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1. 03:07 AM - Re: Congratulations Jeff Faith! (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 03:08 AM - Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:04 AM - Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo (jarheadpilot82)
4. 04:05 AM - Re: Re: hangar floor color (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
5. 04:47 AM - Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo (John Francis)
6. 04:49 AM - Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo (Michael Perez)
7. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo (C N Campbell)
8. 05:27 AM - Pietenpol Picnic (Bill Church)
9. 05:55 AM - Re: Pietenpol Picnic (Gary Boothe)
10. 05:56 AM - Re: Re: hangar floor color (Gary Boothe)
11. 06:25 AM - Re: Pietenpol Picnic (Bill Church)
12. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: squirrelly on the gear (C N Campbell)
13. 06:40 AM - Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo (Amsafetyc)
14. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: hangar floor color (Marcus Zechini)
15. 07:03 AM - hangar floor color (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
16. 07:17 AM - Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo (VanDy)
17. 07:54 AM - N1929F Flight (bender)
18. 08:48 AM - Re: N1929F Flight (BYD)
19. 08:50 AM - Re: N1929F Flight (VanDy)
20. 09:00 AM - Re: horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat (taildrags)
21. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (V Groah)
22. 09:09 AM - Re: squirrelly on the gear (Mark Roberts)
23. 09:10 AM - Re: Pietenpol Picnic (Jim Boyer)
24. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Cream puff ? (C N Campbell)
25. 09:39 AM - Re: Cream puff ? (AircamperN11MS)
26. 09:43 AM - Re: Cream puff ? (AircamperN11MS)
27. 09:50 AM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (echobravo4)
28. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: squirrelly on the gear (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
29. 10:48 AM - Re: Pietenpol Picnic (Gary Boothe)
30. 10:55 AM - Tight bungees (Gary Boothe)
31. 12:34 PM - Re: Tight bungees (tools)
32. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
33. 01:50 PM - bungee tips--long (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
34. 02:04 PM - Re: squirrelly on the gear (Mark Roberts)
35. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Tight bungees (V Groah)
36. 02:38 PM - Re: Pietenpol Picnic (Charles Burkholder)
37. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: squirrelly on the gear (Jack Phillips)
38. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Picnic (Clif Dawson)
39. 08:54 PM - Re: N1929F Flight (Mark Roberts)
40. 09:58 PM - Re: Pietenpol Picnic (tdudley@umn.edu)
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| Subject: | Re: Congratulations Jeff Faith! |
Way to go Jeff!! Congratulations my friend. Now you can go out and enjoy it
. But like us all, now a few tweaks here and there to get her right.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL (for a few more days)
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
Congratulations John!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: rdewenter <rdewenter@woh.rr.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 8:20 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
Friends,
Our fellow Piet builder John Francis (Russia OH) just completed his private
pilot solo! Please join me in congratulating a first class guy on his
accomplishment. Now, we both just need to complete our Piets and fly them
to broadhead in the near future.
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
Congratulations, John! What an awesome accomplishment. Keep on going, and you will
be done with your training and checkride before you know it.
And thanks to Bob for bringing it to our attention.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
UNCLASSIFIED
My Son's ex-wife's boyfriend (In Arkansas that is considered a relative) does concrete
work. He recommends acid stain with an acrylic sealant.
Any thoughts?
I have not been happy looking at the sparse selection at Lowe's and Home Depot.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
Thanks all. Bob just happened to be at the airport last night when I soloed.
He stayed hidden from my view until it was all over. It was good to have him
there as we both have been following each others progress of building and flying
Pietenpols.
My instructor did the shirt thing but had warned me to wear an old shirt. A picture
is attached.
The first aircraft we took up had a strange shutter to it for just a second on
our first trip around the pattern. It happened again on the second and third
trip when the check flight instructor said this isn't going to work. I thought
we were done for the night but fortunately another plane was available. We
went up again for two landings in that aircraft and he said I was good to go.
I was more nervous during the check flight than I was during the solo. I can
round it all up by quoting Neil Armstrong when was asked how the lunar landing
went. He replied, "Just like drill".
