---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/16/13: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:17 AM - Re: wood vs steel struts (nightmare) 2. 07:27 AM - Re: wood vs steel struts (Michael Perez) 3. 07:34 AM - Re: wood vs steel struts (nightmare) 4. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: wood vs steel struts (Michael Perez) 5. 08:48 AM - Re: wood vs steel struts (nightmare) 6. 09:39 AM - Douwe's truck (nightmare) 7. 11:16 AM - Re: Douwe's truck (airlion2@gmail.com) 8. 11:47 AM - Still Learning to Fly (John Francis) 9. 12:08 PM - Re: Still Learning to Fly (Gary Boothe) 10. 01:19 PM - Re: engine out.. (bender) 11. 03:00 PM - Re: Still Learning to Fly (jarheadpilot82) 12. 03:28 PM - Re: Re: wood vs steel struts (Michael Perez) 13. 03:31 PM - Re: Still Learning to Fly (Michael Perez) 14. 05:30 PM - Re: Re: engine out.. (Jack Phillips) 15. 06:23 PM - Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges (TriScout) 16. 06:28 PM - Re: wood vs steel struts (Mark Roberts) 17. 06:35 PM - Wood/steel struts (Douwe) 18. 06:40 PM - Re: Pietenpol Picnic (Bill Church) 19. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Picnic (Gary Boothe) 20. 09:23 PM - Re: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges (Ray Krause) 21. 10:51 PM - Re: Attaching ribs to spars question (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts From: "nightmare" Thats great Ken. Could I get the diameter and wall thickness also? Great idea on how you attached the balsa. Love to see a pic. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402786#402786 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood vs steel struts Hi Paul. I can't answer your question directly, only to say that the alumin um struts will be lighter than any similar sized steel struts.- If you ar e thinking of using steel tubes to wrap with wood, than those steel tubes a lone will probably weigh more than the aluminum struts.- Aluminum tubes w rapped with wood, T-88, varnish/paint may still weigh more than the plain a luminum struts. =0A-=0AYou may want to buy streamline aluminum struts and then wrap them with a thin wood-veneer.-(Of course, the added veneer, adhesive, varnish/paint, etc. add weight...) However, gluing down a thin ve neer over the streamline tube would be easy and the shape is already perfec t...no wood fabrication required. The veneer can be purchased just about an y place you can buy wood.=0A-=0AFWIW, my aluminum struts, complete with -machined aluminum inserts, SS forks and the nuts/bolts to assemble-the m, weigh just under 4 lbs. each.=0A-=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Vid eos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts From: "nightmare" Another great idea. Where did you get them Michael? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402788#402788 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:35 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com >________________________________ > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts From: "nightmare" Great resource. Better price than I thought. I imagine the "small strut" is acceptable. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402792#402792 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's truck From: "nightmare" Douwe , I found your truck at the San Antonio airport -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402794#402794 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130616_105140_903.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's truck From: airlion2@gmail.com Douwe, I will bet that you could sell these at Brodhead. I would like one. Cheers, gardiner PS my next door neighbor hangar with an RV in progress says he would not paint any plane with latex. it would look too much like a barn. of course he lives in an upscale neighborhood with latex on the house. Sent from my iPad On Jun 16, 2013, at 12:39 PM, "nightmare" wrote: > > Douwe , I found your truck at the San Antonio airport > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402794#402794 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130616_105140_903.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Still Learning to Fly From: "John Francis" As Bob DeWenter announced last week, I finally soloed. Between Part 141 and the flying schools' restrictions it became difficult to find a good time for me to solo. My solo was scheduled 7 times and cancelled due to strong winds (over 5 knot crosswind component) or a wind speed over 15 knots. It's been a windy Spring around here! Fortunately I was able to continue to fly and accumulate hours with my instructor waiting for the solo. I continue to gain confidence and improvement with each of my flights. I am sure looking forward to moving on to some cross country navigation and flights. Landings have been the most difficult part of flying for me. I just can't seem to get the knack of it. I'll probably just get it in the 172 when I transfer over to the Piper Cub for the rest of the training. Here is a good example of one of my landings. Bob is narrating and taking the video. He gets a little excited and thinks it is my third landing......but it is only my second. I hope he knows how much I appreciate having this on film. I had a gopro camera in my flight bag but forgot to take it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_qzyyNBu0E The flying lessons have motivated me to work harder on my Piet build just like attending fly-ins, Brodhead, and EAA meets. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402806#402806 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:45 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Still Learning to Fly Way to go, John!