardiner Mason and a few others
on
the list (including myself) can attest, rebuilding your dream is tough,
but
admirable. A few years from now this will be just a distant memory and
you=92ll have many years of pleasant flying in your creation. The good
news
is, since it is already certified, you won=92t have to get it inspected
again.
This is just a repair.
Good luck and press on! Just feel sorry for those that have finished
their
Pietenpols recently and are now going through build withdrawal.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead
West")
All,
By now you should have seen the lineup of Piets that Chris Tracy posted.
Pietenpols were coming out from under hay stacks and barn hide-aways all
up
and down the state (or so it seemed)!
The great states of Texas and Oregon were also represented by
dignitaries.
But, as you look at the lineup, there is one plane missing=85NX308MB.
Unofficially, =BD way thru a 2 hour leg, I hit extreme turbulence that
most
assuredly damaged a rear spar. Yes=85I=92m sure that was it. It
certainly wasn=92t
the gentle tapping of the left wing on the runway in a right x-wind
landing.
Well, it may have been a tid-bit more than a gentle tap=85
Kevin & Shelley flew out from Austin and spent Friday night at my new
house.
Friday evening was pleasant, even windless, and Kevin took my Piet up
for a
short flight. I was very keen to get the impressions of an experienced
Pietenpol pilot about how my plane flew. He reported good findings, but
commented that it seemed a bit tricky on landing. We had a brief
discussion
about my landing gear width and how tall my Piet stands, and whether it
was
that or that he had not flown a Piet for almost a year. I discounted the
latter, and took mental note of the former. I have had difficulty
landing,
too. How prophetic=85
There is no doubt in my mind that a more experienced pilot would not
have
botched the landing the following morning. I freely admit that, at the
risk
of losing Man Points.
The only scary thing about the event, is that, after I fueled up, while
taxiing back to the runway, I noticed a little flutter in the left wing.
A
closer examination confirmed my fears. I was 5 minutes from taking off!
The rest of the good news is that I did not ground loop and the rest of
the
plane is fine.
However, I now have a better idea=85
Since I like wood gear, and tall wheels, why not copy proven builds like
Mike Cuy=92s or Jack Phillips=92! THERE, that=92s the ticket! My plane
is not home
yet, but I think my gear width is about 57=94, if I recall, and Jack=92s
is over
69=94, and not as tall!! Even Mike Groah=92s brand new, beautiful Piet,
which is
styled very similarly to mine, has a gear width of 62=94; but Mike is
also a
much better pilot than I=85and his paint job is so smooth that the wind
just
slides off without effecting him!
Take what you will from this mea culpa. I have a =91little voice=92 that
speaks
constantly to me=85but I often get confused because I hear lots of
voices!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Wow Gery so glad you caught it!
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 8:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead
West")
All,
By now you should have seen the lineup of Piets that Chris Tracy posted.
Pietenpols were coming out from under hay stacks and barn hide-aways all
up
and down the state (or so it seemed)!
The great states of Texas and Oregon were also represented by
dignitaries.
But, as you look at the lineup, there is one plane missing=85NX308MB.
Unofficially, =BD way thru a 2 hour leg, I hit extreme turbulence that
most
assuredly damaged a rear spar. Yes=85I=92m sure that was it. It
certainly wasn=92t
the gentle tapping of the left wing on the runway in a right x-wind
landing.
Well, it may have been a tid-bit more than a gentle tap=85
Kevin & Shelley flew out from Austin and spent Friday night at my new
house.
Friday evening was pleasant, even windless, and Kevin took my Piet up
for a
short flight. I was very keen to get the impressions of an experienced
Pietenpol pilot about how my plane flew. He reported good findings, but
commented that it seemed a bit tricky on landing. We had a brief
discussion
about my landing gear width and how tall my Piet stands, and whether it
was
that or that he had not flown a Piet for almost a year. I discounted the
latter, and took mental note of the former. I have had difficulty
landing,
too. How prophetic=85
There is no doubt in my mind that a more experienced pilot would not
have
botched the landing the following morning. I freely admit that, at the
risk
of losing Man Points.
