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1. 12:23 AM - Re: squirrelly on the gear (bubbleboy)
2. 03:16 AM - Re: Pietenpol Picnic (Bill Church)
3. 04:40 AM - bungee chafing etc (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:59 AM - Re: bungee chafing etc (Chris)
5. 09:41 AM - Any Scottish Piets oh list? (Kip and Beth Gardner)
6. 01:10 PM - Re: Any Scottish Piets oh list? (AircamperN11MS)
7. 02:48 PM - Re: Broken Bungee & How I repaired it (nightmare)
8. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: squirrelly on the gear (Michael Groah)
9. 05:37 PM - Re: Broken Bungee & How I repaired it (Jerry Dotson)
10. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (helspersew@aol.com)
11. 08:55 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") (Mark Roberts)
12. 09:09 PM - Re: squirrelly on the gear (Mark Roberts)
13. 09:25 PM - flying show (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
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| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
Great timing...I am about to flip my fuselage over and build the gear!
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Picnic |
I've been biting my tongue.
The whole of Rhode Island isn't even that big - let alone one city.
:)
BC
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| Subject: | bungee chafing etc |
Hi all,
Instead of leather, I cut up some really thick rubber inner tube protectors
I had laying around. Leather is probably more "period" though.
Likely heavier, but I know that the Germans in WW1 sprung some of their
axles using long springs wrapped around the axle just like bungees. I think
it was they had more steel than rubber. They looked like screen door
springs stretched and wrapped. Looked bulkier than bungee, and is heavier
(I weighed a foot of each back when I was considering it) BUT. it wouldn't
chafe.
Douwe
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| Subject: | bungee chafing etc |
Greg and Dale used the leather wrap method
"I purchased the leather from a local saddle shop. It was referred to as
"sole leather" because it is relatively thick, about 1/8". It was very stiff
but leather can be formed easily by soaking it in water for a few minutes.
It is attached to the bottom of the ash block with a couple of small screws
but the bungees keep it held in place.
Round headed rivets per the original plans instead of threaded fasteners in
this location would most likely eliminate the need for the leather cuff.
Greg Cardinal"
Link to a drawing of their setup
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Greg%20and%20Dale/images/Anti%20Chafe%20Cuff
.pdf
Another idea I have seen is to place a wide board on the bottom of the ash
block so the bungees are not al likely to touch the bolt heads.
You can see it in this picture.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Larry%20Williams/images/Air_Venture_2003_tri
p_104.jpg
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 4:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee chafing etc
Hi all,
Instead of leather, I cut up some really thick rubber inner tube protectors
I had laying around. Leather is probably more "period" though.
Likely heavier, but I know that the Germans in WW1 sprung some of their
axles using long springs wrapped around the axle just like bungees. I think
it was they had more steel than rubber. They looked like screen door
springs stretched and wrapped. Looked bulkier than bungee, and is heavier
(I weighed a foot of each back when I was considering it) BUT. it wouldn't
chafe.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Any Scottish Piets oh list? |
I am sitting in the Cleveland airport waiting for a flight to Edinburgh Scotland.
I'll be touring with a group, but I'm wondering if there are any Scots or
Brits between Edinburgh and York that I might be able to catch up with sometime
in the next week?
Thanks!
Kip Gardner
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| Subject: | Re: Any Scottish Piets oh list? |
I'm part Scottish and in CA. I'll visit with you if detour through this neck of
the woods. Enjoy your trip. The wife says we are going there in three years
for our 25th. Cheers,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Bungee & How I repaired it |
Ok one more question about this. How far does the axle go up off the ash blocks
when going over bumps, landings etc... I may toy around with a spring suspension
for the straight axle. Ill have to decide if im willing to increase weight
a bit to avoid the frequent bungee changes.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
Ok Gary. My straight axle gear has a width (center to center of tire) of 62.75
inches. With the upper longeron level the distance from the ground to the top
of the upper longeron is 54.75 inches.
I have 90 landings on it so far and I think the handling is far better and easier
to land than the Champ I did my tail wheel endorsement in.
Mike Groah
414MV
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 6, 2013, at 3:58 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Yes, Oscar...you are! ;-)
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> But allow me to clarify...there's a difference between squirrely and tippy.
> My problem is tippy. Gear too narrow for its height. I don't think all this
> data would mean anything without taking height into consideration to solve a
> tippy problem.
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> BTW - "Tippy" is the word supplied by Kevin, so I'm sure it's
> UNCLASSIFIED....
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 3:50 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
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> --> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
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> The distance between centers of tire tread on Scout (with split J-3 style
> gear) is right at 57" with nobody in the airplane.
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> Is somebody going to put all these data points into Excel and generate a
> nifty statistical bell curve showing the most popular spacing? ;o)
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Bungee & How I repaired it |
Paul it is not that bad. You just need some help holding the stretch in it while
you get another hold on it. This time it was really easy. My son and our friend
Kevin(47 & 29 respectively) came over and I sat on my behind and watched and
they did it in about 20 minutes.
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead |
West")
Gary,
I just measured mine. It's 59" between centers. I would not consider my air
plane squirrely at all FYI.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL, on my way back to TN via Grinnell IA.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 8:55 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brod
head West")
Paul,
As Kevin pointed out to me, the correct aircraft terminology is not
'squirrelly', but 'tippy'. Tippy in the sense that it tips over (;-))... an
d
scrapes wing tips! Not only did I have this issue, but also my 15,000 hr
flight instructor/test pilot who had a minor scrape a few weeks ago. I thin
k
I may have posted two wheel dimensions of 52 and 57", but the correct numbe
r
is 52" from center to center of the tires. I have 21" Harley Sportster
wheels (which have done quite well with my side-load testing program, I
might say), but I do not know the height at this moment.
Rebuild, which is really minor, will also consist of remaking the gear to a
wider, lower stance....do NOT want to be tippy...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 10:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead
West")
--> <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
Gary; soooo sorry! no two ways to say it, that just sucks! Glad your ok, an
d
atleast you didn't have a prop strike. could have been a much more expensiv
e
rebuild if thinks went slightly worse.
Sounds like the taller gear are a little more squirrely. If you don't
mind, (and if you do mind, i understand), could you share in what way your
aircraft is a little tricky to land? did you run out of rudder, slow roll
rate, is it squirrely just on the tailwheel or while just on the
mains......... this info would help some of us in the build stage to make
some gear config decisions.
maybe we should start a new thread having piet owners state the
particulars of their gear setup. (height, width, size tires, and type of
tailwheel, swiveling, castoring, fixed). how they feel they handle and what
they would do differently to make the plane more docile if needed.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
I agree totally with Vic's post!
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| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
Good stuff guys. Keep it comin'...
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Monday night James May from Top gear will be in a show called Flight Club. it is
about planes and model planes.
I personally love Flying Wild Alaska. While it is very scripted, I hope that it
attracts students to flying.
Blue Skies,
Steven D.
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