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1. 01:15 AM - Any Piet folk...? (TriScout)
2. 01:34 AM - Re: Re: Poly-Fiber (Peter W Johnson)
3. 04:11 AM - Re: Brodhead 2013 (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 04:13 AM - Re: Aileron Spar (C N Campbell)
5. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: Poly-Fiber (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Poly-Fiber (helspersew@aol.com)
7. 05:30 AM - Re: Brodhead 2013 (Jack)
8. 05:59 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber (tools)
9. 07:00 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber (taildrags)
10. 07:02 AM - Re: Any Piet folk...? (taildrags)
11. 07:34 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber (tools)
12. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: Poly-Fiber (C N Campbell)
13. 12:29 PM - 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 (Amsafetyc)
14. 12:45 PM - Re: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 (Gary Boothe)
15. 02:13 PM - Re: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 (John Francis)
16. 04:33 PM - Re: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 (helspersew@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Any Piet folk...? |
Any known Piet folk or projects in Abu Dhabi? ... Just wondering. Stuck on a layover.
How about Yemen? .. (be there tomorrow)..
Lar
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KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
AN Hardware
Airframe 712TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
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Hi Guys,
I did my first Piet in Poly-Fiber, looks like number 2 is going to be in the
Stewarts System.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dgaldrich
Sent: Saturday, 6 July 2013 11:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
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Another vote for Stewarts. They gave me the complete set of DVDs when I
bought some of their stuff. Just finished covering the tail feathers (wings
after Brodhead) and the process is much less harmful to whatever brain cells
I have left. A lifelong investment in the German and American brewing
industry has left some still functioning and I need all I can get. My wife
can do both the modified seine knot and the Staggerwing knot that Stewarts
teaches and MUCH prefers the Staggerwing. Both are certified.
As an aside, Stewart System relies on a fabric to fabric bond so I took a
couple of pieces of 2 inch pinked fabricand glued them together with 1 inch
overlap. 2 square inches total bond area. I can't pull them apart.
Stewart says the fabric will fail before the glue and I believe them.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2013 |
It won't be the same without you guys. Other key players will be missing al
so, and we that attend will look forward to seeing all of you next year. Bu
t all the new airplanes are going to be fabulous. Can't wait to see them.
I personally am really busy this year (arrg) and am rushing to get it all b
ehind me so that I can have a few days of relaxed respite at Brodhead '13.
The absolute best few days of the year for me. I look forward to it so.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: IT Girl <shlizbth@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:44 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2013
I just wanted to drop a note to let you all know that Kevin and I are going
to
miss you all this year at Brodhead. We both have work conflicts and simply
cannot get away. I can't wait to see you all at Brodhead 2014.
Watch for more details, Kevin and I are hosting Corvair College in San Marc
os in
March 2014.
Like our Facebook page and get updates in an instant www.facebook.com/page
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IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Spar |
Yeah, John. I did my aileron spars about the same as Ken did and the
procedure works fine. Chuck
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From: Ken Bickers
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Spar
John, the final fit will be better if you glue the spars in before you
cut out the aileron. What I did was to bevel ever so slightly the spars
for a half inch just in board of each rib. Then when I was ready to
glue in the spars, I offset them temporarily by one half inch. That
give me enough clearance to put the glue on the rib surfaces. I also
put glue on the spar face and spar top and bottom. Then a nice, gentle
shift of the spars for the final half inch, and some clamps to hold
things together. Worked easily and strong as can be. Cheers, Ken
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As I am fitting my aileron spar, I'm wondering with such a tight fit
how am I going to get glue in it. I then realize that this is a
critical glue joint as it appears the piano hinge is bolted to it and at
that point the glue on the spar is the only thing holding the aileron to
the wing!
To assure a good glue joint, I believe I will fit everything up
properly, cut the aileron out, then pull the aileron spar straight out
and apply glue well. Has anyone else done this?