The only scary thing about the event, is that, after I fueled up, while
taxiing back to the runway, I noticed a little flutter in the left wing.
A
closer examination confirmed my fears. I was 5 minutes from taking off!
The rest of the good news is that I did not ground loop and the rest of
the
plane is fine.
However, I now have a better idea=85
Since I like wood gear, and tall wheels, why not copy proven builds like
Mike Cuy=92s or Jack Phillips=92! THERE, that=92s the ticket! My plane
is not home
yet, but I think my gear width is about 57=94, if I recall, and Jack=92s
is over
69=94, and not as tall!! Even Mike Groah=92s brand new, beautiful Piet,
which is
styled very similarly to mine, has a gear width of 62=94; but Mike is
also a
much better pilot than I=85and his paint job is so smooth that the wind
just
slides off without effecting him!
Take what you will from this mea culpa. I have a =91little voice=92 that
speaks
constantly to me=85but I often get confused because I hear lots of
voices!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead |
West")
Sorry about your mishap Gary. And I am glad you caught the wing flutter in time.
I wish I could have taken a picture of the flutter in my wings while I was in
that tornado. I was too busy cussing.GARDINER
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:41 PM, "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Wow Gary... This just kept me from making they one call I had planned to make
to you tonight...
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> I'm so sorry for the turbulence. But very glad you caught that little flutter
before the run up and subsequent take off accident! The spar looks to have really
had a bad day.
>
> I am an hour from the Los Banos airport. When you go to pick it up and need help,
please call me. My days are clear now until I get another job...
>
> Saying a little "thank you prayer" right now for you...
>
> Mark
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
Sounds good, but where is HFX?
[quote="jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc."]Looks Great Chris!
We will have to barnstorm sometime. There are two of us at HXF with Piets.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com (jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com)
On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:13 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
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> It's beautiful, Chris!!
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
Thanks for all of the positive inputs, it really helps keeping the drive alive!
One thing ive noticed is it a real pain in the a@#$ getting anything done at the
airport, i never seem to have brought enough or the right amount of anything.....went
out last night for a few hours and nothing got done cause i was either
missing something or i didnt have the right tool. I should have kept it at
my home shop longer where all the right stuff is a few steps away. It is nice
seeing it all put together, but i realized quickly how much little stuff is left
to do......so my dream of making it to brodhead this year doesnt look like
its gonna happen..
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ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
Oh, i typed in in wrong, its Hatrford!! yea that will work!
[quote="Chris Rusch"]Sounds good, but where is HFX?
jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc. wrote:
> Looks Great Chris!
>
> We will have to barnstorm sometime. There are two of us at HXF with Piets.
>
>
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com (jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com)
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> On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:13 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
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> > NX308MB
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Guys,
Take a look at this auction!
53 3/32 dia. HIGH $$$ crimp cable ends for $14. Do all your 3/32 cable ends with
these for less than ACS wants for 1 piece.
Here's the link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161031889608?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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| Subject: | Re: Cable ends!!! |
Tom,
Like you said, "take a look at this auction!".
The $14 price is for each cable end.
The whole bag of 53 will run $742.
(darned fine print)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Sorry to hear about it Gary. Those are tough pictures to look at. ...."there's
those that have and those that will..." I'm in the "have" group. I've learned
that you haven't fully felt the airplane out until you've felt it go "out".
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Cable ends!!! |
OH NOOOOOOO!
Sorry about that!
Please delete, destroy, whatever...
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Gary; soooo sorry! no two ways to say it, that just sucks! Glad your ok, and atleast
you didn't have a prop strike. could have been a much more expensive rebuild
if thinks went slightly worse.
Sounds like the taller gear are a little more squirrely. If you don't mind,
(and if you do mind, i understand), could you share in what way your aircraft
is a little tricky to land? did you run out of rudder, slow roll rate, is it
squirrely just on the tailwheel or while just on the mains......... this info
would help some of us in the build stage to make some gear config decisions.
maybe we should start a new thread having piet owners state the particulars
of their gear setup. (height, width, size tires, and type of tailwheel, swiveling,
castoring, fixed). how they feel they handle and what they would do differently
to make the plane more docile if needed.
