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1. 03:13 AM - Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo (Bill Church)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:40 AM - Re: ELT Location (Jack Phillips)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo (C N Campbell)
5. 07:02 AM - Re: ELT Location (l.morlock)
6. 07:38 AM - Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo (Bill Church)
7. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo (C N Campbell)
8. 08:12 AM - Re: Champion C-26 Plugs (taildrags)
9. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Champion C-26 Plugs (Jack)
10. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Champion C-26 Plugs (Michael Perez)
11. 11:08 AM - Re: Champion C-26 Plugs (taildrags)
12. 01:44 PM - Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo (bender)
13. 02:00 PM - Re: engine out.. (bender)
14. 02:13 PM - Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo (cessna7226g@aol.com)
15. 05:29 PM - Re: Re: engine out.. (shad bell)
16. 08:00 PM - ELT requirement (Douwe Blumberg)
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| Subject: | Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo |
Another Brodhead shot. This one from 2008.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo |
Beautiful Douwe. Stunning shot.
Here's my favorite. Taken by Shelley Tumino at Brodhead last year.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2013 8:45 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
An evocative pic to spur everyone towards the finish line (even if its the
second finish line). How 'bout everyone send in their favorite photo?
Douwe
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Larry, I mounted mine behind the pilot's seat under the helmet box. I made
a ground plane of aluminum and mounted the antenna there as well. I have an
access panel in the belly so I can inspect and lubricate the elevator
bellcrank and this provides access to service the ELT as well.
Here's a picture of it, looking straight up from the belly access panel:
You can see the groundplane under the helmet box, with the antenna mounted
below the ground plane. It seems to work ok, on the one day each year it
gets activated during the condition inspection.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Morlock
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 6:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT Location
Need some help on where to mount the ELT and ELT antenna on my Pietenpol. I
had not intended to have an ELT based on reports from this group that they
were not required to have one by their DAR because of staying within 25
miles of the home airport for the first 40 hours. Now that my plane is
finished (see attached pic), my DAR says I must have one. So, I am
essentially having to retrofit an ELT to a plane I didn't design to have
one.
At this point I am leaning toward putting the ELT between the legs of the
passenger on the floor of the front pit. For the antenna, I am leaning
toward mounting it on the forward portion of the coaming (tho it will hurt
to drill a mounting hole in my finished cowl), as that's the only existing
metal that is large enough to act as a ground plane.
I know its preferred (but not required) to mount the ELT as far aft as
possible, but at this point, I would have to do some major rework to mount
the ELT and create a ground plane anywhere behind the pilot, not to mention
the negative effect on CG.
I've gone through all the Matronics archives without finding a good solution
for my situation, so would invite any input on:
1. Where you mounted the ELT.
2. Where you mounted the ELT antenna.
3. What you used as a ground plane.
Especially if it's mounted in a forward location.
Larry Morlock
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| Subject: | Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo |
How can you tell whether the picture -- or any, for that matter -- is sunset
or sunrise? I have a few of both but they do not contain the image of a
Piet! When my Piet gets to that stage, I'll go to the airport and take
pictures at both sunrise and sunset and post them and see if anyone can
determine which is which. :>) Chuck
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Another Brodhead shot. This one from 2008.
> Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Location |
Thanks for the ELT picture, Jack. Your location just behind the pilot
is the most logical, but that's where the major rework is for me, as I
don't have access at this point. Your idea of having an access panel in
the bottom of the fuse is a really good one, and based on my experience,
I would recommend it to all new builders.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo |
Chuck,
For a sunset photo, the sun would be in the west.
For a sunrise photo, the sun would be in the east.
Well, you asked!
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo |
Well, Bill, I know that and you know that, but are there some who do not
know that? Also, how do you tell east from west by looking at a photo if
there is no compass included in the picture? Everyone who wants everyone
else to know that it is either sunset or sunrise should take the picture
holding a compass in the camera view. Oh well, what's the difference?
Chuck
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Chuck,
> For a sunset photo, the sun would be in the west.
> For a sunrise photo, the sun would be in the east.
>
> Well, you asked!
> BC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402938#402938
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| Subject: | Re: Champion C-26 Plugs |
Mike-
Here's a very thorough response to your question, from my A&P (and Continental
specialist) friend Jeff Scott in Los Alamos:
===============
For Champion, the higher number is a hotter plug (or heat range)........meaning
the plug runs at a hotter temperature because it transfers heat from the combustion
chamber slower. That is accomplished by moving the ceramic insulator further
back up inside the plug a bit farther, so it takes longer for heat to transfer
up the electrode and dissipate through the plug to the cylinder head and
outside air.
So, that means the C27 plug is one heat range hotter than a C26 plug. That usually
isn't a big deal in a 4 stroke engine and the A series engines could usually
use a hotter plug, so I wouldn't have a problem with flying either a C26 or
C27 plug in an A-65. (The C26 was the original plug in the A-65s)
The C26 is a rough equivalent to a M40E and the C27 is a rough equivalent to a
M41E for heat range. The C series spark plugs are unshielded, while the M series
are electrically shielded. All the plugs listed here are 18MM thread with
1/2" reach. Note that none of these plugs are resistor type plugs, so if you
want to run them, make sure your magnetos are OK to run non-resistor type plugs.
