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1. 02:04 AM - Re: Aileron shape (John Francis)
2. 04:15 AM - Re: Corvair Engines (C N Campbell)
3. 04:58 AM - Re: covering systems (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
4. 05:55 AM - Re: Corvair Engines (Barry Davis)
5. 06:31 AM - Re: Corvair Engines (TOM STINEMETZE)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: Aileron shape (Dan Yocum)
7. 11:24 AM - Re: Tail Hinges (Ohbejoyful)
8. 11:32 AM - Re: Tail Hinges (Gary Boothe)
9. 12:59 PM - Re: Tail Hinges (tools)
10. 01:40 PM - Speaking of TGWP.... (tools)
11. 02:47 PM - Re: covering systems (dgaldrich)
12. 02:59 PM - Re: Aileron shape (K5YAC)
13. 07:58 PM - Re: Corvair Engines (ribill7)
14. 10:08 PM - Wings ready for primer and paint (Ken Bickers)
15. 10:10 PM - Wings ready for primer and paint (Ken Bickers)
16. 11:43 PM - Re: Re: covering systems (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron shape |
Thanks guys....it is done.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engines |
Have you checked your local Corsa organization? There are bunches of
Corvair cores out there. Chuck
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From: "ribill7" <wemidy@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 6:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engines
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> I am looking for a corvair core engine. I have advertised on craigslist
> for one and have got a couple of calls....but when it came time to pick up
> the motor....all of a sudden no answer. I live in RI and will travel a
> reasonable distance for a core. If anybody has a lead please let me know.
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> Thanks,
> RIBill7
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| Subject: | Re: covering systems |
UNCLASSIFIED
OK I will bite. Douwe, What are the advantages/challenges of using old fashoned
DOPE Vs the new systems?
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On 07/07/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
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> I know there are a few of us still in the closet who….. ACTUALLY USE DOPE!!!!!!!!
(SHOCKED SILENCE AND AWKWARD GLANCES…)
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UNCLASSIFIED
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Try checking with the old junk yards and anyone that has some old cars
around their house. There is always some old kook that collected Corvairs
and all these guys know who he is. This is the way we found 18. Some were
out in the woods with trees grown thru the bumpers, but we only paid for 2
in the whole bunch. They are out there.
One guy asked what in the world we wanted these old engines for and we told
him they were for an airplane. He quickly spit out his tobacco and with both
thumbs tugging on his coverall straps, stated that he wouldn't trust one to
go to the store down the road, much less in an airplane. LOL
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ribill7
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engines
I am looking for a corvair core engine. I have advertised on craigslist for
one and have got a couple of calls....but when it came time to pick up the
motor....all of a sudden no answer. I live in RI and will travel a
reasonable distance for a core. If anybody has a lead please let me know.
Thanks,
RIBill7
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engines |
I have a Corvair core engine in McPherson, KS that I will let someone have for
$200. All the numbers are correct according to WW's book and much of the clean
and prep work has been done already. Includes a rebuilt vibration damper (
I forget what they are really called) and a set of original exhaust logs. Contact
me off list if you are interested and I will put together a list of the particulars.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "ribill7" <wemidy@cox.net> 7/7/2013 5:44 PM >>>
I am looking for a corvair core engine. I have advertised on craigslist for one
and have got a couple of calls....but when it came time to pick up the motor....all
of a sudden no answer. I live in RI and will travel a reasonable distance
for a core. If anybody has a lead please let me know.
Thanks,
RIBill7
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron shape |
On 07/07/2013 11:03 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> I flushed it and slightly rounded the edge.
"He's a four-flusher, Mary-Beth..."
(all together not enough TGWP references, this year...)
do not archive
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Thanks for the information. I have about 3/8" of space for the nut and washer.
Is that enough space?
On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Joseph,
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> Yes, they can be in the way if you are using bolts and nuts. I opened up a
> 1" access hole in the bottom of those gussets; just enough to get a wrench
> on the nuts. I used #4 countersunk, stainless bolts, stainless washers and
> stainless, fibered nuts.