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Started 8-3-12
do not archive
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So tell me its a cream puff before I go fly..
I've run out of things to do.. and it seems its time to try her out
I've heard that it flys kinda like a cub and kinda like the Ragwing designs..
I hope so.. the Ragwing special I built was easy as pie to fly
haven't been in a cub in a while... but I learned to fly in one
I did find a 4 leaf clover today
jeff
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Do it...................!!!
Brian
SLC-UT
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cream puff ?
--> <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
So tell me its a cream puff before I go fly..
I've run out of things to do.. and it seems its time to try her out
I've heard that it flys kinda like a cub and kinda like the Ragwing
designs..
I hope so.. the Ragwing special I built was easy as pie to fly haven't
been in a cub in a while... but I learned to fly in one I did find a 4
leaf clover today
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| Subject: | Re: Cream puff ? |
Jeff, I have about 11 hours in my buddies rag wing. In fact I did the first flights
on it. His rag wing liked three point takeoffs and landings. Wheel landings
and takeoffs were difficult and a waste of time since it would be air born
:n half the distance it would take to get the tail off the ground. That said.
Once in the air, they fly very much alike and bleed off airspeed very quickly
during the flare. I would think that if you understand the rag wing you will
not have any problems with the Piet. Go fly it and have fun.
Great looking plane
Happy Landings,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | squirrelly on the gear |
I changed the subject line ;o) Gary, what is the track (distance between contact
patches) of your mains? I know there's a word for it but I can't remember
it right now. Just interested in comparing that dimension between airplanes,
as I'm sure it does have some effect on ground handling.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
My personal experience with 2 hangars and one large shop---
Taxi on down to Sherwin-Williams and talk to the guy that sells the commercial
stuff, not the gawky looking guy who has mastered the paint color machine but
the older guy who can find the commercial catalog. Ask for Armorseal 1000-HS.
This is a 2 part epoxy favored by guys with those beautiful commercial hangars
where you can eat off the floors. Carefully READ and HEED the preparation
instructions and be prepared for sticker shock at the cost of the stuff. Once
you're over that and have it applied according to instructions, it will be there
forever. I have spilled every chemical available at Home depot as well as
brake fluid, avgas, and muriatic acid (diluted) on mine with no ill affects.
Now in fairness, I have NOT tried Skydrol but it's not really on the list of
likely hangar spills in GA. About the only way the stuff comes up is with a cold
chisel but that's tough on the concrete. I have discovered that T-88 DOES
stick to it so trying to pry up drips WILL remove the paint and a thin layer
of concrete.
The big box stores do sell a variety of so called epoxy floor paints but the car
guy forums have come to the conclusion that they are crap. Now that may be
because car guys refuse to read instructions as well as torque tables so it's
really a caveat emptor deal. I coughed up the bucks to do it right and have been
VERY pleased.
Dave
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| Subject: | horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat |
So, I glued up my HS this weekend, and after taking it out of the jig, I found
that it is not perfectly flat. On one end I get a little bit of rise on one corner.
Possibly 1/16th of an inch. Maybe less. It's not visibly twisted. Just a
little tiny bit off.
It's all set up solidly. Is this ruined? I really don't know how much forgiveness
there is in a situation like this.
I'm really discouraged. Please advise
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Atlanta, GA
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| Subject: | squirrelly on the gear |
Measured it tonight when we got her home...52". But I did not measure the
gear height (that should be important, too).
Gary Boothe
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Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 5:59 PM
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I changed the subject line ;o) Gary, what is the track (distance between
contact patches) of your mains? I know there's a word for it but I can't
remember it right now. Just interested in comparing that dimension between
airplanes, as I'm sure it does have some effect on ground handling.