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 11:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Still Learning to Fly --> As Bob DeWenter announced last week, I finally soloed. Between Part 141 and the flying schools' restrictions it became difficult to find a good time for me to solo. My solo was scheduled 7 times and cancelled due to strong winds (over 5 knot crosswind component) or a wind speed over 15 knots. It's been a windy Spring around here! Fortunately I was able to continue to fly and accumulate hours with my instructor waiting for the solo. I continue to gain confidence and improvement with each of my flights. I am sure looking forward to moving on to some cross country navigation and flights. Landings have been the most difficult part of flying for me. I just can't seem to get the knack of it. I'll probably just get it in the 172 when I transfer over to the Piper Cub for the rest of the training. Here is a good example of one of my landings. Bob is narrating and taking the video. He gets a little excited and thinks it is my third landing......but it is only my second. I hope he knows how much I appreciate having this on film. I had a gopro camera in my flight bag but forgot to take it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_qzyyNBu0E The flying lessons have motivated me to work harder on my Piet build just like attending fly-ins, Brodhead, and EAA meets. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402806#402806 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. From: "bender" i got the rear spar cut out today... marked the splice location and now have a cool reminder to hang on the wall.. the top wing fabric with part of the big numbers. the damage was right at the attach point.. i glued my ribs and that kinda sucked to get them loose, but i got it. shopping for a piece of wood this week.. a splice and a little fabric work. then to figure out the engine. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402812#402812 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Learning to Fly From: "jarheadpilot82" Awesome landing, John! Nicely done! You will be doing your cross country flights before you know it. Keep us posted. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402814#402814 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:34 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts Yes. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero http://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:18 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Still Learning to Fly As I said, this is the motivation that keeps me going!- STILL hoping to s tart my flight training this month...=0A=0A=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HIN T Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:51 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. Jeff, I'll tell you the same thing I told Douwe and Gardner and Kevin and Gary - building a Pietenpol is fun. Rebuilding one is just pure work. (Ask me how I know). I really admire you for stepping up and accepting the challenge to rebuild, rather than just sell the pile of scrap and move on, as some have done. Keep working at it and you'll have it flying again in no time, and it'll be better than ever. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. i got the rear spar cut out today... marked the splice location and now have a cool reminder to hang on the wall.. the top wing fabric with part of the big numbers. the damage was right at the attach point.. i glued my ribs and that kinda sucked to get them loose, but i got it. shopping for a piece of wood this week.. a splice and a little fabric work. then to figure out the engine. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402812#402812 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges From: "TriScout" ......added pic's (clearer).......end msg -------- L.Metzel KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 712TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402823#402823 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_214.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_150.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts From: "Mark Roberts" Does anyone know what the actual stress pressures on the struts? The aluminum struts seem to me quite strong for normal flight, but when I compared the strength of the steel vs aluminum, there is so much difference I am curious by what factor is actually necessary? Anyone able to calculate the strength Needed by the struts? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402825#402825 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood/steel struts From: Douwe I know Kerri Ann used tubing inside wood struts and I think a few others have done it too. Should work fine Sorry Jeff about the setback. Positive you were getting gas? I'd think the temps would have spiked if it was about to seize up. 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(helspersew@aol.com) > 4. 10:20 AM - Re: engine out.. (bender) > 5. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: engine out.. (helspersew@aol.com) > 6. 11:07 AM - Re: engine out.. (Gary Boothe) > 7. 11:49 AM - Re: engine out.. (Jack Phillips) > 8. 03:41 PM - Re: engine out.. (Pieti Lowell) > 9. 06:47 PM - Re: engine out.. (bender) > 10. 09:35 PM - Re: wood vs steel struts (Ken Bickers) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:20:30 AM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood vs steel struts > From: "nightmare" > > > Does anyone know the weight difference between wood vs steel vs aluminum struts? > Love the wood look, but wanted to see if much of a weight penalty for looks. > Had an idea that maybe use steel tube and wrap in streamlined wood. Has anyone > done that? > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402737#402737 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:03:36 AM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. > From: "bender" > > > Went for the second flight in the piet today.. > Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine stopped > Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low but > it's a model A Ford. > I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a