---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/15/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:20 AM - wood vs steel struts (nightmare) 2. 10:03 AM - engine out.. (bender) 3. 10:14 AM - Re: engine out.. (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 10:20 AM - Re: engine out.. (bender) 5. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: engine out.. (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 11:07 AM - Re: engine out.. (Gary Boothe) 7. 11:49 AM - Re: engine out.. (Jack Phillips) 8. 03:41 PM - Re: engine out.. (Pieti Lowell) 9. 06:47 PM - Re: engine out.. (bender) 10. 09:35 PM - Re: wood vs steel struts (Ken Bickers) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood vs steel struts From: "nightmare" Does anyone know the weight difference between wood vs steel vs aluminum struts? Love the wood look, but wanted to see if much of a weight penalty for looks. Had an idea that maybe use steel tube and wrap in streamlined wood. Has anyone done that? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402737#402737 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. From: "bender" Went for the second flight in the piet today.. Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine stopped Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low but it's a model A Ford. I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a little lower. Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runway a little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the wing tip..I but off fabric to take a look. Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is cracked. .. One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right wheel took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. From: helspersew@aol.com Jeff, Wow that sucks bad. Glad you are OK. Any guesses on the engine? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 12:03 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. > Went for the second flight in the piet today.. Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine stop ped Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low but it's a model A Ford. I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a litt le lower. Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runwa y a little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the w ing tip..I but off fabric to take a look. Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is cracked. . One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right w heel took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. From: "bender" not really... it was loose after landing... the lack of RPM then sudden stop makes me think it got hot and tight. I'll check it out. What kind of oil pressure do you see normally. ? I know the car guys say even 5lbs is good it does suck a little.. not as bad as Douwes repair... i'll get it going jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402744#402744 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. From: helspersew@aol.com It registers high (maybe 30) when cold, and routinely reads 5-10 lbs when hot. I recall Ken Perkins telling me the story of him landing in a bean fi eld because he was worried his oil pressure was barely reading......turns o ut everything was OK and normal to resume his journey. When I first flew mine it had a tendency to want to "quit" on final (I only allowed this to happen once, carried more power after that) at low RPM. No w it seems to be better. I am attributing this to tightness. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 12:20 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. > not really... it was loose after landing... the lack of RPM then sudden sto p makes me think it got hot and tight. I'll check it out. What kind of oil pressure do you see normally. ? I know the car guys say e ven 5lbs is good it does suck a little.. not as bad as Douwes repair... i'll get it going jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402744#402744 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. From: Gary Boothe Oh crap! (Having flashbacks...) Hope FAA doesn't get involved.... Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "bender" wrote: > > Went for the second flight in the piet today.. > Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine stopped > Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low but it's a model A Ford. > I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a little lower. > Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... > So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . > The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. > Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runway a little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the wing tip..I but off fabric to take a look. > Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is cracked. .. > One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right wheel took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:15 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. So sorry to hear this, Jeff. I was hoping to see your new bird at Brodhead next month. Glad you're ok, but as Dan said, this sucks! I hioe you get her flying agin soon. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. Went for the second flight in the piet today.. Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine stopped Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low but it's a model A Ford. I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a little lower. Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runway a little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the wing tip..I but off fabric to take a look. Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is cracked. . One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right wheel took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. From: "Pieti Lowell" Jeff Did your prop survive ? You are fortunate to come out unscathed . Check the Mag to see if it moved or grounded, for that quick shut-down. A fuel shortage is a slower engine, but a prime will get you back with a little power. During the period of 1800 RPM could you get the engine to increase by a slight primer set to the unlocked position? this will run a bit rich,and slower,was it locked in the off position, during your first take-off, that caused the engine stop ? Look at each spark plug for signs of rich or lean conditions .The last ? did you have a problem at full throttle on take off or did you give the Ford a quick open throttle just as it started to stop ? Seem the Brain doesn't work as fast when one is in the position of unusual situations, I have been there, done that. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402762#402762 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. From: "bender" The prop is ok. .. the only damage is the bent axel and the rear spar. Two ribs have a member broken. . My oil pressure was never over 10 psi.. Usually around 3-5... but that's what I understood to be normal on the A. I really wonder if a lack of oil In a new engine is the culprit. I'll check everything. . Repair the wood and do it again. . I really like the idea of the A..I've really run it hard on the ground and its been Like a clock. . Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402768#402768 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood vs steel struts From: Ken Bickers Paul, I used round tubes for diagonal struts and jury struts, which I then faired with balsa. I ran the balsa through my router to create half circular coves that fit over the round tubes. After gluing the balsa to the tubes with T-88, I then covered each assembly with fabric. I haven't weighed my struts after fairing with balsa and covering. I'll try to do that for you at the next opportunity. For comparison purposes, someone else will need to jump in with the weight of their wood or aluminum streamlined struts. Cheers, Ken On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:20 AM, nightmare wrote: > pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> > > Does anyone know the weight difference between wood vs steel vs aluminum > struts? > Love the wood look, but wanted to see if much of a weight penalty for > looks. > Had an idea that maybe use steel tube and wrap in streamlined wood. Has > anyone done that? > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402737#402737 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.