John
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
John, congratulations! I am looking forward to that day for myself. Hearing
this keeps me motivated.- Good for you!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
John, first, let me be about the 25th to congratulate you on your first
solo. The shirt bit reminds me of an incident when I was instructing
private license students. One of my students dressed like he was going to a
party every day. On the "appointed" day he came to the airport with a
shirst that must have cost 15 times what a normal shirt would have cost.
After his first solo I told him I had to cut the back out of a shirt and
suggested he go change into a less costly shirt. He said, "No, I want the
back out of the one I soloed in." So I cut the back out (all the way to his
shoulder blades) and he was so proud of that shirt. It's probably still
hanging in the ready room at the airport -- I haven't been out there
recently -- He went on to get his Commercial, Instrument, and Multiengine
ratings. He was probably my best Primary student, although I had a bunch.
Congratulations, again. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 7:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
>
> Thanks all. Bob just happened to be at the airport last night when I
> soloed. He stayed hidden from my view until it was all over. It was good
> to have him there as we both have been following each others progress of
> building and flying Pietenpols.
>
> My instructor did the shirt thing but had warned me to wear an old shirt.
> A picture is attached.
>
> The first aircraft we took up had a strange shutter to it for just a
> second on our first trip around the pattern. It happened again on the
> second and third trip when the check flight instructor said this isn't
> going to work. I thought we were done for the night but fortunately
> another plane was available. We went up again for two landings in that
> aircraft and he said I was good to go. I was more nervous during the
> check flight than I was during the solo. I can round it all up by quoting
> Neil Armstrong when was asked how the lunar landing went. He replied,
> "Just like drill".
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402056#402056
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07905_155.jpg
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>
>
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Picnic |
Just received this announcement, with instructions to "spread the word". So that's
what I'm doing now. This will be of interest to anyone within traveling
distance of southern Ontario (Canada). If you need more detailed directions or
info, please contact me.
> June 15th Twenty third annual Pietenpol Picnic at the farm of Hope and Brian
Kenney for lovers of this iconic open cockpit homebuilt aircraft. 10 am to
dusk lunch provided. Farm located at 374 Concession 7E in East Flamborough.
Camping spots for Friday or Saturday are available. RAA chapter barbeque on the
field Friday evening. Runway is 14-32 and we ask spam-cans to park at the south
end of the field. Circuits for 32 are right hand.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Picnic |
DANG!...and this was the year I was going to fly out for that!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 5:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Picnic
--> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Just received this announcement, with instructions to "spread the word". So that's
what I'm doing now. This will be of interest to anyone within traveling
distance of southern Ontario (Canada). If you need more detailed directions or
info, please contact me.
> June 15th Twenty third annual Pietenpol Picnic at the farm of Hope and Brian
Kenney for lovers of this iconic open cockpit homebuilt aircraft. 10 am to
dusk lunch provided. Farm located at 374 Concession 7E in East Flamborough.
Camping spots for Friday or Saturday are available. RAA chapter barbeque on the
field Friday evening. Runway is 14-32 and we ask spam-cans to park at the south
end of the field. Circuits for 32 are right hand.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
Inexpensive, but won't hold up to solvents.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar floor color
--> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
UNCLASSIFIED
My Son's ex-wife's boyfriend (In Arkansas that is considered a relative)
does concrete work. He recommends acid stain with an acrylic sealant.
Any thoughts?
I have not been happy looking at the sparse selection at Lowe's and Home
Depot.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Picnic |
Of all the luck...
On the other hand, you could still drive. Google maps says it would only be a
37 hour drive (each way) for you, Gary.
To put things in perspective for others, it's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Buffalo,
NY, and about 3 hours drive from Detroit, MI.
> Gary wrote:
> DANG!...and this was the year I was going to fly out for that!
