---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/05/13: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Poly-Fiber (John Francis) 2. 05:45 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber (C N Campbell) 3. 06:03 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber (C N Campbell) 4. 06:23 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber (John Francis) 5. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: Poly-Fiber (gliderx5@comcast.net) 6. 07:05 AM - Re: repair (taildrags) 7. 07:08 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber (Marcus Zechini) 8. 08:43 AM - Aileron Spar (John Francis) 9. 09:05 AM - Re: Aileron Spar (Ken Bickers) 10. 09:25 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber (Mario Giacummo) 11. 05:43 PM - Brodhead 2013 (IT Girl) 12. 06:31 PM - Re: Poly-Fiber (dgaldrich) 13. 08:20 PM - Re: Brodhead 2013 (Mark Roberts) 14. 08:22 PM - Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) (Mark Roberts) 15. 08:33 PM - Re: Brodhead 2013 (Jim Boyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber From: "John Francis" Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look. Thanks John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403971#403971 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:45 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber Yes, John, I have a homemade DVD that I copied from the video tape. I guess I got the tape back in the '80s when I was using the Poly-Fibre to redo an old Tripacer that I converted into a PA-20 Pacer (tail-dragger). I can also lend you a Poly-Fibre manual. Give me the information and I will send them to you. Don't have any dacron fabric to donate. I'm not at that stage yet. Chuck cncampbell@windstream.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 7:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber > > Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard > of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look. > > Thanks > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403971#403971 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:56 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber #2. I can also send a copy of Practical Guide to Aircraft Fabric from Denison Aviation. Suggest also you get a copy of Stewart Systems DVDs. They only cost $20 and, as far as I'm concerned, it is the ONLY way to go when covering an airplane. From experience, the Polytac glue is very difficult to use. You need to put glue on about a foot long and IMMEDIATELY work the fabric into it. The glue dries very quickly. With the Stewart glue, you apply the glue to the surfaces and let it dry before applying the fabric. You can see the basic method on Youtube videos. If you still want the Polytac stuff, let me know. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 7:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber > > Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard > of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look. > > Thanks > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403971#403971 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber From: "John Francis" Thanks Chuck. You know I could be convinced to use the Stewart System. I know it is very popular here on the Piet forum. I have a friend who is somewhat "old school" and is trying to persuade me to go with the poly-fiber system because it is proven. I need to get off the fence and make my decision. I will look into it a bit further in the next few days. Thanks for offers for now. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403980#403980 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:45 AM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber John I agree with Chuck. I've used Stewarts on 3 projects and will never go back to Polyfiber. Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:23:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber Thanks Chuck. You know I could be convinced to use the Stewart System. I know it is very popular here on the Piet forum. I have a friend who is somewhat "old school" and is trying to persuade me to go with the poly-fiber system because it is proven. I need to get off the fence and make my decision. I will look into it a bit further in the next few days. Thanks for offers for now. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403980#403980 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: repair From: "taildrags" Not an incident, not an accident... what we're talking about here is what is referred to as "deferred maintenance". Meaning, I've known about this stuff, some of it came up on the last annual, but I've just been putting things off. Time to take care of all of it. Truth be told, I enjoy working on the airplane a lot, too. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403984#403984 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber From: Marcus Zechini I wanted the DVD but didnt wanna pay. I bought the book and a starter kit from A/C Spruce. havent strecthed, yet. On Jul 5, 2013 7:19 AM, "John Francis" wrote: > > Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard > of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look. > > Thanks > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403971#403971 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Spar From: "John Francis" As I am fitting my aileron spar, I'm wondering with such a tight fit how am I going to get glue in it. I then realize that this is a critical glue joint as it appears the piano hinge is bolted to it and at that point the glue on the spar is the only thing holding the aileron to the wing! To assure a good glue joint, I believe I will fit everything up properly, cut the aileron out, then pull the aileron spar straight out and apply glue well. Has anyone else done this? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403986#403986 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar1_936.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar2_175.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Spar From: Ken Bickers John, the final fit will be better if you glue the spars in before you cut out the aileron. What I did was to bevel ever so slightly the spars for a half inch just in board of each rib. Then when I was ready to glue in the spars, I offset them temporarily by one half inch. That give me enough clearance to put the glue on the rib surfaces. I also put glue on the spar face and spar top and bottom. Then a nice, gentle shift of the spars for the final half inch, and some clamps to hold things together. Worked easily and strong as can be. Cheers, Ken On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:42 AM, John Francis wrote: > > As I am fitting my aileron spar, I'm wondering with such a tight fit how > am I going to get glue in it. I then realize that this is a critical glue > joint as it appears the piano hinge is bolted to it and at that point the > glue on the spar is the only thing holding the aileron to the wing! > > To assure a good glue joint, I believe I will fit everything up properly, > cut the aileron out, then pull the aileron spar straight out and apply glue > well. Has anyone else done this? > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403986#403986 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar1_936.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar2_175.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:01 AM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber Go to youtube, there are lots of videos, its more than enough Mario Giacummo 2013/7/5 Marcus Zechini > I wanted the DVD but didnt wanna pay. I bought the book and a starter kit > from A/C Spruce. havent strecthed, yet. > On Jul 5, 2013 7:19 AM, "John Francis" wrote: > >> >> Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard >> of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look. >> >> Thanks >> John >> >> -------- >> John Francis >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403971#403971 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2013 From: "IT Girl" I just wanted to drop a note to let you all know that Kevin and I are going to miss you all this year at Brodhead. We both have work conflicts and simply cannot get away. I can't wait to see you all at Brodhead 2014. Watch for more details, Kevin and I are hosting Corvair College in San Marcos in March 2014. Like our Facebook page and get updates in an instant www.facebook.com/pages/Corvair-College-28/ -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404017#404017 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber From: "dgaldrich" Another vote for Stewarts. They gave me the complete set of DVDs when I bought some of their stuff. Just finished covering the tail feathers (wings after Brodhead) and the process is much less harmful to whatever brain cells I have left. A lifelong investment in the German and American brewing industry has left some still functioning and I need all I can get. My wife can do both the modified seine knot and the Staggerwing knot that Stewarts teaches and MUCH prefers the Staggerwing. Both are certified. As an aside, Stewart System relies on a fabric to fabric bond so I took a couple of pieces of 2 inch pinked fabricand glued them together with 1 inch overlap. 2 square inches total bond area. I can't pull them apart. Stewart says the fabric will fail before the glue and I believe them. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404018#404018 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2013 From: "Mark Roberts" Brodhead's loss was out gain this year at the West Coast Piet Gathering. It was a real surprise and pleasure to meet the both of you at the event this year... I hope to make Brodhead next year myself. Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404024#404024 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) From: "Mark Roberts" I think you need to make a beer drinking / building assistance trip to Fresno Gary! I'm enjoying a cool one tonight and thinking about heading out to the barn for some varnish fumes as well.... Doap! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404025#404025 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:06 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2013 Hi Kevin and Shelley, We had the pleasure of seeing you at Frazier Lake so will see you again at Brodhead 2014=C2-for sure. Cheers and it was nice seeing and visiting wit h you at Frazier Lake. 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