---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/24/13: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:13 AM - Re: Martha Lunken (stearmandriver) 2. 04:59 AM - Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo (pineymb) 3. 05:54 AM - Re: ELT requirement (l.morlock) 4. 07:00 AM - Re: nose bowl for N92GB (shad bell) 5. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: nose bowl for N92GB (Ken Bickers) 6. 07:46 AM - Re: ELT requirement (AircamperN11MS) 7. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: First engine start on You Tube (Michael Perez) 8. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: First engine start on You Tube (Rick Schreiber) 9. 10:14 AM - Re: Martha Lunken (Andre Abreu) 10. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: ELT requirement (helspersew@aol.com) 11. 12:06 PM - Re: squirrelly on the gear (AircamperN11MS) 12. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: squirrelly on the gear (Gary Boothe) 13. 01:13 PM - Re: squirrelly on the gear (AircamperN11MS) 14. 01:14 PM - Re: squirrelly on the gear (AircamperN11MS) 15. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: squirrelly on the gear (Gary Boothe) 16. 03:32 PM - Re: squirrelly on the gear (Catdesigns) 17. 05:35 PM - Re: squirrelly on the gear (Bill Church) 18. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: squirrelly on the gear (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Martha Lunken From: "stearmandriver" Hello folks, I can add a Martha story. Around 1994, I believe, I was flying for Rhoades Aviation in Columbus Indiana, It was time for me to get typed in the Douglas Sleeper Transport. aka DC-3. I flew to Lunken with the Chief Pilot to meet Martha and do the type/ATP ride. Nervous as heck, this is a big day, we proceed to her office. Nice big desk, nice office, in walks Martha. The oral exam is starting! She can see that I'm scared to death. She eases into her big leather seat, opens up the AIM/FAR. Looks up and over the top of the book and asks....."Dave, do you think my butt looks big in these jeans?" First question of the most important type ride of my life, and this is the way it starts! She made me feel so at ease... The rest of the day was a breeze! What a lady! What an advocate for GA. The FAA lost a great examiner the day she retired. Good to see she still is a D.E. Hope I did not bore anyone, and I look forward to getting home from this trip and picking up my wing wood and fuselage steel. Best Regards, Dave Hughes Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403270#403270 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo From: "pineymb" Sun setting to the West landing Rwy 17 at CJL5 -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403278#403278 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/plane3_405.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:31 AM PST US From: "l.morlock" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT requirement I ended up putting the ELT unit under the pilot's seat and the ground plane & antenna just behind the pilot's seatback, similar to Jack's. Whether an ELT is required seems to be up to your individual DAR's interpretation of the FAR. Mine said I am not conducting training, so I need an ELT regardless of how close or far I am from the airport. Also, I tried to say it was part of the design and testing of the aircraft, but no joy on that one either. I bought a new ELT from ACS for $199.. Had access to older ones, but by the time I modified them and renewed batteries, it was about as cheap to get the new one. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT requirement > > The outdated 121.5 mhz Elts are still enough to make you legal, and are > available used for pretty cheap. I had the one I use given to me by > someone that had updated to the newer version. The 121.5 units don't > really do much good. The guy in the hangar next door set his off > accidently while doing some maintenance, and it went off for 5 days in his > hangar before he was able to shut it off, and nobody except us hangar bums > even checked on it. I use a Spot GPS device for safety. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Narco-ELT-10-System-w-Tray-and-Antenna-/370834214299?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item5657710d9b&vxp=mtr > > As Douwe said, you can spend your phase 1 time shopping and planning the > installation. > > Ben Charvet > (coming to Brodhead by car) > > > On 6/18/2013 11:00 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: >> >> >> Hey Larry, >> >> You absolutely are NOT required to have an ELT installed during phase 1 >> flight testing, if you do not carry a passenger (which you aren't really >> supposed to anyways). You ARE required after phase 1 is complete. It is >> explained very clearly in the FAR AIM. >> >> Douwe >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:44 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: nose bowl for N92GB Ken, The rough measurements are: 24" wide, 23" tall (at the back), and 5" depth. The cooling openings are roughly 8" wide (at top and bottom edges) and 6 " tall. I would recomend widening the nosebowl to 27"-28" or so to get it out to the width of the valve covers. I believe this is what Kurt Shipman did with his, and it does look a little more streamlined and less cumbersome. Our cooling shroud is just a stock corvair fan shroud with the top closed in with a piece of sheet metal, and a "scoop" over the starter for clearance. Read up in the Tony Bingalis books for the method of mounting the nosebowl during fitting/trimming. A plywood disk or foam disk was used