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Thu 06/27/13


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 05:07 AM - Anchorage Piet Project (Jim Markle)
     2. 05:18 AM - Re: Anchorage Piet Project (Jack)
     3. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary (Michael Perez)
     4. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: New Spar (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     5. 07:51 AM - Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary (Jack Phillips)
     6. 07:55 AM - Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014 (AircamperN11MS)
     7. 08:02 AM - Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary (John Hofmann)
     8. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014 (Michael Groah)
     9. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014 (Jim Boyer)
    10. 10:22 AM - Re: projects near Anchorage, AK (taildrags)
    11. 10:29 AM - Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary (John Egan)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:07:54 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Anchorage Piet Project
    Not sure who sent the Anchorage note but there is a Piet builder in Anchorage, very nice guy! At least he was building a few years ago. Contact me offlist and I'll see if I can find the contact info. VERY sad to be staying in Oklahoma instead to going to Brodhead!!!! Jim Markle


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    Time: 05:18:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Anchorage Piet Project
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    What Markle! No Brodhead! Very sad... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jun 27, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote: > > Not sure who sent the Anchorage note but there is a Piet builder in Anchorage, very nice guy! > > At least he was building a few years ago. > > Contact me offlist and I'll see if I can find the contact info. > > VERY sad to be staying in Oklahoma instead to going to Brodhead!!!! Jim Markle > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:57:30 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
    I believe I bought both oil temp. and pressure gauges from Summit Racing. T hey came with multiple fittings and adapted just fine to my engine. The cap illary tube was more than long enough...I have the excess coiled up in the instrument panel. I am yet to run the engine, so I can't say how these perf orm.=0A=0AIf still interested, I can get you pictures and details.=0A=0A=0A -=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetake raero.com


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    Time: 06:47:32 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: New Spar
    In a message dated 6/26/2013 11:37:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Gary; I had no idea you were in need of spar material or I'd have chimed in as well. If that spar is Doug fir, I would have offered you any of the six straight, clear, tight-grained DF spar planks that are sitting in my hangar, waiting on my next aviation whim. They are rough milled and just waiting to be run through the planer. However, it looks like you have yourself a new candidate, ready for duty. I will second, third, and fourth the sentiment expressed by so many others: Pietenpeople are simply the best. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403502#403502 We have the shop slab poured and the building will follow as the rains allow. Reminds me of those old MGM movies when it rained more than sunshine but being on the Gulf its what happens. If you want just crate it all and ship rail or motor freight, cheapest, as Ill be ready to begin as soon as the roof is on and my health continues to stabalize. CMC


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    Time: 07:51:49 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
    P/N 10-11700 $71.00 in ACS 2011 catalog, which is the latest I have Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary Thanks Jack, Could you find the part number or description in ACS? I will search more as well. Before I asked this group, I tried finding these parts in ACS with no luck, I also tried looking for the correct terminology in the 1939 Continental engine manual, I tried searching in Univair, with no luck, and I learned a lot from Tony B. I could go either way, aircraft or automotive...but would like to learn my options. I ran to the auto store during lunch, and the oil temp kit I looked at had a variety of fitting styles in the package. I think it may have had a compression fitting cap that had a slot in the side of it to slip onto the capcapillary, but it was package up and hard to see exactly what was in there. I'm at work right now, and "Lunchtime Aviation" is encroaching into business hours :) Thank all. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote: John, I doubt an automotive oil temp bulb would have the right fittings to fit into the oil screen assembly, but it might. I think the oil screen assembly has a 5/8-18 thread. If the automotive temp bulb has the same size thread it should work. On mine I just bought one from ACS, with a 72" capillary tube and it worked fine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary I'm at the point of my Aircamper project where I need to install an Oil Temperature gage including the capillary (tube) and bulb (sensor at the engine block). I don't know what to buy for this, can you guys help? I realize that many people use an automotive oil temp gage. Being that the capillary is permanantly attached to the gage (according to Tony Bingelis - yes I did my home work), I assume the capillary tube and fittings come with the gage. I realize that an aircraft (Continental A65-8 engine in this case) engine utilizes a temperature bulb that sets inside the oil temp well on the engine block oil temp screen houising , and it is attached using what I would call a compression fitting cap. One of my questions is " if I buy an automotive oil temp gage assembly, will it have the correct fittings to adapt to the existing A65-8 engine?" (if you know what I mean). I also realize that many of today's temperature gages use a temperature sensor instead of the temperature bulb. I assume the automotive sensor fits nicely into the oil screen housing as well. The bottom line is, do I have anything to be concerned with when buying an automotive oil temp gage assembly? So, any thoughts on temperature gage ASSEMBLIES, and CONNECTION at the engine block? While we're at it, same goes for the oil pressure gage assembly. Parts selection will be easier for me on this because we only need to plumb an oil line from the engine block to the gage, using 1/8" copper tubing (again referencing Tony B.). Something interesting that I learned (Tony B.) is that a person should make sure the oil tube fitting at the engine block is restricted to only about a 1/16" diameter hole to minimize loss of oil due to a broken oil line. Thanks, john egan see you at Brodhead - this year I'll be the guy looking at oil gages. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 07:55:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Oscar, Your trip down should be a quick one since it is all down hill from Mt Shasta. Getting home could be an uphill battle. I have flown through there. It is fantastic country to see from a Piet. Shasta makes you feel like a tiny little ant on the planet. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403514#403514