>
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| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
The only landing gear plans I have are of the split axel gear with Cub type
wheels (which I am going to use). The dimensions given show the gear is 56
inches wide from the centers of the wheels and the height as 48.5 inches
from the top longeron to the ground. OOPS -- I did find a dimension of 51
inches from the top longeron to the ground for the Large Wheel version. It
doesn't give a tread width. In the Pietenpol book, there is a drawing of
the original wooden landing gear with the large wheels. The dimension
between the wooden landing gear struts is 42-1/2 inches measured from the
inside of the bottom white ash blocks. The height from the bottom of the
fuselage at the forward landing gear fitting to the bottom of the white ash
block is 17 inches. Does this help? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> If memory serves me (I don't have the plans in front of me), the wooden
> gear had a 48" wide tire-to-tire width. Or is that the "improved" gear...
> Either way, it sounds too narrow.
>
> But, I could see the width being 48" if it didn't sit high as it would
> with the Jenny style original gear (wooden)...
>
> Thoughts? I had heard that some of ya'll are making the wooden gear wider
> to begin with, over and above what the plans call for...
>
> I am planning my gear build now, after I get the stick assembly completed.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402046#402046
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
What he said!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 5, 2013, at 6:08 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Congratulations John!!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rdewenter <rdewenter@woh.rr.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 8:20 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
>
>
> Friends,
>
> Our fellow Piet builder John Francis (Russia OH) just completed his privat
e
> pilot solo! Please join me in congratulating a first class guy on his
> accomplishment. Now, we both just need to complete our Piets and fly them
> to broadhead in the near future.
>
> Bob Dewenter
> Dayton OH
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
I always wanted a snazzy garage floor with the spatter paint intended for
them. I realize now, that I spend enough time looking for dropped
fasteners, etc. Would paint floor a solid color. Concrete is slick when
wet, so I thought of the textured deck sealer we've put on our sidewalk. It
is steep, so the no-slip stuff is great. Not sure how that would hold up to
solvents. Oil would NEVER come out, and it is expensive.
I am going to turn a pole barin into a garage/shop by pouring concrete in
existing structure. I am interested in this thread, of course.
M. "Zeke" Zechini
Piet GN-1 NX431LA
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Inexpensive, but won't hold up to solvents.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 4:05 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar floor color
>
> --> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> My Son's ex-wife's boyfriend (In Arkansas that is considered a relative)
> does concrete work. He recommends acid stain with an acrylic sealant.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> I have not been happy looking at the sparse selection at Lowe's and Home
> Depot.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
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| Subject: | hangar floor color |
I say paint it in latex to match your house and your fabric:)
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
I must have just missed you last night John! I left shortly after you landed the
rough running one, I had to run up to Moraine to take care of an ELT battery
for a guy. But Congrats!!! and be glad you don't have to wear the silly uniform....
Bob, what days are you usually up there at MGY?
--------
www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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not great quality but here is a video of the first takeoff
wife commentary and all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlesP2y0cKM
I had some water coming out of the overflow at first, climbing.
I hear that's kinda normal... but it got a bit hot.. my radiator is small 19" tall
x 8" wide two row aluminum, I was hoping it was enough... now I think not.
I believe the Lovely radiators are 20x12 ?? I'm gonna go bigger.
The airplane itself felt OK.. off the ground quick.. ailerons are just as advertised
.. a little slow.. elevator a little sensitive..but nothing weird at all.
that was fun
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: N1929F Flight |
FANTASTIC!
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| Subject: | Re: N1929F Flight |
Congrats!! I bet that is quite the feeling of accomplishment right there!
--------
A&P/IA
Recreational Pilot - working on Private
http://www.buckeye-aviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat |
Joe;
I would take my measuring tape and erase every other mark on it if it's marked
in 1/16", and twice that many if it's marked in 1/32". You won't need those when
you build a 1929 aircraft out of wood and fabric, especially if you build
it on the floor of your barn like Mr. Pietenpol did. The point on the stub of
a yellow No. 2 pencil draws a line thicker than 1/16" ;o)
Seriously, I think just tautening the fabric on these surfaces could change your
"right on the money" uncovered surface by 1/16", so don't sweat it. Also, like
Mike and others have pointed out, you can play with the tail surface angles
and warp by using the tail brace wires, if yours are adjustable. The purists
who use twisted hard wire ferrules with no turnbuckles don't have as much luxury
that way, but they do save weight and cost by not installing turnbuckles
with clevises back there.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead |
West")
Just a thought=2C how tight are you bungees? 414MV has real tight suspensi
on with no give with just the pilot at rest and little give on landing. Mi
ke says it is very easy to handle on the ground.