to hold the nose bowl in place centered on the prop hub cutout. If Dad has any pictures of him building it I will forward them to you. Hope this helps. Shad Ken Bickers wrote: Subject: nose bowl To: "shad bell" Date: Sunday, June 23, 2013, 11:25 PM Shad, I'm emailing in the hope that you can help with some measurements of your Pietenpol nose bowl. I'm close to being ready to make one, and as I think you know have long admired the one your dad made. If you have a moment, the measurements that would be most helpful are the width, height, depth, intake dimensions, and location of the intake and prop hub holes above/below the horizontal center line and, in the case of the intake holes, the location away from the vertical center line. I'm hoping you and your dad subscribe to the motto that Imitation is the best form of flattery. Cheers, Ken ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: nose bowl for N92GB From: Ken Bickers Shad, Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is very helpful. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:00 AM, shad bell wrote: > > Ken, The rough measurements are: > 24" wide, 23" tall (at the back), and 5" depth. The cooling openings are > roughly 8" wide (at top and bottom edges) and 6 " tall. I would recomend > widening the nosebowl to 27"-28" or so to get it out to the width of the > valve covers. I believe this is what Kurt Shipman did with his, and it > does look a little more streamlined and less cumbersome. Our cooling > shroud is just a stock corvair fan shroud with the top closed in with a > piece of sheet metal, and a "scoop" over the starter for clearance. Read > up in the Tony Bingalis books for the method of mounting the nosebowl > during fitting/trimming. A plywood disk or foam disk was used to hold the > nose bowl in place centered on the prop hub cutout. If Dad has any > pictures of him building it I will forward them to you. Hope this helps. > > Shad > > > Ken Bickers wrote: > > Subject: nose bowl > To: "shad bell" > Date: Sunday, June 23, 2013, 11:25 PM > > Shad, > I'm emailing in the hope that you > can help with some measurements of your Pietenpol nose bowl. > I'm close to being ready to make one, and as I think > you know have long admired the one your dad made. > > If you have a moment, the measurements > that would be most helpful are the width, height, depth, > intake dimensions, and location of the intake and prop hub > holes above/below the horizontal center line and, in the > case of the intake holes, the location away from the > vertical center line. > > I'm hoping you and your dad > subscribe to the motto that Imitation is the best form of > flattery. > Cheers, Ken > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT requirement From: "AircamperN11MS" You guys are correct by stating that ELT's are not required during Phase 1 test flights. However, If you do not have one in the plane for the inspection you will need to contact the DAR or FAA again for a second inspection to verify the installation. This could incur another upcharge from the DAR. at least this is what I have encountered out here on the left coast. I am an EAA Tech Counsoler so I see this question quite often. It is more seamless to just have it already in the plane from the start. My three cents, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403306#403306 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:43 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First engine start on You Tube Great Job Rick. Nice sounding engine and as always, these are the kinds of videos that keep those of us STILL building motivated.- I am also slightl y dissapointed that you did not over-dub some lame, obnoxius music over the entire clip...=0A=0AMust feel like quite the accomplishment, good for you! =0A=0A=0A-=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww .karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:48 AM PST US From: Rick Schreiber Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First engine start on You Tube On 6/24/2013 9:57 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Great Job Rick. Nice sounding engine and as always, these are the > kinds of videos that keep those of us STILL building motivated. I am > also slightly dissapointed that you did not over-dub some lame, > obnoxius music over the entire clip... > > Must feel like quite the accomplishment, good for you! > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > Michael, Whats really great now is that I don't have to sit in the cockpit and make fake engine noises anymore!!!! I just got through ordering a Odyssey PC680 battery so I don't have to jump start anymore. Rick Schreiber NX478RS ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:29 AM PST US From: Andre Abreu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Martha Lunken I took my Sport Pilot checkride with Martha Lunken August 2010 in 6186L at Red Stewart.=0AWhat a day to remember.- She arrived in the morning in her Cessna 180.- For such a mature lady, she sure knows her way around compu ters.- We had problems with the IACRA website and she was able to trouble shoot the issue and get the show on the road.=0A=0AOne memorable part of th e checkride was the departure stall.- She insisted on a full power stall. .. which we never did in this Piet since the CG was so far aft. Those pesky unrecoverable spins and all.- When I babied the stick back, she took ove r and gave the stick a quick yank into "key parts" of my anatomy.- I thin k she grumbled something about a wimp.- I thought I was busted.- I wasn 't giving up though.- After the flight, she asked how I thought I did... I said... "I would pass me!"