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ohbejoyful
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 7:49 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Hinges
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> --> <ohbejoyful10@gmail.com>
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> I am working on the tail for my Pietenpol. I have the horizontal stabilizer
> jigged up and am ready to cut the diagonals between the rear "main beam" and
> the center beam. Do these diagonals--if built per plans--interfere with the
> hardware used to mount the outermost hinges?
> Does the hinge need to be moved in toward the center? I plan to recess the
> hinges. What kind of hardware is used to mount the hinges?
>
> Thanks,
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> Joseph Jameson
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That's about what I had.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Ohbejoyful <ohbejoyful10@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks for the information. I have about 3/8" of space for the nut and washer.
Is that enough space?
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> On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> Joseph,
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>> Yes, they can be in the way if you are using bolts and nuts. I opened up a
>> 1" access hole in the bottom of those gussets; just enough to get a wrench
>> on the nuts. I used #4 countersunk, stainless bolts, stainless washers and
>> stainless, fibered nuts.
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>> NX308MB
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ohbejoyful
>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 7:49 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Hinges
>>
>> --> <ohbejoyful10@gmail.com>
>>
>> I am working on the tail for my Pietenpol. I have the horizontal stabilizer
>> jigged up and am ready to cut the diagonals between the rear "main beam" and
>> the center beam. Do these diagonals--if built per plans--interfere with the
>> hardware used to mount the outermost hinges?
>> Does the hinge need to be moved in toward the center? I plan to recess the
>> hinges. What kind of hardware is used to mount the hinges?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joseph Jameson
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N2RN simply has the nuts squeezed in there, so there's enough room, just barely.
I've been referencing the display bare bones Piet in the Piet hangar as OSH
while building my tail feathers at Pioneer, it's got access holes cut in the
gusset plates.
Third idea is what I saw on the hinges of the J1 Standard wing I worked on, it
had the nuts brazed to a plate, which made the whole mess a lot easier to work
on. Also, the hinges could be removed for covering. It would prevent you from
having to get a wrench in the tight spot on the very outboard hinge bolts.
The plate was held in place with brads like those used on the gusset plates. Worked
really well.
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| Subject: | Speaking of TGWP.... |
Sorry, a bit anticlimatic, but here's the J1 (the only shot I have) I've been helping
with at OSH. I thought this picture was newer than it is. We fussed and
fussed over how to paint it...
Like the guy who flew this bird and donated it to us
Like the military trainer it was
Like an airmail variant
Like a period authentic barnstormer
OR, you guessed it!
It now sports "THE GREAT WALDO PEPPER" down the side of it. I always thought those
were Jenny's, but apparently they were Standards, so that's the way we went.
The top wings got painted just a few days ago, so it's going pretty fast now.
I'm hoping I can talk them into bringing it down to Brodhead some year.
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| Subject: | Re: covering systems |
If you want to get really authentic and use grade A cotton (the ONLY way to NOT
use an STCed product), you have to use the self-tautening dope sold by Randolph.
Nitrate/butyrate dope has been used for years as part of the original Ceconite
STC.
Not sure if there's any real advantage in it vice the Polyfiber process. It's
a little more complex in that you have to use two different kinds of dope and
thinners (I think) but may be cheaper???
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron shape |
I'm also a four-flusher.. used the hand plane and rounded.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engines |
I will give Corsa a try. Maybe something will work out.
Thanks,
Bill Emidy
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| Subject: | Wings ready for primer and paint |
Slowly but surely, step by step, inch by inch -- progress.
Cheers, Ken
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| Subject: | Wings ready for primer and paint |
Slowly but surely, step by step, inch by inch -- progress.
Cheers, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: covering systems |
My understanding from many years ago is that a
dope finish never stops shrinking. There have been
horror stories,one involving a Piet, of twisted and
bent structures.
Homebuilt Aircraft, Sept 1981.
" The Incredible Shrinking Aircraft, Part 4."
Of course one could go the original, VERY original
route of paintingit with egg whites.
Clif
God must love primitive life forms.
He made so many of us.
Er, them.
> If you want to get really authentic and use grade A cotton (the ONLY way
> to NOT use an STCed product), you have to use the self-tautening dope sold
> by Randolph. >
> Not sure if there's any real advantage in it vice the Polyfiber process.
> >
> Dave
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