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Hi John,
There are many reasons to use the Stewart system. But there is one overwhel
ming factor for me. Ask yourself: Realistically, how many times during the
whole process will you stop and have to clean up/out your spray gun or brus
hes/containers skin etc. with nasty solvents? If you are using the Stewart
system you simply walk over to the utility sink and turn on the unlimited s
upply of hot water. It seemed like countless times to me. No way I would EV
ER use Polyfiber again.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:23 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Thanks Chuck. You know I could be convinced to use the Stewart System. I
know
it is very popular here on the Piet forum. I have a friend who is somewhat
"old
school" and is trying to persuade me to go with the poly-fiber system becau
se it
is proven. I need to get off the fence and make my decision. I will look
into
it a bit further in the next few days. Thanks for offers for now.
John
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I put on a 3" tape, and after about a 1/2 hour's drying time was not satisf
ied with its placement. Wow, VERY difficult to remove. I was afraid I was g
oing
to damage the underlying fabric.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:31 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
>
Another vote for Stewarts. They gave me the complete set of DVDs when I bo
ught
some of their stuff. Just finished covering the tail feathers (wings after
Brodhead) and the process is much less harmful to whatever brain cells I ha
ve
left. A lifelong investment in the German and American brewing industry ha
s
left some still functioning and I need all I can get. My wife can do both
the
modified seine knot and the Staggerwing knot that Stewarts teaches and MUCH
prefers the Staggerwing. Both are certified.
As an aside, Stewart System relies on a fabric to fabric bond so I took a c
ouple
of pieces of 2 inch pinked fabricand glued them together with 1 inch overla
p. 2
square inches total bond area. I can't pull them apart. Stewart says the
fabric will fail before the glue and I believe them.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2013 |
Shelley that breaks my heart :(, will have a brat for you both! I assume Oshkosh
is out also?
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Jack Textor
On Jul 5, 2013, at 7:43 PM, "IT Girl" <shlizbth@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I just wanted to drop a note to let you all know that Kevin and I are going to
miss you all this year at Brodhead. We both have work conflicts and simply
cannot get away. I can't wait to see you all at Brodhead 2014.
>
> Watch for more details, Kevin and I are hosting Corvair College in San Marcos
in March 2014.
>
> Like our Facebook page and get updates in an instant www.facebook.com/pages/Corvair-College-28/
>
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> IT Girl
> wife of "Axel"
> NX899KP
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> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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I'm leaning towards Stewarts (and did use them for repairs) so that I don't have
to buy the super expensive epoxy varnish to seal my woodwork. As a woodworker,
I already have tons of perfectly suitable varnish, for anything but under
Polyfiber chemicals.
And, it's like Dan says, how many times do you start and stop? ANY ounce of epoxy
varnish you mix HAS to be used, or you're throwing it away. So not only expensive
(the varnish), but seems not very efficient.
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Chuck;
The Poly-Fiber manual explains that when you apply your tapes and go to the next
step after cementing the fabric to the frame with Poly-Tak, the succeeding "layers"
(Poly-Brush... the pink stuff) soak through and help re-soften the Poly-Tak
so that the cement gets a complete and even bond. Not to say that you shouldn't
work in short sections and adhere the fabric promptly like you said,
but just to reiterate the Poly-Fiber comment that the next layer will re-wet the
adhesive and help it get an even bond if it dried a little too quickly before
you got the fabric down, or if it didn't quite smooth out on the area to be
cemented.
Now for a politically incorrect opinion: I love the Poly-Fiber system. Every time
I open the bin that I use to keep all my fabric covering supplies together,
it takes me back to airplane building heaven (and I don't inhale that much!)...
I love the smell of Poly-Brush in the morning! And at noon, and in the evening,
too. It just smells like airplanes and reminds me of building them. At
my age, any brain cells that I still have left have followed the "survival of
the fittest" plan, and are well able to hold their own against chemical attack
;o) Just kidding; I don't intentionally work in a cloud of concentrated fumes.
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Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Any Piet folk...? |
Yemen... let's see: is that anywhere near Dubuque?
do not archive
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Oscar,
There IS that, and I agree! LOVE that smell...
Not often mentioned, but covering with dope is still an option. Lightweight, compared
to much of this, inexpensive. And smells JUST right!