- She laughed.- She passed me that day, so I decided to get a subscription to flying magazine.- By far, she has the best articles.=0A=0A=0AAndy Abreu=0A6186L=0AKTDZ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: Charles Burkholder =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:50 A M=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Martha Lunken=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Charles Burkholder =0A=0AIntere sting. I did my flight exam with her back in Oct. It was as low =0Astress a nd relaxed as could be. During the test she told me her flying =0Astories o f the area....Many times while reading her flying mag articles =0AI wished I could meet her and never dreamed I would be able to fly with =0Aher.=0ACB =0A=0AOn 06/21/2013 05:08 AM, John Francis wrote:=0A> -->- Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Francis"=0A>=0A> I had a sand wich and coke with Martha Lunken last night.- My Piqua, OH EAA chapter me t at "The End Zone" in Covington, OH for our monthly meeting.- We try to get there at least once a year.- All other meetings are held in the Hartz ell Hangar at the airport.=0A>=0A> Martha regularly flies up from Lunken ai rport in her Cessna 180 for the meeting and flies home the same evening.- She will likely by my flight examiner when I go for my Sport License.=0A> =0A> She told me she once owned a Pietenpol built by Bernard himself.- Sh e believes it is now in Wisconsin.- Can anyone tell me more about the whe reabouts of this aircraft and who owns it?=0A>=0A> Thanks=0A>=0A> -------- =0A> John Francis=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403078#403078=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> = ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT requirement From: helspersew@aol.com Still haven't put mine in.....resisting.......arrrrg. I guess I'll just tak e it out of the Aeronca. Its one of those that just slips into a channel fo r installation. I can only fly one airplane at a time anyhow. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: AircamperN11MS Sent: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:19 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT requirement y.org> You guys are correct by stating that ELT's are not required during Phase 1 test flights. However, If you do not have one in the plane for the inspection y ou will need to contact the DAR or FAA again for a second inspection to verify the installation. This could incur another upcharge from the DAR. at least th is is what I have encountered out here on the left coast. I am an EAA Tech Couns oler so I see this question quite often. It is more seamless to just have it al ready in the plane from the start. My three cents, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403306#403306 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear From: "AircamperN11MS" I just measured mine yesterday. Tread width is 52" and the top of the longeron is 49.5" . -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403334#403334 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear From: Gary Boothe I'll be the first to admit that my problems may be as much pilot related as anything, but my re-work includes a spring and a bonafide Matco tailwheel like Mike Groah and Kevin's, placing the wheel further back. My plans-built set up has always been sloppy. Scott - Your width is the same as mine is now, but the longeron height is 3" less...FWIW... Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 12:06 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > I just measured mine yesterday. Tread width is 52" and the top of the longeron is 49.5" . > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403334#403334 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear From: "AircamperN11MS" Gary, I think the tail wheel mod will correct your problem also. What the heck is TWIW? My tail wheel fork is one from Vans. Non-swival. Works very well. An RV-6 builder gave me mine and I adapted it to my airplane. I can take pics next time I am at the airport. Maybe Friday? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403339#403339 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear From: "AircamperN11MS" FWIW ??? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403340#403340 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear From: Gary Boothe Right...corrected by I-phone! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 1:14 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > FWIW ??? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403340#403340 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear From: "Catdesigns" Scott No need to take pictures. There ARE pictures of it on my website. Just say-en....... http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Scott%20Liefeld/images/IMG_5515.JPG Chris -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403351#403351 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear From: "Bill Church" That sure looks like a swivelling tailwheel to me. But what do I know. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403357#403357 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear From: Gary Boothe There's a difference between metric swiveling and US Standard swiveling. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 5:35 PM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > That sure looks like a swivelling tailwheel to me. > But what do I know. > > BC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403357#403357 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.