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Oscar Zuniga
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Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
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| Subject: | horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat |
Joe,
I'm amazed your horizontal stabilizer is only 1/16" of an inch 'not flat'. You
have nothing to worry about. The four 3/32" cables
that will attach your stabilizer will also act as rigging and truing adjustments
with the turnbuckles back there. You just use a digital
(or level) angle finder on your stab to get all of your cables tight and your horizontal
stabilizer running true to the longerons or line of flight.
Mike C.
PS--twang all of the cables and try to get them to twang in the approximate same
key. My 82 year old Charles Taylor Award winning
IA helped me with that bit of advice. It worked.
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| Subject: | Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
Friends,
Our fellow Piet builder John Francis (Russia OH) just completed his private
pilot solo! Please join me in congratulating a first class guy on his
accomplishment. Now, we both just need to complete our Piets and fly them
to broadhead in the near future.
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Cream puff ? |
Well it worked. . Pitch sensitive for sure. ..
My radiator is a little small I guess. .. it was a bit warm in flight. .
Airspeed seemed off at first but in downwind it was on 50 kts Just under 2000 rpm
Landing was ugly but it was the first. Photos soon. . My Facebook page has videos
from friends already
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat |
Joe: guess it depends on how much of a difference between the high and low side.
you may want to temporarily mount it on a piece of wood resembling the footprint
of the fuselage , then pull or push the points where the cables will be
attached. Then run a straight edge across the entire length of the stabilizer
to see if it is still higher on one side. If its straight, I would feel good using
it, knowing that the cables will take out the warp.
If still have a high side, you still may be able to use it by building up the
low end with some t88 and strips of ply, then sanding down the opposite side
so that the whole piece is straight.
Hope this makes sense. I have never had to do this, just off top of my head
what you may be able to do. Good luck.
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat |
I dont believe I typed all that to reread and see you only had 1/16 difference
off. Man I wish I had your problems. Your doing great, dont sweat it.
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
Way to go Joe. Did they cut your tailfeathers? Do they still do that? Cut the back
of your shirt?
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat |
Thanks for the reassurance. I realize I am probably over thinking this a bit. Just
a little hyped up about starting this build, that I have been dreaming about
for so many years. I'm confident it will be fine.
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Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
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| Subject: | Congratulations Jeff Faith! |
Way to go man! You did a good landing gear test on your maiden flight. Good,
check that off on your list. I did the same!
You can sleep great tonight. Well done. Now the best part of your project
begins---having fun flying it!
Michael Cuy
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| Subject: | Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
Congratulations, John!!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
Friends,
Our fellow Piet builder John Francis (Russia OH) just completed his private
pilot solo! Please join me in congratulating a first class guy on his
accomplishment. Now, we both just need to complete our Piets and fly them
to broadhead in the near future.
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead |
West")
Paul,
As Kevin pointed out to me, the correct aircraft terminology is not
'squirrelly', but 'tippy'. Tippy in the sense that it tips over (;-))... and
scrapes wing tips! Not only did I have this issue, but also my 15,000 hr
flight instructor/test pilot who had a minor scrape a few weeks ago. I think
I may have posted two wheel dimensions of 52 and 57", but the correct number
is 52" from center to center of the tires. I have 21" Harley Sportster
wheels (which have done quite well with my side-load testing program, I
might say), but I do not know the height at this moment.
Rebuild, which is really minor, will also consist of remaking the gear to a
wider, lower stance....do NOT want to be tippy...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 10:29 AM
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West")
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Gary; soooo sorry! no two ways to say it, that just sucks! Glad your ok, and
atleast you didn't have a prop strike. could have been a much more expensive
rebuild if thinks went slightly worse.
Sounds like the taller gear are a little more squirrely. If you don't
mind, (and if you do mind, i understand), could you share in what way your
aircraft is a little tricky to land? did you run out of rudder, slow roll
rate, is it squirrely just on the tailwheel or while just on the
mains......... this info would help some of us in the build stage to make
some gear config decisions.
maybe we should start a new thread having piet owners state the
particulars of their gear setup. (height, width, size tires, and type of
tailwheel, swiveling, castoring, fixed). how they feel they handle and what
they would do differently to make the plane more docile if needed.