> From: gboothe5@comcast.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Br
odhead West")
> Date: Tue=2C 4 Jun 2013 18:54:32 -0700
>
>
>
> Paul=2C
>
> As Kevin pointed out to me=2C the correct aircraft terminology is not
> 'squirrelly'=2C but 'tippy'. Tippy in the sense that it tips over (=3B-))
... and
> scrapes wing tips! Not only did I have this issue=2C but also my 15=2C000
hr
> flight instructor/test pilot who had a minor scrape a few weeks ago. I th
ink
> I may have posted two wheel dimensions of 52 and 57"=2C but the correct n
umber
> is 52" from center to center of the tires. I have 21" Harley Sportster
> wheels (which have done quite well with my side-load testing program=2C I
> might say)=2C but I do not know the height at this moment.
>
> Rebuild=2C which is really minor=2C will also consist of remaking the gea
r to a
> wider=2C lower stance....do NOT want to be tippy...
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
> Sent: Tuesday=2C June 04=2C 2013 10:29 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhe
ad
> West")
>
> --> <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Gary=3B soooo sorry! no two ways to say it=2C that just sucks! Glad your
ok=2C and
> atleast you didn't have a prop strike. could have been a much more expens
ive
> rebuild if thinks went slightly worse.
> Sounds like the taller gear are a little more squirrely. If you don't
> mind=2C (and if you do mind=2C i understand)=2C could you share in what w
ay your
> aircraft is a little tricky to land? did you run out of rudder=2C slow ro
ll
> rate=2C is it squirrely just on the tailwheel or while just on the
> mains......... this info would help some of us in the build stage to make
> some gear config decisions.
> maybe we should start a new thread having piet owners state the
> particulars of their gear setup. (height=2C width=2C size tires=2C and ty
pe of
> tailwheel=2C swiveling=2C castoring=2C fixed). how they feel they handle
and what
> they would do differently to make the plane more docile if needed.
>
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> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
Thanks Chuck.
I bought the entire set of plans and manual from Andrew, but was going from memory
last night, as the plans are out in the shop. The concern I have had is I
am a Tricyle gear only pilot at this point, and will benefit from making the gear
as stable as I can... I am thinking a wider gear stance and not higher than
the plans call for is best, but here again, input from the initiated is best,
rather than my guesswork :D
Thanks again for the feedback!
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Picnic |
Thats okay Gary, maybe we can go together next year.
Yesterday's trip went okay?
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Cream puff ? |
Scott, what -- pray tell -- is a rag wing? That's one I missed. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cream puff ?
> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
> Jeff, I have about 11 hours in my buddies rag wing. In fact I did the
> first flights on it. His rag wing liked three point takeoffs and
> landings. Wheel landings and takeoffs were difficult and a waste of time
> since it would be air born :n half the distance it would take to get the
> tail off the ground. That said. Once in the air, they fly very much alike
> and bleed off airspeed very quickly during the flare. I would think that
> if you understand the rag wing you will not have any problems with the
> Piet. Go fly it and have fun.
