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1. 04:52 AM - Re: Scotty's Air Camper build in Australia (bubbleboy)
2. 06:44 AM - "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (Michael Perez)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (Alan Coker)
4. 10:10 AM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (Mark Roberts)
5. 11:14 AM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (taildrags)
6. 12:44 PM - Items from cleaned out Hangar (tkreiner)
7. 01:53 PM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (dgaldrich)
8. 02:00 PM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (Mark Roberts)
9. 02:22 PM - Another Black and Yellow German? (Jack Phillips)
10. 04:19 PM - Re: Another Black and Yellow German? (K5YAC)
11. 05:47 PM - Re: Another Black and Yellow German? (M. Zeke Zechini)
12. 07:03 PM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (tools)
13. 07:56 PM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (Mark Roberts)
14. 08:05 PM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (taildrags)
15. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
16. 11:07 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: Scotty's Air Camper build in Australia |
Jerry...I decided to use the saw horse. Might put a couple of bolts through and
tie the hell out of it with bungees. What do ya think?..;o)
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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Subject: | "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) |
While trying to separate a stringer that was already nicely T-88'd to the f
uselage tail area of the fuselage, I almost removed my left thumb. I told m
yself-: "Move your hand out of the way before the wood chisel bust throug
h the wood and removes a finger." But did I? Nope.- I "had" to hold the f
uselage just like I was because it was the "best" place to do so while push
ing a wood chisel under the stringer.- Pushing, wiggling, pushing, wiggli
ng, push...POP!- Off came the stringer, chisel found hand...into thumb bo
ne.- I'll save you all the rest of the details, but free movement of the
thumb did not return for about 3 weeks, feeling and sensitivity another 3 o
r so on top of that...good times.=0A-=0AOh and my wife will get weak, pal
e and eventually pass out at the site of blood...=0A-=0AMichael Perez=0AP
ietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/=0A=0A
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Subject: | "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) |
I've done that before. Chisel's are deadly.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
While trying to separate a stringer that was already nicely T-88'd to the f
uselage tail area of the fuselage, I almost removed my left thumb. I told m
yself : "Move your hand out of the way before the wood chisel bust through
the wood and removes a finger." But did I? Nope. I "had" to hold the fusel
age just like I was because it was the "best" place to do so while pushing
a wood chisel under the stringer. Pushing, wiggling, pushing, wiggling, pu
sh...POP! Off came the stringer, chisel found hand...into thumb bone. I'l
l save you all the rest of the details, but free movement of the thumb did
not return for about 3 weeks, feeling and sensitivity another 3 or so on to
p of that...good times.
Oh and my wife will get weak, pale and eventually pass out at the site of b
lood...
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
http://www.karetakeraero.com/
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Subject: | Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) |
What?! No pictures?? ;)
I posted originally so I could prompt others to post "War Stories" so I wouldn't
feel so stupid. I learned something from yours Michael, so thanks for posting!
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Subject: | Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) |
Most of my little war wounds have to do with metal. I never believe that sharp
metal edges will get me, that I'll be careful, that it's too far to go across
the room to get a pair of gloves, that those edges really aren't all that sharp.
They are, and in the rock/paper/scissors world of the shop or hangar, either
6061 or 4130 beats human flesh every time.
Then there was the time I stuck an X-Acto knife in my back pocket, just for a minute,
to free up my hand for something else. While walking across the room later,
the knuckle of my index finger found the razor-sharp knife blade, so the
slice was quick and almost painless but I painted the bathroom red before it
was all over and the scar will be there forever.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Items from cleaned out Hangar |
In order to get the C-90 items for the engine I'm building - intake runners, pistons,
etc., I purchased a pallet full of stuff, and some of this is surplus to
my project.
I've got a dual plug Model A Ford cast aluminum head - asking $400 OBO, a Stromberg
NAS3A1 Carb (brass floats NICE condition - supposed to be rebuilt) - asking
$325 OBO.
Can bring to Brodhead or ship tomorrow. PM me if interested... Don't have pics
yet, but can send if you need em.
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Tom Kreiner
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Subject: | Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) |
Everybody who has NOT done something stupid (like these anecdotes), stand up.
Gee, I wonder why everybody, especially including me, is still sitting down.
I'm guessing the only difference among us is the size and visibility of scar tissue
and/or the absence of small body parts.
I tell my wife, it's not blood, it's "red indicating fluid".
Dave
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Subject: | Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) |
Red indicating fluid!! I'm stealing that one for myself!
dgaldrich wrote:
> Everybody who has NOT done something stupid (like these anecdotes), stand up.
Gee, I wonder why everybody, especially including me, is still sitting down.
I'm guessing the only difference among us is the size and visibility of scar
tissue and/or the absence of small body parts.
>
> I tell my wife, it's not blood, it's "red indicating fluid".