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| Subject: | NOT Going Thru Build Withdrawal |
Thanks, Jack!
My ailerons have continuous hinges.
Although there has been much conversation about gear width, I am willing
to
bet that you, Mike or Kevin, or a number of other experience Piet pilots
would not have botched that landing. I am awakening to the realization
of
how actively one must stay involved with this plane! It is not forgiving
like a Cub, T-craft or Cessna, and must be correctly handled, especially
at
landings. My goal with revamping the gear is to give myself a little
more
margin for error.
My spars are fir. When I get the fabric off, I will be looking for any
flaws
I can find in the grain, but really don=92t expect to reveal anything.
As you
noted, that chunk of spar outside the doubler really indicates just how
far
that spar was bent!...pretty cool!
I take console in being just like you, Kevin, Douwe, Andrew, Gardiner,
and a
few others! ;-)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 4:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka:
"Brodhead
West")
Gary,
I=92m sorry to hear about the mishap, but glad you=92re OK. Planes can
be
rebuilt. People are more difficult (although Kevin tried to prove that
people are easier to rebuild than airplanes).
Pietenpols aren=92t the easiest planes to land in a crosswind ' the
ailerons
are just not very responsive. Do you have gap seals on your ailerons?
That
vastly improves responsiveness, changing it from non-existent to barely
adequate. I find that in a gusty crosswind a wheel landing works better
because you can touch down at a faster speed, giving better control.
Narrow
gear certainly adds to the challenge, but once the wind gets under the
wing,
wide gear won=92t help too much.
Looking at your pictures, that spar really got whacked! Note the chunk
of
spar material OUTSIDE the plywood doubler! That looks like Sitka Spruce
but
I=92m not sure. What material did you use for your spars?
As Douwe and Kevin, and Andrew Eldridge, Gardiner Mason and a few others
on
the list (including myself) can attest, rebuilding your dream is tough,
but
admirable. A few years from now this will be just a distant memory and
you=92ll have many years of pleasant flying in your creation. The good
news
is, since it is already certified, you won=92t have to get it inspected
again.
This is just a repair.
Good luck and press on! Just feel sorry for those that have finished
their
Pietenpols recently and are now going through build withdrawal.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead
West")
All,
By now you should have seen the lineup of Piets that Chris Tracy posted.
Pietenpols were coming out from under hay stacks and barn hide-aways all
up
and down the state (or so it seemed)!
The great states of Texas and Oregon were also represented by
dignitaries.
But, as you look at the lineup, there is one plane missing=85NX308MB.
Unofficially, =BD way thru a 2 hour leg, I hit extreme turbulence that
most
assuredly damaged a rear spar. Yes=85I=92m sure that was it. It
certainly wasn=92t
the gentle tapping of the left wing on the runway in a right x-wind
landing.
Well, it may have been a tid-bit more than a gentle tap=85
Kevin & Shelley flew out from Austin and spent Friday night at my new
house.
Friday evening was pleasant, even windless, and Kevin took my Piet up
for a
short flight. I was very keen to get the impressions of an experienced
Pietenpol pilot about how my plane flew. He reported good findings, but
commented that it seemed a bit tricky on landing. We had a brief
discussion
about my landing gear width and how tall my Piet stands, and whether it
was
that or that he had not flown a Piet for almost a year. I discounted the
latter, and took mental note of the former. I have had difficulty
landing,
too. How prophetic=85
There is no doubt in my mind that a more experienced pilot would not
have
botched the landing the following morning. I freely admit that, at the
risk
of losing Man Points.
The only scary thing about the event, is that, after I fueled up, while
taxiing back to the runway, I noticed a little flutter in the left wing.
A
closer examination confirmed my fears. I was 5 minutes from taking off!
The rest of the good news is that I did not ground loop and the rest of
the
plane is fine.