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Oscar, it has been quite a while since I used the Poly- system -- something
like 25 years. But I do seem to remember that you had to work a lot faster
with the Poly-Tak glue and once you start there's no quitting until the
project is finished. I have never used the Stewart System -- yet -- but
from looking at the videos it seems so much easier. One mention was that it
was not a "proven" system. Well, you don't get an STC unless the Feds are
satisfied that the fabric won't come off and down comes a skeleton of an
airplane. I might change my mind after using the Stewart System but I don't
think so. Incidentally, I used to be pretty good friends with Doug and
Rava. My wife and I were on a trip around the country in an RV and we
stopped in Doug and Rava's home town in Washington and visited a couple of
days. Doug took us up in his PA22/20 that I copied a lot of when I did
mine. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 10:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
>
> Chuck;
>
> The Poly-Fiber manual explains that when you apply your tapes and go to
> the next step after cementing the fabric to the frame with Poly-Tak, the
> succeeding "layers" (Poly-Brush... the pink stuff) soak through and help
> re-soften the Poly-Tak so that the cement gets a complete and even bond.
> Not to say that you shouldn't work in short sections and adhere the fabric
> promptly like you said, but just to reiterate the Poly-Fiber comment that
> the next layer will re-wet the adhesive and help it get an even bond if it
> dried a little too quickly before you got the fabric down, or if it didn't
> quite smooth out on the area to be cemented.
>
> Now for a politically incorrect opinion: I love the Poly-Fiber system.
> Every time I open the bin that I use to keep all my fabric covering
> supplies together, it takes me back to airplane building heaven (and I
> don't inhale that much!)... I love the smell of Poly-Brush in the morning!
> And at noon, and in the evening, too. It just smells like airplanes and
> reminds me of building them. At my age, any brain cells that I still have
> left have followed the "survival of the fittest" plan, and are well able
> to hold their own against chemical attack ;o) Just kidding; I don't
> intentionally work in a cloud of concentrated fumes.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404053#404053
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| Subject: | 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 |
Friends as you know my Brodhead experience is one of my most cherished and anticipated
events of the year. Up until 5 weeks ago the Mayor and I were planning
and making ready to attend our friend meeting at Brodhead. Unfortunately life
had other plans for us as business interests took the place of meeting with
our friends, so regrettably the mayor and I will not be able to meet with you,
our friends. As soon as those interests have solidified into an operational
facility I will be sharing that with everyone which I thoroughly expect to be
the week before Brodhead.
I wish all my friends safe travels and flights to and from with expectations of
our attendance in 2014. Best of times to you all this 2013 pilgrimage to Pietenpol
aviator mecca.
Be well and fly safe
John and the Mayor
Safe in the morning and dangerous through out the day
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| Subject: | 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 |
John - This sounds like good news...I've heard good news before, and it
sounds a lot like this...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 12:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013
Friends as you know my Brodhead experience is one of my most cherished and
anticipated events of the year. Up until 5 weeks ago the Mayor and I were
planning and making ready to attend our friend meeting at Brodhead.
Unfortunately life had other plans for us as business interests took the
place of meeting with our friends, so regrettably the mayor and I will not
be able to meet with you, our friends. As soon as those interests have
solidified into an operational facility I will be sharing that with everyone
which I thoroughly expect to be the week before Brodhead.
I wish all my friends safe travels and flights to and from with expectations
of our attendance in 2014. Best of times to you all this 2013 pilgrimage to
Pietenpol aviator mecca.
Be well and fly safe
John and the Mayor
Safe in the morning and dangerous through out the day
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 |
Yes...what Gary said. I think.
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| Subject: | Re: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 |
John,
We will miss you, the gelato, and especially the mayor. Looking forward to
hearing the good news.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 2:29 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013
Friends as you know my Brodhead experience is one of my most cherished and
anticipated events of the year. Up until 5 weeks ago the Mayor and I were
planning and making ready to attend our friend meeting at Brodhead.
Unfortunately life had other plans for us as business interests took the pl
ace
of meeting with our friends, so regrettably the mayor and I will not be abl
e to
meet with you, our friends. As soon as those interests have solidified into
an
operational facility I will be sharing that with everyone which I thoroughl
y
expect to be the week before Brodhead.
I wish all my friends safe travels and flights to and from with expectation
s of
our attendance in 2014. Best of times to you all this 2013 pilgrimage to
Pietenpol aviator mecca.
Be well and fly safe
John and the Mayor
Safe in the morning and dangerous through out the day
Sent from my iPhone
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