>
> Great looking plane
>
> Happy Landings,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Cream puff ? |
Chuck,
It is actually a Ragwing Special. My cell phone was auto-correcting the spelling
for me which was wrong when it corrected it. It is an ultralight that looks
like a Pitts special. It has a very large cockpit. The one I flew had a Kawasaki
440 snowmobile engine in it. It broke a crank and was later replaced
with a Hirth engine which is still in the plane. Fun little airplane to fly and
built from wood.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.biplaneforum.com/uploads/20110213_103357_DSC_0649.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.biplaneforum.com/f41/ragwing-rw26-special-ii-two-seater-760/&h=1496&w=2256&sz=407&tbnid=wdA1xmEjMfWlwM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=136&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dragwing%2Bspecial%2Bbiplane%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=ragwing+special+biplane&usg=__N54QDcokw8TVZEFh4W2v9hWahuo=&docid=CidG4rq63G0rEM&sa=X&ei=T2ivUbPIBsKRiQLGlIHIBA&ved=0CDoQ9QEwAQ&dur=9158
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Cream puff ? |
The one in the top right corner of one of the smaller pics is the one I used to
fly. It has the girl on the tail. See above link.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Well, as Paul said, that does suck
But glad you caught it in time!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
UNCLASSIFIED
The Piper Cub gear on my plane is 70 inches from center to center of the tires.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 06/05/13, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
> Thanks Chuck.
>
> I bought the entire set of plans and manual from Andrew, but was going from memory
last night, as the plans are out in the shop. The concern I have had is
I am a Tricyle gear only pilot at this point, and will benefit from making the
gear as stable as I can... I am thinking a wider gear stance and not higher than
the plans call for is best, but here again, input from the initiated is best,
rather than my guesswork :D
>
> Thanks again for the feedback!
>
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Picnic |
Yes! We were loaded and having chicken fried steak by noon!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Picnic
Thats okay Gary, maybe we can go together next year.
Yesterday's trip went okay?
Jim
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Vic,
Mike Cuy reminded me of that, too. The worst part of planning to rebuild my
gear is the thought of re-wrapping those!! Chris Tracy already told me that
he thinks he's going to be sick that day.;-)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of V Groah
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka:
"Brodhead West")
Just a thought, how tight are you bungees? 414MV has real tight suspension
with no give with just the pilot at rest and little give on landing. Mike
says it is very easy to handle on the ground.
> From: gboothe5@comcast.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka:
"Brodhead West")
> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:54:32 -0700
>
>
> Paul,
>
> As Kevin pointed out to me, the correct aircraft terminology is not
> 'squirrelly', but 'tippy'. Tippy in the sense that it tips over (;-))...
and
> scrapes wing tips! Not only did I have this issue, but also my 15,000 hr
> flight instructor/test pilot who had a minor scrape a few weeks ago. I
think
> I may have posted two wheel dimensions of 52 and 57", but the correct
number
> is 52" from center to center of the tires. I have 21" Harley Sportster
> wheels (which have done quite well with my side-load testing program, I
> might say), but I do not know the height at this moment.
>
> Rebuild, which is really minor, will also consist of remaking the gear to
a
> wider, lower stance....do NOT want to be tippy...
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 10:29 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka:
"Brodhead
> West")
>
> --> <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Gary; soooo sorry! no two ways to say it, that just sucks! Glad your ok,
and
> atleast you didn't have a prop strike. could have been a much more
expensive
> rebuild if thinks went slightly worse.
> Sounds like the taller gear are a little more squirrely. If you don't
> mind, (and if you do mind, i understand), could you share in what way your
> aircraft is a little tricky to land? did you run out of rudder, slow roll
> rate, is it squirrely just on the tailwheel or while just on the
> mains......... this info would help some of us in the build stage to make
> some gear config decisions.
> maybe we should start a new thread having piet owners state the
> particulars of their gear setup. (height, width, size tires, and type of
> tailwheel, swiveling, castoring, fixed). how they feel they handle and
what
> they would do differently to make the plane more docile if needed.
>
> --------
> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Tight bungees |
I rewrapped mine after rebuilding the gear, before I put on the wheels, uh, with
the fuse upside down on sawhorses.
It was actually very easy and I got them WAY tighter than before.
Sooo, the point is, do most folks do them with the wheels on, or off? Dick and
I did them together the first time with everything together, just jacking up
the plane, and it was MUCH more difficult.
I'm not sure how much of the "easy" I'll retain by doing them with the wheels off,
but upside right...
