---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/01/13: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:52 AM - Re: Scotty's Air Camper build in Australia (bubbleboy) 2. 06:44 AM - "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (Michael Perez) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (Alan Coker) 4. 10:10 AM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (Mark Roberts) 5. 11:14 AM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (taildrags) 6. 12:44 PM - Items from cleaned out Hangar (tkreiner) 7. 01:53 PM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (dgaldrich) 8. 02:00 PM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (Mark Roberts) 9. 02:22 PM - Another Black and Yellow German? (Jack Phillips) 10. 04:19 PM - Re: Another Black and Yellow German? (K5YAC) 11. 05:47 PM - Re: Another Black and Yellow German? (M. Zeke Zechini) 12. 07:03 PM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (tools) 13. 07:56 PM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (Mark Roberts) 14. 08:05 PM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (taildrags) 15. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 16. 11:07 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scotty's Air Camper build in Australia From: "bubbleboy" Jerry...I decided to use the saw horse. Might put a couple of bolts through and tie the hell out of it with bungees. What do ya think?..;o) -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403685#403685 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:57 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) While trying to separate a stringer that was already nicely T-88'd to the f uselage tail area of the fuselage, I almost removed my left thumb. I told m yself-: "Move your hand out of the way before the wood chisel bust throug h the wood and removes a finger." But did I? Nope.- I "had" to hold the f uselage just like I was because it was the "best" place to do so while push ing a wood chisel under the stringer.- Pushing, wiggling, pushing, wiggli ng, push...POP!- Off came the stringer, chisel found hand...into thumb bo ne.- I'll save you all the rest of the details, but free movement of the thumb did not return for about 3 weeks, feeling and sensitivity another 3 o r so on top of that...good times.=0A-=0AOh and my wife will get weak, pal e and eventually pass out at the site of blood...=0A-=0AMichael Perez=0AP ietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/=0A=0A > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:35 AM PST US From: Alan Coker Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) I've done that before. Chisel's are deadly. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) While trying to separate a stringer that was already nicely T-88'd to the f uselage tail area of the fuselage, I almost removed my left thumb. I told m yself : "Move your hand out of the way before the wood chisel bust through the wood and removes a finger." But did I? Nope. I "had" to hold the fusel age just like I was because it was the "best" place to do so while pushing a wood chisel under the stringer. Pushing, wiggling, pushing, wiggling, pu sh...POP! Off came the stringer, chisel found hand...into thumb bone. I'l l save you all the rest of the details, but free movement of the thumb did not return for about 3 weeks, feeling and sensitivity another 3 or so on to p of that...good times. Oh and my wife will get weak, pale and eventually pass out at the site of b lood... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero http://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) From: "Mark Roberts" What?! No pictures?? ;) I posted originally so I could prompt others to post "War Stories" so I wouldn't feel so stupid. I learned something from yours Michael, so thanks for posting! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403715#403715 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) From: "taildrags" Most of my little war wounds have to do with metal. I never believe that sharp metal edges will get me, that I'll be careful, that it's too far to go across the room to get a pair of gloves, that those edges really aren't all that sharp. They are, and in the rock/paper/scissors world of the shop or hangar, either 6061 or 4130 beats human flesh every time. Then there was the time I stuck an X-Acto knife in my back pocket, just for a minute, to free up my hand for something else. While walking across the room later, the knuckle of my index finger found the razor-sharp knife blade, so the slice was quick and almost painless but I painted the bathroom red before it was all over and the scar will be there forever. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403730#403730 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Items from cleaned out Hangar From: "tkreiner" In order to get the C-90 items for the engine I'm building - intake runners, pistons, etc., I purchased a pallet full of stuff, and some of this is surplus to my project. I've got a dual plug Model A Ford cast aluminum head - asking $400 OBO, a Stromberg NAS3A1 Carb (brass floats NICE condition - supposed to be rebuilt) - asking $325 OBO. Can bring to Brodhead or ship tomorrow. PM me if interested... Don't have pics yet, but can send if you need em. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403732#403732 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) From: "dgaldrich" Everybody who has NOT done something stupid (like these anecdotes), stand up. Gee, I wonder why everybody, especially including me, is still sitting down. I'm guessing the only difference among us is the size and visibility of scar tissue and/or the absence of small body parts. I tell my wife, it's not blood, it's "red indicating fluid". Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403737#403737 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) From: "Mark Roberts" Red indicating fluid!! I'm stealing that one for myself! dgaldrich wrote: > Everybody who has NOT done something stupid (like these anecdotes), stand up. Gee, I wonder why everybody, especially including me, is still sitting down. I'm guessing the only difference among us is the size and visibility of scar tissue and/or the absence of small body parts. > > I tell my wife, it's not blood, it's "red indicating fluid". > > Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403739#403739 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:33 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Black and Yellow German? This weekend Karen and I flew our RV-4 to northern Virginia to attend a wedding. We landed at Winchester and spent Saturday night with some friends there. Sunday morning, the weather was too bad to return to Smith Mountain Lake, so we flew south to Culpeper, where Gene Rambo was nearing completion on his Pietenpol. We were able to help him with a couple of minor tasks, but were unable to fly any further since the weather just got worse. His Model A powered Pietenpol is absolutely gorgeous. Gene and I rolled it out of the hangar and cranked it up and it purrs like a kitten - the smoothest running model A I've ever seen. Since we couldn't fly back home yesterday, Karen and I spent the night with Gene and his family, enjoying a scrumptious steak dinner in the process, and planned to leave this morning. We left, but in a rental car since the weather was low IFR all the way home for us (it is raining at Smith Mountain Lake as I write this). I'll have to get back to Culpeper and retrieve the airplane later this week when the stationary front that has plagued us for the last several days finally moves out to sea. Gene just sent me a text message saying that the FAA has signed off his airplane, and if the rain will hold off he expects the first flight to be tomorrow morning! Now he's got to get busy to fly off the hours so we can fly together to Brodhead in 3 weeks. Maybe when I get back there to retrieve the RV-4 I can help him put a few hours on it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Black and Yellow German? From: "K5YAC" Thanks for the update Jack... look forward to seeing it. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403748#403748 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Black and Yellow German? From: "M. Zeke Zechini" Jack: I am 1/3 share in Piper Comanche based at Manassas. My folks live in Lynchbu rg. Currently getting attitude indicator replaced, but if finished soon, I c ould visit folks, briefly, pop into Smith Mtn Lake, then stop into KCJR on r eturn, drop you off. I am planning on Brodhead..hopefully. Keep my purchased GN-1 at 3VA7. Zeke NX431LA Sent from my iPad On Jul 1, 2013, at 5:22 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote : > This weekend Karen and I flew our RV-4 to northern Virginia to attend a we dding. We landed at Winchester and spent Saturday night with some friends t here. Sunday morning, the weather was too bad to return to Smith Mountain L ake, so we flew south to Culpeper, where Gene Rambo was nearing completion o n his Pietenpol. We were able to help him with a couple of minor tasks, but were unable to fly any further since the weather just got worse. His Model A powered Pietenpol is absolutely gorgeous. Gene and I rolled it out of th e hangar and cranked it up and it purrs like a kitten =93 the smoothes t running model A I=99ve ever seen. > > Since we couldn=99t fly back home yesterday, Karen and I spent the n ight with Gene and his family, enjoying a scrumptious steak dinner in the pr ocess, and planned to leave this morning. We left, but in a rental car sinc e the weather was low IFR all the way home for us (it is raining at Smith Mo untain Lake as I write this). I=99ll have to get back to Culpeper and retrieve the airplane later this week when the stationary front that has pl agued us for the last several days finally moves out to sea. > > Gene just sent me a text message saying that the FAA has signed off his ai rplane, and if the rain will hold off he expects the first flight to be tomo rrow morning! > > Now he=99s got to get busy to fly off the hours so we can fly togeth er to Brodhead in 3 weeks. Maybe when I get back there to retrieve the RV-4 I can help him put a few hours on it. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) From: "tools" In the Navy this was called "true confessions"... So there I was, chiseling a puzzle part (burr puzzle) thinking, gee, if the chisel slips, I'm gonna jab the palm of my hand. Wouldn't that make a nice safety video of what NOT to do? Followed IMMEDIATELY by the chisel slipping. Years later, I'm screwing in a pocket screw with my cordless drill, holding all the parts in VERY much the same fashion as I was the chisel that day about 15 years before, remembering that day... followed IMMEDIATELY by the bit jumping out of the screw and into my palm. I was able to push all the little globules of fat that wrapped around the bit back into the wound before taping it all up. Ya know, when the hair on the back of your head stands up, you should sit down! Like immediately. I'm usually pretty good about that, but it seems EVERY time I don't, wham. It's all the electrical goofs I feel the luckiest to have survived. Not a whole lot different than, I'm pretty sure that mark is in the right place, BUZZ, through the saw it goes... EXACTLY one inch short because I was "smart" enough to use the ruler starting at the one for more accuracy. Always nice to know you're EXACTLY one inch short... Grab a chair and a beer guys, I've got LOTS of these stories... geesh. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403762#403762 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) From: "Mark Roberts" I love these stories! I don't feel so "alone" :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403764#403764 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) From: "taildrags" Gosh, Tools- I thought I was the only one who measured starting at the 1" mark! 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Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:08 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. 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