>
> Dave
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Subject: | Another Black and Yellow German? |
This weekend Karen and I flew our RV-4 to northern Virginia to attend a
wedding. We landed at Winchester and spent Saturday night with some friends
there. Sunday morning, the weather was too bad to return to Smith Mountain
Lake, so we flew south to Culpeper, where Gene Rambo was nearing completion
on his Pietenpol. We were able to help him with a couple of minor tasks,
but were unable to fly any further since the weather just got worse. His
Model A powered Pietenpol is absolutely gorgeous. Gene and I rolled it out
of the hangar and cranked it up and it purrs like a kitten - the smoothest
running model A I've ever seen.
Since we couldn't fly back home yesterday, Karen and I spent the night with
Gene and his family, enjoying a scrumptious steak dinner in the process, and
planned to leave this morning. We left, but in a rental car since the
weather was low IFR all the way home for us (it is raining at Smith Mountain
Lake as I write this). I'll have to get back to Culpeper and retrieve the
airplane later this week when the stationary front that has plagued us for
the last several days finally moves out to sea.
Gene just sent me a text message saying that the FAA has signed off his
airplane, and if the rain will hold off he expects the first flight to be
tomorrow morning!
Now he's got to get busy to fly off the hours so we can fly together to
Brodhead in 3 weeks. Maybe when I get back there to retrieve the RV-4 I can
help him put a few hours on it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: | Re: Another Black and Yellow German? |
Thanks for the update Jack... look forward to seeing it.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Subject: | Re: Another Black and Yellow German? |
Jack:
I am 1/3 share in Piper Comanche based at Manassas. My folks live in Lynchbu
rg. Currently getting attitude indicator replaced, but if finished soon, I c
ould visit folks, briefly, pop into Smith Mtn Lake, then stop into KCJR on r
eturn, drop you off.
I am planning on Brodhead..hopefully. Keep my purchased GN-1 at 3VA7.
Zeke
NX431LA
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 1, 2013, at 5:22 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote
:
> This weekend Karen and I flew our RV-4 to northern Virginia to attend a we
dding. We landed at Winchester and spent Saturday night with some friends t
here. Sunday morning, the weather was too bad to return to Smith Mountain L
ake, so we flew south to Culpeper, where Gene Rambo was nearing completion o
n his Pietenpol. We were able to help him with a couple of minor tasks, but
were unable to fly any further since the weather just got worse. His Model
A powered Pietenpol is absolutely gorgeous. Gene and I rolled it out of th
e hangar and cranked it up and it purrs like a kitten =93 the smoothes
t running model A I=99ve ever seen.
>
> Since we couldn=99t fly back home yesterday, Karen and I spent the n
ight with Gene and his family, enjoying a scrumptious steak dinner in the pr
ocess, and planned to leave this morning. We left, but in a rental car sinc
e the weather was low IFR all the way home for us (it is raining at Smith Mo
untain Lake as I write this). I=99ll have to get back to Culpeper and
retrieve the airplane later this week when the stationary front that has pl
agued us for the last several days finally moves out to sea.
>
> Gene just sent me a text message saying that the FAA has signed off his ai
rplane, and if the rain will hold off he expects the first flight to be tomo
rrow morning!
>
> Now he=99s got to get busy to fly off the hours so we can fly togeth
er to Brodhead in 3 weeks. Maybe when I get back there to retrieve the RV-4
I can help him put a few hours on it.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) |
In the Navy this was called "true confessions"...
So there I was, chiseling a puzzle part (burr puzzle) thinking, gee, if the chisel
slips, I'm gonna jab the palm of my hand. Wouldn't that make a nice safety
video of what NOT to do? Followed IMMEDIATELY by the chisel slipping.
Years later, I'm screwing in a pocket screw with my cordless drill, holding all
the parts in VERY much the same fashion as I was the chisel that day about 15
years before, remembering that day... followed IMMEDIATELY by the bit jumping
out of the screw and into my palm. I was able to push all the little globules
of fat that wrapped around the bit back into the wound before taping it all
up.
Ya know, when the hair on the back of your head stands up, you should sit down!
Like immediately. I'm usually pretty good about that, but it seems EVERY time
I don't, wham.
It's all the electrical goofs I feel the luckiest to have survived.
Not a whole lot different than, I'm pretty sure that mark is in the right place,
BUZZ, through the saw it goes... EXACTLY one inch short because I was "smart"
enough to use the ruler starting at the one for more accuracy. Always nice
to know you're EXACTLY one inch short...
Grab a chair and a beer guys, I've got LOTS of these stories... geesh.
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Subject: | Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) |
I love these stories! I don't feel so "alone" :D
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Subject: | Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) |
Gosh, Tools- I thought I was the only one who measured starting at the 1" mark!
All of my yardsticks and rulers seem to have rounded ends or the first couple
of marks are all but obliterated, so I start from the 1" when I need accurate
measurements. Accurate to the nearest inch, that is!! I've done it so many
times...
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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