It sure handled a lot better with them tighter than looser.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
UNCLASSIFIED
Oscar, I think I have a Pietenpol Fuselage with an extended nose and engine mount.
The Wing appears to be a mix of the Grega three piece and the Pietenpol three
piece. All with minor mods from the plans.
I prefer to call it a pure bred Mongrel. :-}
Steve D
On 06/03/13, taildrags wrote:
>
> In case nobody mentioned it yet, most Gregas mount the landing gear legs to the
fuselage with one mount point where the wing lift strut also joins to the fuselage,
but with the other mount point non-concurrent with the other lift strut
mount point. If you look at the pix that Chris Rusch just posted of his beautiful
airplane, the side shot shows that the gear legs mount at the same spots
as the wing lift struts. Classic Air Camper configuration.
>
> Steve, I believe you have yourself a hermaphroditic agglomeration with accretions
and synthetizations. It's an AirGregation of Piet Camper parts. I'll bet
it will fly, though. And if we were in Great Britain, you would give the Brit
"airplane spotters" a devil of a time trying to figure out what it is ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| Subject: | bungee tips--long |
To make life easier in wrapping bungees don't order your by-the-foot bungee
from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks. They both
list it as 1/2" but it is actually 5/8" diameter which is magnitudes more d
ifficult to wrap and secure.
I will check where I purchased my last batch when I go to the hangar but it
was some marine supply place in New England
and it is a true 1/2" and good quality. Avoid buying bungee/ shock cord fr
om flea markets and places like Harbor Freight.
This is one area where you want good stuff and it really isn't that expensi
ve, even for the good shock cord.
>From the get-go 15 years ago I went with 6' x =BD" diameter for each axel e
nd. Works fine. One year I ordered "1/2 inch" from
Wicks or ACS and it was way thicker- more like 5/8" and without even trying
it I returned it. I admire you guys who can actually
wrap and secure that stuff. I think Steve Irwin had an easier time wrest
ling alligators than he would have had wrapping 5/8" bungee.
I lift up my Jenny gear by putting a bottle jack under each ash member. M
y 1/8" safety loop cable will catch the axel before it bashes
up into the lower longeron should the gear slip off the jack.
I use a figure-eight kind of wrap and start it with one loop and several (l
ike 4 or 5) use high quality tye-wraps with a tye-wrap gun to
secure the first loop. Snip and file clean those sharp ends of the cut exc
ess. Wrap tighter than you think you'll need and the secure
the other end with about 5-6 closely spaced tye-wraps, snip the ends and fi
le them smooth. All tye-wraps are not created equal.
I only use the Ty-Rap brand. (photo below) After about 4 years the UV an
d smoke oil tire out the bungee rubber and wraps (especially
the smoke oil side.) but by then they are usually dirty enough where a make
over looks nice anyway. More below.
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90]
[cid:image003.jpg@01CE620C.B408D390] [cid:image004.jpg@01CE62
0C.B408D390]
I wrap and secure both sides and if the axel is off the ash blocks at all,
the bungees are too loose. With a passenger and full fuel the axel will be
up
2, 3" off the blocks and that isn't what you want. Time to re-wrap. Once
you have it go out to your wing struts and rock the plane on the gear I ca
n
lift each wheel off the ground when I do my test but there should be about
an inch or inch and a half movement of the axel off the block before you ca
n
lift it off the ground. You also can go side-to-side and see if one bunge
e is significantly tighter than the other. There have been times when I h
ad to
re-wrap 2, 3 times to get it right. They don't have to be perfectly even b
ut you'll know---especially when you go out for a taxi test. Watch that bu
mping
and how far each axle comes off the ash blocks and you'll see clearly what
you have. I generally have about zero to =BD" of axel-to-ash clearance whe
n
I'm taxiing out with a full tank of fuel. With a passenger I usually have
about an inch of axel off the ash blocks depending how much they weigh.
Hope this helps all of you Infidels:).
Mike C.
PS-did I mention that my Uncle Tony talks about bungee cords? He mostly co
vers the loop-style for the other type gear legs if you're not using the sp
rings.
