---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/06/13: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:15 AM - Any Piet folk...? (TriScout) 2. 01:34 AM - Re: Re: Poly-Fiber (Peter W Johnson) 3. 04:11 AM - Re: Brodhead 2013 (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 04:13 AM - Re: Aileron Spar (C N Campbell) 5. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: Poly-Fiber (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Poly-Fiber (helspersew@aol.com) 7. 05:30 AM - Re: Brodhead 2013 (Jack) 8. 05:59 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber (tools) 9. 07:00 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber (taildrags) 10. 07:02 AM - Re: Any Piet folk...? (taildrags) 11. 07:34 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber (tools) 12. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: Poly-Fiber (C N Campbell) 13. 12:29 PM - 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 (Amsafetyc) 14. 12:45 PM - Re: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 (Gary Boothe) 15. 02:13 PM - Re: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 (John Francis) 16. 04:33 PM - Re: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 (helspersew@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Any Piet folk...? From: "TriScout" Any known Piet folk or projects in Abu Dhabi? ... Just wondering. Stuck on a layover. How about Yemen? .. (be there tomorrow).. Lar -------- L.Metzel KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 712TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404032#404032 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:16 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber Hi Guys, I did my first Piet in Poly-Fiber, looks like number 2 is going to be in the Stewarts System. Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://repiet.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dgaldrich Sent: Saturday, 6 July 2013 11:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber --> Another vote for Stewarts. They gave me the complete set of DVDs when I bought some of their stuff. Just finished covering the tail feathers (wings after Brodhead) and the process is much less harmful to whatever brain cells I have left. A lifelong investment in the German and American brewing industry has left some still functioning and I need all I can get. My wife can do both the modified seine knot and the Staggerwing knot that Stewarts teaches and MUCH prefers the Staggerwing. Both are certified. As an aside, Stewart System relies on a fabric to fabric bond so I took a couple of pieces of 2 inch pinked fabricand glued them together with 1 inch overlap. 2 square inches total bond area. I can't pull them apart. Stewart says the fabric will fail before the glue and I believe them. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404018#404018 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2013 From: helspersew@aol.com It won't be the same without you guys. Other key players will be missing al so, and we that attend will look forward to seeing all of you next year. Bu t all the new airplanes are going to be fabulous. Can't wait to see them. I personally am really busy this year (arrg) and am rushing to get it all b ehind me so that I can have a few days of relaxed respite at Brodhead '13. The absolute best few days of the year for me. I look forward to it so. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: IT Girl Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:44 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2013 I just wanted to drop a note to let you all know that Kevin and I are going to miss you all this year at Brodhead. We both have work conflicts and simply cannot get away. I can't wait to see you all at Brodhead 2014. Watch for more details, Kevin and I are hosting Corvair College in San Marc os in March 2014. Like our Facebook page and get updates in an instant www.facebook.com/page s/Corvair-College-28/ -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404017#404017 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:07 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Spar Yeah, John. I did my aileron spars about the same as Ken did and the procedure works fine. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Spar John, the final fit will be better if you glue the spars in before you cut out the aileron. What I did was to bevel ever so slightly the spars for a half inch just in board of each rib. Then when I was ready to glue in the spars, I offset them temporarily by one half inch. That give me enough clearance to put the glue on the rib surfaces. I also put glue on the spar face and spar top and bottom. Then a nice, gentle shift of the spars for the final half inch, and some clamps to hold things together. Worked easily and strong as can be. Cheers, Ken On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:42 AM, John Francis wrote: As I am fitting my aileron spar, I'm wondering with such a tight fit how am I going to get glue in it. I then realize that this is a critical glue joint as it appears the piano hinge is bolted to it and at that point the glue on the spar is the only thing holding the aileron to the wing! To assure a good glue joint, I believe I will fit everything up properly, cut the aileron out, then pull the aileron spar straight out and apply glue well. Has anyone else done this? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403986#403986 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar1_936.