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    Time: 08:02:15 AM PST US
    From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
    Subject: Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
    theRocket has the same gauge. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/oiltempgauges1.php John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 27, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote: > P/N 10-11700 $71.00 in ACS 2011 catalog, which is the latest I have > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:35 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary > > Thanks Jack, Could you find the part number or description in ACS? I will search more as well. Before I asked this group, I tried finding these parts in ACS with no luck, I also tried looking for the correct terminology in the 1939 Continental engine manual, I tried searching in Univair, with no luck, and I learned a lot from Tony B. > > I could go either way, aircraft or automotive...but would like to learn my options. I ran to the auto store during lunch, and the oil temp kit I looked at had a variety of fitting styles in the package. I think it may have had a compression fitting cap that had a slot in the side of it to slip onto the capcapillary, but it was package up and hard to see exactly what was in there. > > I'm at work right now, and "Lunchtime Aviation" is encroaching into business hours :) > > Thank all. > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote: > John, > > I doubt an automotive oil temp bulb would have the right fittings to fit into the oil screen assembly, but it might. I think the oil screen assembly has a 5/8-18 thread. If the automotive temp bulb has the same size thread it should work. On mine I just bought one from ACS, with a 72=94 capillary tube and it worked fine. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:18 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary > > I'm at the point of my Aircamper project where I need to install an Oil Temperature gage including the capillary (tube) and bulb (sensor at the engine block). I don't know what to buy for this, can you guys help? > > I realize that many people use an automotive oil temp gage. Being that the capillary is permanantly attached to the gage (according to Tony Bingelis - yes I did my home work), I assume the capillary tube and fittings come with the gage. I realize that an aircraft (Continental A65-8 engine in this case) engine utilizes a temperature bulb that sets inside the oil temp well on the engine block oil temp screen houising , and it is attached using what I would call a compression fitting cap. One of my questions is " if I buy an automotive oil temp gage assembly, will it have the correct fittings to adapt to the existing A65-8 engine?" (if you know what I mean). > > I also realize that many of today's temperature gages use a temperature sensor instead of the temperature bulb. I assume the automotive sensor fits nicely into the oil screen housing as well. The bottom line is, do I have anything to be concerned with when buying an automotive oil temp gage assembly? > > So, any thoughts on temperature gage ASSEMBLIES, and CONNECTION at the engine block? > > While we're at it, same goes for the oil pressure gage assembly. Parts selection will be easier for me on this because we only need to plumb an oil line from the engine block to the gage, using 1/8" copper tubing (again referencing Tony B.). Something interesting that I learned (Tony B.) is that a person should make sure the oil tube fitting at the engine block is restricted to only about a 1/16" diameter hole to minimize loss of oil due to a broken oil line. > > Thanks, > > john egan > see you at Brodhead - this year I'll be the guy looking at oil gages. > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > >


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    Time: 08:51:14 AM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
    Wow... thats great news Oscar.- I look forward to seeing you there next J une.- =0A=0AMike Groah=0A414MV=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________________ ____=0A From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matron ics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:43 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List : Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message poste d by: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0A=0ASomebody mark this day on th e calendar, please: I just received official sanction to make the journey t o Frazier Lake next June.- My dear, sweet, understanding wife didn't even hesitate when I showed her the centerfold spread of pictures in the curren t issue of BPA Newsletter, showing some of the planes that showed up for th e West Coast event this year.- I pointed out Scout's similarity to Mike M adrid's airplane and she agreed that "it's cute, just like yours!"=0A=0AA q uick and rough check on SkyVector's flight planner shows a do-able route of about 340 nautical, which should be around 8 hours of time including fuel stops, with no wind.- A pipe dream, I'm sure, but even with winds I shoul d be able to make it entirely in daylight hours, VFR, but I will need the h andheld due to a couple of controlled fields along the way.- Let the plan ning begin.=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot;=0AA75 power=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403503#403503=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================0A ===================


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    Time: 08:57:30 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
    Good deal Oscar; looking forward to seeing you and Scout at Frazier Lake next June. Jim B.