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| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
70" just sounds better to me ;-)
I don't know if there are major draw backs to a wider gear, or if there is a magic
formula for width of gear to fuse length that needs to be considered, but
what would be wrong with a wider gear like 70" ...
I know, its wrong because the original design wasn't 70" and its been flying for
80+ years.... :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Tight bungees |
We did ours with the wheels off but right side up. It was a chore for the
two of us and Mike is young and tough. He had a little extra length and a
good pair of vise grips. It was a chore to remember=2C even in my old age.
We stated with as hard a pull as we could muster and held that tension al
l the way through the wrap. It is not a cushy ride but stable on the groun
d.
Mike had to make an off field in the dirt landing with the engine not runni
ng and had no control issues at all. This was with a passenger in the fron
t seat. I think the stiff suspension was a factor in the ultimate success
on a bad day. Vic 414MV
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tight bungees
> From: n0kkj@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed=2C 5 Jun 2013 12:33:58 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I rewrapped mine after rebuilding the gear=2C before I put on the wheels
=2C uh=2C with the fuse upside down on sawhorses.
>
> It was actually very easy and I got them WAY tighter than before.
>
> Sooo=2C the point is=2C do most folks do them with the wheels on=2C or of
f? Dick and I did them together the first time with everything together=2C
just jacking up the plane=2C and it was MUCH more difficult.
>
> I'm not sure how much of the "easy" I'll retain by doing them with the wh
eels off=2C but upside right...
>
> It sure handled a lot better with them tighter than looser.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402093#402093
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Picnic |
I plan to be there! What I'm hoping for is a chance for 10-15 min of stick
time in a somebody's Piet....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 8:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Picnic
> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Just received this announcement, with instructions to "spread the word".
> So that's what I'm doing now. This will be of interest to anyone within
> traveling distance of southern Ontario (Canada). If you need more
> detailed directions or info, please contact me.
>
>
>> June 15th ?" Twenty third annual Pietenpol Picnic at the farm of Hope
>> and Brian Kenney ?" for lovers of this iconic open cockpit homebuilt
>> aircraft. 10 am to dusk ?" lunch provided. Farm located at 374
>> Concession 7E in East Flamborough. Camping spots for Friday or Saturday
>> are available. RAA chapter barbeque on the field Friday evening. Runway
>> is 14-32 and we ask spam-cans to park at the south end of the field.
>> Circuits for 32 are right hand.
>
>
> Bill C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
My gear has a tread of 69", and has handled numerous gusty crosswinds. To
me it doesn't look too terribly wide, but see what you think:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 5:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
70" just sounds better to me ;-)
I don't know if there are major draw backs to a wider gear, or if there is a
magic formula for width of gear to fuse length that needs to be considered,
but what would be wrong with a wider gear like 70" ...
I know, its wrong because the original design wasn't 70" and its been flying
for 80+ years.... :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Picnic |
And you guys from down south, make sure to
wear your heavy winter coats. Theres an instant
temperature shear at the 49th parallel.
Clif
Q: Are there supermarkets in Toronto and is milk available all year round?
( Germany )
A: No, we are a peaceful civilization of Vegan hunter/gatherers. Milk is
illegal.
> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Of all the luck...
>
> On the other hand, you could still drive. Google maps says it would only
> be a 37 hour drive (each way) for you, Gary.
>
> To put things in perspective for others, it's about 1 1/2 hours drive from
> Buffalo, NY, and about 3 hours drive from Detroit, MI.
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| Subject: | Re: N1929F Flight |
VERY nice!! Thanks for sharing that!
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Picnic |
Okay, Bill, I am completely embarrassed by my maintained knowledge of geography.
I am from Minnesota and duck hunt every year in Ontario. I thought it'd be
doable to drive a couple hours to see some Piets in 'Southern Ontario'. Guess
I forgot the Providence stretched all the way to New York. Guess I will spend
that weekend studying an atlas as a refresher. Wish I could make it as I have
to work over Brodhead this year. . .
Tom
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