However, I now have a better idea=85
Since I like wood gear, and tall wheels, why not copy proven builds like
Mike Cuy=92s or Jack Phillips=92! THERE, that=92s the ticket! My plane
is not home
yet, but I think my gear width is about 57=94, if I recall, and Jack=92s
is over
69=94, and not as tall!! Even Mike Groah=92s brand new, beautiful Piet,
which is
styled very similarly to mine, has a gear width of 62=94; but Mike is
also a
much better pilot than I=85and his paint job is so smooth that the wind
just
slides off without effecting him!
Take what you will from this mea culpa. I have a =91little voice=92 that
speaks
constantly to me=85but I often get confused because I hear lots of
voices!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Cream puff ? |
Way to go, Jeff! There's absolutely no better feeling than the first flight
in a plane you built yourself. Welcome to a very elite group. Pilots
represent about 1/2 of 1% of the US population. People who start building
their own airplanes are probably less than 10% of the pilot population, and
of those who start to build, less than 25% ever finish their projects, so
you are now a member of a very exclusive group.
Now hurry and fly the 40 hours off so you can bring it to Brodhead this
year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cream puff ?
Well it worked. . Pitch sensitive for sure. ..
My radiator is a little small I guess. .. it was a bit warm in flight. .
Airspeed seemed off at first but in downwind it was on 50 kts Just under
2000 rpm
Landing was ugly but it was the first. Photos soon. . My Facebook page has
videos from friends already
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Congratulations Jeff Faith! |
Thanks Mike. .
I'm glad the airframe worked. . The engine and prop worked great just got a little
warm. I think I need a little bigger radiator. I knew mind was small. . Had
my hopes that it would work.
Small change. .. I'll make it happen fast
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Cream puff ? |
Congratulations Jeff,
Keep us up to date please. Those first flights and their stories that follow give
us all warn fuzzy feelings. How long was your flight?
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank pictures |
On 6/1/2013 11:53 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Rick; nice tank! Very similar to mine, except yours holds more fuel. One thing
I will point out, something that I learned from the nose-over, is that the
front crossmember that the tank support straps mount to can be a weak point.
Take a look at the second picture here:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/fueltank.html
>
> The member cracked right where the strap fastening bolt (AN3) goes through, and
the small gusset glue joints at the uprights let go. When I rebuilt the support
crossmember, I made it a little deeper (I think I used 1"x3/4") and more
generous support haunches at the uprights, to provide more glue surface. If
you haven't covered up the front with your firewall yet, you may consider installing
corner gusset 'haunches' where the crossmember attaches to the uprights.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
Oscar,
Thanks for the compliment. Actually my tank is based on yours(Corky's)
and Mike Cuy. The front support member on mine is 1-1/4 by 1-1/2 white
ash. Hopefully it will never be tested. The firewall is in place, so
there is not much I could do to improve it now.
Today was a good day in the construction saga. The ignition wiring was
completed and the Corvair had oil added for the first time. Tomorrow I
will finish installing the starter. If all goes well I will circulate
the oil, hook up the battery and try the starter. Once the prop is on I
will be ready for first engine start.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
Great job John
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
Hey guys,
If memory serves me (I don't have the plans in front of me), the wooden gear had
a 48" wide tire-to-tire width. Or is that the "improved" gear... Either way,
it sounds too narrow.
But, I could see the width being 48" if it didn't sit high as it would with the
Jenny style original gear (wooden)...
Thoughts? I had heard that some of ya'll are making the wooden gear wider to begin
with, over and above what the plans call for...
I am planning my gear build now, after I get the stick assembly completed.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
56" tread, center to center, steel gear, individually sprung (bungeed).
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Hey guys,
If memory serves me (I don't have the plans in front of me), the wooden gear
had a 48" wide tire-to-tire width. Or is that the "improved" gear... Either
way, it sounds too narrow.
But, I could see the width being 48" if it didn't sit high as it would with
the Jenny style original gear (wooden)...
Thoughts? I had heard that some of ya'll are making the wooden gear wider to
begin with, over and above what the plans call for...
I am planning my gear build now, after I get the stick assembly completed.
Thanks!
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