little lower. > > Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... > So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . > The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. > Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runway a > little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the wing > tip..I but off fabric to take a look. > Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is cracked. > .. > One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right wheel > took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:14:02 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. > From: helspersew@aol.com > > > Jeff, > > Wow that sucks bad. Glad you are OK. Any guesses on the engine? > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bender > Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 12:03 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. > > >> > > Went for the second flight in the piet today.. > Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine stop > ped > Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low > but > it's a model A Ford. > I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a litt > le > lower. > Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... > So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . > The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. > Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runwa > y a > little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the w > ing > tip..I but off fabric to take a look. > Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is > > cracked. . > One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right w > heel > took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:20:03 AM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. > From: "bender" > > > not really... it was loose after landing... the lack of RPM then sudden stop makes > me think it got hot and tight. I'll check it out. > What kind of oil pressure do you see normally. ? I know the car guys say even > 5lbs is good > > it does suck a little.. not as bad as Douwes repair... i'll get it going > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402744#402744 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:29:54 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. > From: helspersew@aol.com > > > It registers high (maybe 30) when cold, and routinely reads 5-10 lbs when > hot. I recall Ken Perkins telling me the story of him landing in a bean fi > eld because he was worried his oil pressure was barely reading......turns o > ut everything was OK and normal to resume his journey. > > When I first flew mine it had a tendency to want to "quit" on final (I only > allowed this to happen once, carried more power after that) at low RPM. No > w it seems to be better. I am attributing this to tightness. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > -----Original Message----- > From: bender > Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 12:20 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. > > >> > > not really... it was loose after landing... the lack of RPM then sudden sto > p > makes me think it got hot and tight. I'll check it out. > What kind of oil pressure do you see normally. ? I know the car guys say e > ven > 5lbs is good > > it does suck a little.. not as bad as Douwes repair... i'll get it going > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402744#402744 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:07:16 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. > From: Gary Boothe > > > Oh crap! (Having flashbacks...) Hope FAA doesn't get involved.... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 15, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "bender" wrote: > >> >> Went for the second flight in the piet today.. >> Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine stopped >> Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low but > it's a model A Ford. >> I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a little > lower. >> Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... >> So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . >> The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. >> Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runway > a little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the wing > tip..I but off fabric to take a look. >> Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is cracked. > .. >> One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right wheel > took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:49:15 AM PST US > From: "Jack Phillips" > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. > > > So sorry to hear this, Jeff. I was hoping to see your new bird at Brodhead > next month. Glad you're ok, but as Dan said, this sucks! I hioe you get > her flying agin soon. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 1:03 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. > > > Went for the second flight in the piet today.. > Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine > stopped > Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low > but it's a model A Ford. > I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a > little lower. > Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... > So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . > The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. > Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runway > a little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the > wing tip..I but off fabric to take a look. > Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is > cracked. . > One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right > wheel took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:41:46 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. > From: "Pieti Lowell" > > > Jeff > Did your prop survive ? You are fortunate to come out unscathed . Check the Mag > to see if it moved or grounded, for that quick shut-down. A fuel shortage is > a slower engine, but a prime will get you back with a little power. > During the period of 1800 RPM could you get the engine to increase by a slight > primer set to the unlocked position? this will run a bit rich,and slower,was it > locked in the off position, during your first take-off, that caused the engine > stop ? Look at each spark plug for signs of rich or lean conditions .The last > ? did you have a problem at full throttle on take off or did you give the Ford > a quick open throttle just as it started to stop ? > Seem the Brain doesn't work as fast when one is in the position of unusual situations, > I have been there, done that. > Pieti Lowell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402762#402762 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:47:43 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. > From: "bender" > > > The prop is ok. .. the only damage is the bent axel and the rear spar. > Two ribs have a member broken. . My oil pressure was never over 10 psi.. > Usually around 3-5... but that's what I understood to be normal on the A. > I really wonder if a lack of oil In a new engine is the culprit. > I'll check everything. . Repair the wood and do it again. . > I really like the idea of the A..I've really run it hard on the ground and its > been > Like a clock. . > > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402768#402768 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:35:18 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood vs steel struts > From: Ken Bickers > > Paul, I used round tubes for diagonal struts and jury struts, which I then > faired with balsa. I ran the balsa through my router to create half > circular coves that fit over the round tubes. After gluing the balsa to the > tubes with T-88, I then covered each assembly with fabric. I haven't > weighed my struts after fairing with balsa and covering. I'll try to do > that for you at the next opportunity. For comparison purposes, someone else > will need to jump in with the weight of their wood or aluminum streamlined > struts. Cheers, Ken > > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:20 AM, nightmare wrote: > >> pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> >> >> Does anyone know the weight difference between wood vs steel vs aluminum >> struts? >> Love the wood look, but wanted to see if much of a weight penalty for >> looks. >> Had an idea that maybe use steel tube and wrap in streamlined wood. Has >> anyone done that? >> >> -------- >> Paul Donahue >> Started 8-3-12 >> do not archive >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402737#402737 >> >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic From: "Bill Church" Weather co-operated. Sunny and comfortable temperatures all day. Bit of a crosswind. Lots of people turned out. Only two Piets present, but a selection of other interesting aircraft showed up. Unfortunately, I had a bit of mechanical trouble on the way, so I didn't arrive until almost 2pm. And once I had said hello to all the faces I knew, most of the aircraft had departed - so I have almost no photos to share. However, I did take a handful of photos. Here are a few snapped at the end of the day. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402827#402827 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4418_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4426_269.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4430_183.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:35 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic Dang horseless contraptions!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 6:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic --> Weather co-operated. Sunny and comfortable temperatures all day. Bit of a crosswind. Lots of people turned out. Only two Piets present, but a selection of other interesting aircraft showed up. Unfortunately, I had a bit of mechanical trouble on the way, so I didn't arrive until almost 2pm. And once I had said hello to all the faces I knew, most of the aircraft had departed - so I have almost no photos to share. However, I did take a handful of photos. Here are a few snapped at the end of the day. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402827#402827 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4418_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4426_269.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4430_183.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:17 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges Beautiful pictures and plane! I love the clarity of the dials, great for an old fart to read! I saved the info on the gauges and will order them. Now, how about some detailed pictures of your 3-piece windscreen? Thanks, Ray Krause, SkyScout in progress Sent from my iPad On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:22 PM, "TriScout" wrote: > > ......added pic's (clearer).......end msg > > -------- > L.Metzel > KLNC > A65-8 > N2308C > AN Hardware > Airframe 712TT > W72CK-42 Sensenich > Standard Factory GN-1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402823#402823 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_214.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_150.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question From: "Mark Roberts" That's interesting Keri Ann ... Wonder how much lighter the ribs are than a built up rib. Naw... There I go again trying to change the plans. I'm starting the order list to get your tail wheel built that I bought plans for. Hoping the next time I get a job I can pinch a few bucks to buy the parts. Need the list first, and that doesn't cost me anything to plan out :D Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402835#402835 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.