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    Time: 10:22:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: projects near Anchorage, AK
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Dave; The Begich Middle School students there in Anchorage have an Aerial project that they are working on (St. Croix' biplane adaptation of the Air Camper). I think Rob Stapleton was the guy who put that together, but I don't know for sure. Since school is out for the summer, I'm not sure who you might try, but it might be interesting. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403524#403524


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    Time: 10:29:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
    From: John Egan <1smilingmoon@gmail.com>
    Thank you everyone who has provided information regarding the oil gages. All of this really helps me understand the options, installation concerns, and the like. I'll probably wait until after Brodhead, before buying anything, as I'll see a bunch of good installations there and copy one, now that I know what to buy. You guys have helped me. john On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:02 AM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>w rote: > theRocket has the same gauge. > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/oiltempgauges1.php > > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > On Jun 27, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> > wrote: > > ****** > > P/N 10-11700 $71.00 in ACS 2011 catalog, which is the latest I have**** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP**** > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Egan > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:35 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary**** > > ** ** > > Thanks Jack, Could you find the part number or description in ACS? I > will search more as well. Before I asked this group, I tried finding the se > parts in ACS with no luck, I also tried looking for the correct terminolo gy > in the 1939 Continental engine manual, I tried searching in Univair, with > no luck, and I learned a lot from Tony B. **** > > **** > > I could go either way, aircraft or automotive...but would like to learn m y > options. I ran to the auto store during lunch, and the oil temp kit I > looked at had a variety of fitting styles in the package. I think it may > have had a compression fitting cap that had a slot in the side of it to > slip onto the capcapillary, but it was package up and hard to see exactly > what was in there.**** > > **** > > I'm at work right now, and "Lunchtime Aviation" is encroaching into > business hours :) **** > > **** > > Thank all. **** > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com > > wrote:**** > > John,**** > > **** > > I doubt an automotive oil temp bulb would have the right fittings to fit > into the oil screen assembly, but it might. I think the oil screen > assembly has a 5/8-18 thread. If the automotive temp bulb has the same > size thread it should work. On mine I just bought one from ACS, with a 7 2=94 > capillary tube and it worked fine.**** > > **** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP**** > > ****Smith Mountain Lake**, **Virginia******** > > **** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Egan > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:18 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary**** > > **** > > I'm at the point of my Aircamper project where I need to install an Oil > Temperature gage including the capillary (tube) and bulb (sensor at the > engine block). I don't know what to buy for this, can you guys help? ** * > * > > **** > > I realize that many people use an automotive oil temp gage. Being that > the capillary is permanantly attached to the gage (according to Tony > Bingelis - yes I did my home work), I assume the capillary tube and > fittings come with the gage. I realize that an aircraft (Continental A65 -8 > engine in this case) engine utilizes a temperature bulb that sets inside > the oil temp well on the engine block oil temp screen houising , and it i s > attached using what I would call a compression fitting cap. One of my > questions is " if I buy an automotive oil temp gage assembly, will it hav e > the correct fittings to adapt to the existing A65-8 engine?" (if you know > what I mean).**** > > **** > > I also realize that many of today's temperature gages use a temperature > sensor instead of the temperature bulb. I assume the automotive sensor > fits nicely into the oil screen housing as well. The bottom line is, do I > have anything to be concerned with when buying an automotive oil temp gag e > assembly?**** > > **** > > So, any thoughts on temperature gage ASSEMBLIES, and CONNECTION at the > engine block?**** > > **** > > While we're at it, same goes for the oil pressure gage assembly. Parts > selection will be easier for me on this because we only need to plumb an > oil line from the engine block to the gage, using 1/8" copper tubing (aga in > referencing Tony B.). Something interesting that I learned (Tony B.) is > that a person should make sure the oil tube fitting at the engine block i s > restricted to only about a 1/16" diameter hole to minimize loss of oil du e > to a broken oil line. **** > > **** > > Thanks,**** > > **** > > john egan**** > > see you at Brodhead - this year I'll be the guy looking at oil gages. *** * > > **** > > **** > > **** > > * ***** > > * ***** > > ** ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List***** > > *http://forums.matronics.com***** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution***** > > * ***** > > * * > > * * > > *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *ttp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > ** ** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution > * > > ****** > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > >




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