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar2_175.jpg ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber From: helspersew@aol.com Hi John, There are many reasons to use the Stewart system. But there is one overwhel ming factor for me. Ask yourself: Realistically, how many times during the whole process will you stop and have to clean up/out your spray gun or brus hes/containers skin etc. with nasty solvents? If you are using the Stewart system you simply walk over to the utility sink and turn on the unlimited s upply of hot water. It seemed like countless times to me. No way I would EV ER use Polyfiber again. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: John Francis Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:23 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber Thanks Chuck. You know I could be convinced to use the Stewart System. I know it is very popular here on the Piet forum. I have a friend who is somewhat "old school" and is trying to persuade me to go with the poly-fiber system becau se it is proven. I need to get off the fence and make my decision. I will look into it a bit further in the next few days. Thanks for offers for now. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403980#403980 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber From: helspersew@aol.com I put on a 3" tape, and after about a 1/2 hour's drying time was not satisf ied with its placement. Wow, VERY difficult to remove. I was afraid I was g oing to damage the underlying fabric. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: dgaldrich Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:31 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber > Another vote for Stewarts. They gave me the complete set of DVDs when I bo ught some of their stuff. Just finished covering the tail feathers (wings after Brodhead) and the process is much less harmful to whatever brain cells I ha ve left. A lifelong investment in the German and American brewing industry ha s left some still functioning and I need all I can get. My wife can do both the modified seine knot and the Staggerwing knot that Stewarts teaches and MUCH prefers the Staggerwing. Both are certified. As an aside, Stewart System relies on a fabric to fabric bond so I took a c ouple of pieces of 2 inch pinked fabricand glued them together with 1 inch overla p. 2 square inches total bond area. I can't pull them apart. Stewart says the fabric will fail before the glue and I believe them. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404018#404018 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2013 From: Jack Shelley that breaks my heart :(, will have a brat for you both! I assume Oshkosh is out also? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jul 5, 2013, at 7:43 PM, "IT Girl" wrote: > > I just wanted to drop a note to let you all know that Kevin and I are going to miss you all this year at Brodhead. We both have work conflicts and simply cannot get away. I can't wait to see you all at Brodhead 2014. > > Watch for more details, Kevin and I are hosting Corvair College in San Marcos in March 2014. > > Like our Facebook page and get updates in an instant www.facebook.com/pages/Corvair-College-28/ > > -------- > Shelley Tumino > IT Girl > wife of "Axel" > NX899KP > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404017#404017 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber From: "tools" I'm leaning towards Stewarts (and did use them for repairs) so that I don't have to buy the super expensive epoxy varnish to seal my woodwork. As a woodworker, I already have tons of perfectly suitable varnish, for anything but under Polyfiber chemicals. And, it's like Dan says, how many times do you start and stop? ANY ounce of epoxy varnish you mix HAS to be used, or you're throwing it away. So not only expensive (the varnish), but seems not very efficient. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404040#404040 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber From: "taildrags" Chuck; The Poly-Fiber manual explains that when you apply your tapes and go to the next step after cementing the fabric to the frame with Poly-Tak, the succeeding "layers" (Poly-Brush... the pink stuff) soak through and help re-soften the Poly-Tak so that the cement gets a complete and even bond. Not to say that you shouldn't work in short sections and adhere the fabric promptly like you said, but just to reiterate the Poly-Fiber comment that the next layer will re-wet the adhesive and help it get an even bond if it dried a little too quickly before you got the fabric down, or if it didn't quite smooth out on the area to be cemented. Now for a politically incorrect opinion: I love the Poly-Fiber system. Every time I open the bin that I use to keep all my fabric covering supplies together, it takes me back to airplane building heaven (and I don't inhale that much!)... I love the smell of Poly-Brush in the morning! And at noon, and in the evening, too. It just smells like airplanes and reminds me of building them. At my age, any brain cells that I still have left have followed the "survival of the fittest" plan, and are well able to hold their own against chemical attack ;o) Just kidding; I don't intentionally work in a cloud of concentrated fumes. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404053#404053 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Any Piet folk...? From: "taildrags" Yemen... let's see: is that anywhere near Dubuque? do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404054#404054 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber From: "tools" Oscar, There IS that, and I agree! LOVE that smell... Not often mentioned, but covering with dope is still an option. Lightweight, compared to much of this, inexpensive. And smells JUST right! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404056#404056 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:37 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber Oscar, it has been quite a while since I used the Poly- system -- something like 25 years. But I do seem to remember that you had to work a lot faster with the Poly-Tak glue and once you start there's no quitting until the project is finished. I have never used the Stewart System -- yet -- but from looking at the videos it seems so much easier. One mention was that it was not a "proven" system. Well, you don't get an STC unless the Feds are satisfied that the fabric won't come off and down comes a skeleton of an airplane. I might change my mind after using the Stewart System but I don't think so. Incidentally, I used to be pretty good friends with Doug and Rava. My wife and I were on a trip around the country in an RV and we stopped in Doug and Rava's home town in Washington and visited a couple of days. Doug took us up in his PA22/20 that I copied a lot of when I did mine. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber > > Chuck; > > The Poly-Fiber manual explains that when you apply your tapes and go to > the next step after cementing the fabric to the frame with Poly-Tak, the > succeeding "layers" (Poly-Brush... the pink stuff) soak through and help > re-soften the Poly-Tak so that the cement gets a complete and even bond. > Not to say that you shouldn't work in short sections and adhere the fabric > promptly like you said, but just to reiterate the Poly-Fiber comment that > the next layer will re-wet the adhesive and help it get an even bond if it > dried a little too quickly before you got the fabric down, or if it didn't > quite smooth out on the area to be cemented. > > Now for a politically incorrect opinion: I love the Poly-Fiber system. > Every time I open the bin that I use to keep all my fabric covering > supplies together, it takes me back to airplane building heaven (and I > don't inhale that much!)... I love the smell of Poly-Brush in the morning! > And at noon, and in the evening, too. It just smells like airplanes and > reminds me of building them. At my age, any brain cells that I still have > left have followed the "survival of the fittest" plan, and are well able > to hold their own against chemical attack ;o) Just kidding; I don't > intentionally work in a cloud of concentrated fumes. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404053#404053 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 From: Amsafetyc Friends as you know my Brodhead experience is one of my most cherished and anticipated events of the year. Up until 5 weeks ago the Mayor and I were planning and making ready to attend our friend meeting at Brodhead. Unfortunately life had other plans for us as business interests took the place of meeting with our friends, so regrettably the mayor and I will not be able to meet with you, our friends. As soon as those interests have solidified into an operational facility I will be sharing that with everyone which I thoroughly expect to be the week before Brodhead. I wish all my friends safe travels and flights to and from with expectations of our attendance in 2014. Best of times to you all this 2013 pilgrimage to Pietenpol aviator mecca. Be well and fly safe John and the Mayor Safe in the morning and dangerous through out the day Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:25 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 John - This sounds like good news...I've heard good news before, and it sounds a lot like this... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 12:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 Friends as you know my Brodhead experience is one of my most cherished and anticipated events of the year. Up until 5 weeks ago the Mayor and I were planning and making ready to attend our friend meeting at Brodhead. Unfortunately life had other plans for us as business interests took the place of meeting with our friends, so regrettably the mayor and I will not be able to meet with you, our friends. As soon as those interests have solidified into an operational facility I will be sharing that with everyone which I thoroughly expect to be the week before Brodhead. I wish all my friends safe travels and flights to and from with expectations of our attendance in 2014. Best of times to you all this 2013 pilgrimage to Pietenpol aviator mecca. Be well and fly safe John and the Mayor Safe in the morning and dangerous through out the day Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 From: "John Francis" Yes...what Gary said. I think. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404083#404083 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 From: helspersew@aol.com John, We will miss you, the gelato, and especially the mayor. Looking forward to hearing the good news. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Amsafetyc Sent: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 2:29 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 Friends as you know my Brodhead experience is one of my most cherished and anticipated events of the year. Up until 5 weeks ago the Mayor and I were planning and making ready to attend our friend meeting at Brodhead. Unfortunately life had other plans for us as business interests took the pl ace of meeting with our friends, so regrettably the mayor and I will not be abl e to meet with you, our friends. As soon as those interests have solidified into an operational facility I will be sharing that with everyone which I thoroughl y expect to be the week before Brodhead. I wish all my friends safe travels and flights to and from with expectation s of our attendance in 2014. Best of times to you all this 2013 pilgrimage to Pietenpol aviator mecca. Be well and fly safe John and the Mayor Safe in the morning and dangerous through out the day Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.