The AM-4 series Eisemanns are unshielded, as are the original harnesses
on the old Bendix Scintilla SF-4 series mags. I have run C26 plugs on a LA-4
series Eisemann with no issues as well. The newer Bendix and the Slick mags
are designed for shielded resistor type plugs. I would be especially leery of
running the C type plugs (or any non-resistor type plug) on a Slick Magneto.
That is not to say they won't run. Only that the Slick Coils seems to be very
sensitive to incorrect spark plug resistance and are prone to insulation break
down and internal arcing in the coil when things aren't right.
The link below will take you to a .pdf with lots of really good Champion spark
plug data. Towards the bottom is a listing of current and discontinued plugs
with some descriptions of them. At the top is a listing of what all the numbers
and letters in the spark plug designator mean.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Champion C-26 Plugs |
Thanks Oscar, I didn't see a link...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jun 18, 2013, at 10:12 AM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mike-
>
> Here's a very thorough response to your question, from my A&P (and Continental
specialist) friend Jeff Scott in Los Alamos:
> ===============
> For Champion, the higher number is a hotter plug (or heat range)........meaning
the plug runs at a hotter temperature because it transfers heat from the combustion
chamber slower. That is accomplished by moving the ceramic insulator
further back up inside the plug a bit farther, so it takes longer for heat to
transfer up the electrode and dissipate through the plug to the cylinder head
and outside air.
>
>
> So, that means the C27 plug is one heat range hotter than a C26 plug. That usually
isn't a big deal in a 4 stroke engine and the A series engines could usually
use a hotter plug, so I wouldn't have a problem with flying either a C26
or C27 plug in an A-65. (The C26 was the original plug in the A-65s)
>
>
> The C26 is a rough equivalent to a M40E and the C27 is a rough equivalent to
a M41E for heat range. The C series spark plugs are unshielded, while the M series
are electrically shielded. All the plugs listed here are 18MM thread with
1/2" reach. Note that none of these plugs are resistor type plugs, so if
you want to run them, make sure your magnetos are OK to run non-resistor type
plugs. The AM-4 series Eisemanns are unshielded, as are the original harnesses
on the old Bendix Scintilla SF-4 series mags. I have run C26 plugs on a LA-4
series Eisemann with no issues as well. The newer Bendix and the Slick mags
are designed for shielded resistor type plugs. I would be especially leery
of running the C type plugs (or any non-resistor type plug) on a Slick Magneto.
That is not to say they won't run. Only that the Slick Coils seems to be very
sensitive to incorrect spark plug resistance and are prone to insulation break
down and internal arcing in the coil when things !
> aren't right.
>
> The link below will take you to a .pdf with lots of really good Champion spark
plug data. Towards the bottom is a listing of current and discontinued plugs
with some descriptions of them. At the top is a listing of what all the numbers
and letters in the spark plug designator mean.
>
>
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402943#402943
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Champion C-26 Plugs |
Thank you very much Oscar and thank Scott for me...the intel. he provided i
s exactly what I was after. I am glad to hear that these plugs were origina
lly used on the A-65 and that they will work fine with my AM-4 mags. The pl
ugs are now installed on my engine and I am currently fabricating the ignit
ion wires and various wire holders/stand-offs.=0A=0A=0A-=0AMichael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretakerAero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Champion C-26 Plugs |
Mike; it cropped the link or didn't include it. Let me try again:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.championaerospace.com%2Fassets%2FAV-14-Jan2010.pdf&ei=gl3AUZXpEeLbyQHbl4FA&usg=AFQjCNGBoFn1YWi0whY8-nqsdG2yKgrB2Q&sig2=NqA59VzAc_uiW-3reaTh6A&bvm=bv.47883778,d.aWc
In case the link doesn't post, I'm sure you can Google it. Look for AV-14-Jan2010.pdf
at championaerospace.com
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo |
the sun was setting..
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| Subject: | Re: engine out.. |
Picked up a coupe of nice doug fir boards today.. and got he plane side scarf cut..
that was the hardest one.. a new pull cut handsaw and a lot of cutting got
it 15:1..
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo |
Great photo!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2013 11:13 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
>From Brodhead 2012.
Photo courtesy of Pat Hoyt.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 8:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
An evocative pic to spur everyone towards the finish line (even if its the
second finish line). How 'bout everyone send in their favorite photo?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: engine out.. |
Just a reminder, you-probably already know this, but No-splices under s
par fittings per ac43-13.=0A-=0AShad=0A=0A=0A____________________________
____=0AFrom: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr
onics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:00 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List
jfaith@solairusaviation.com>=0A=0APicked up a coupe of nice doug fir boards
today.. and got he plane side scarf cut.. that was the hardest one.. a new
pull cut handsaw and a lot of cutting got it 15:1..=0A=0Ajeff=0A=0A=0A=0A
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Hey Larry,
You absolutely are NOT required to have an ELT installed during phase 1 flight
testing, if you do not carry a passenger (which you aren't really supposed to
anyways). You ARE required after phase 1 is complete. It is explained very clearly
in the FAR AIM.
Douwe
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