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1. 05:00 AM - Re: Wings ready for primer and paint (Rick)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: Wings ready for primer and paint (Avill)
3. 05:55 AM - Re: Wings ready for primer and paint (C N Campbell)
4. 06:45 AM - dope (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: dope (Don Emch)
6. 08:03 AM - dope (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
7. 08:27 AM - off subject--- 1/3scale B-17 Project to fly soon (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
8. 10:16 AM - A engine out (bender)
9. 02:34 PM - Re: A engine out (bubbleboy)
10. 02:59 PM - Re: A engine out ()
11. 05:53 PM - Re: Wings ready for primer and paint (John Francis)
12. 07:17 PM - Re: A engine out (tools)
13. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: Tail Hinges (Ohbejoyful)
14. 08:17 PM - Re: A engine out (shad bell)
15. 08:18 PM - Re: A engine out (bender)
16. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: dope (shad bell)
17. 09:44 PM - Re: A engine out (biplan53)
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| Subject: | Re: Wings ready for primer and paint |
Lookin' good Ken!
Rick Schreiber
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 9, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
> Slowly but surely, step by step, inch by inch -- progress.
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> Cheers, Ken
> <Wings ready for primer and paint.JPG>
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| Subject: | Re: Wings ready for primer and paint |
Looking good Ken!
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| Subject: | Re: Wings ready for primer and paint |
Yeah. They do look good. They look awfully thin to me. Maybe it's
just the angle the picture was made or the camera or maybe the fact that
I built my ribs from the GN-1 rib profile. I think It's a bit thicker
than the Pietenpol rib -- but not that much. The main difference is in
the nose shape. I read somewhere that the thicker nose would give a
little better climb. Don't know that to be true -- I haven't gotten to
that stage yet. That Stewart System looks great. My only experience is
with Ceconite and the Randolph dope process -- I will go with Stewart's
glue and house paint -- if I ever get that far. Chuck
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From: Rick
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wings ready for primer and paint
Lookin' good Ken!
Rick Schreiber
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 9, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
wrote:
Slowly but surely, step by step, inch by inch -- progress.
Cheers, Ken
<Wings ready for primer and paint.JPG>
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Well, I'm not sure I can think of many advantages of dope. I just used it
mainly because I wanted to. and I like how crazy simple it is to repair.
It's toxic, it stinks, it burns, it ain't that cheap, but other than that;
it's great!
In all seriousness though, I liked the nostalgia and that it was easy to
repair and it is proven to last a LONG time.
I'd probably use Stewarts if I was to do it again.
Douwe
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I'm a dope man. I just really like to work with it. Very easy to repair. Fun
to spray. I tried Poly Fiber a while back but everything since then has been
dope. Just used to it I guess.
Probably the best reason for using dope though, was when my son, in second grade,
went to school and told his teacher that he and his Dad were "doing dope in
the garage last night..." The phone call was priceless.
Also, there is something about the look of hand rubbed dope that is very difficult
to replace with any other system.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Great story Don!
I too used Randolph dope on my Pietenpol for several reasons over polyurethane
based systems, two being that it is lighter
and also it is much easier to repair and blend in if damaged.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | off subject--- 1/3scale B-17 Project to fly soon |
This is way cool. Jack Bally of Dixon, Illinois. Jack is a big Pietenpol
supporter. I had the pleasure of
meeting him and his wife about 15 years ago at Brodhead. This project is
amazing! I hope he gets to fly
it to Oshkosh.
Mike C.
https://www.facebook.com/BallyBomber
Or Google Bally's Bomber
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I found the reason that my engine quit..
rear #4 piston melted a bit..
Not sure Why.. everything else looks OK
Now to fix it..
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: A engine out |
Thanks for sharing Jeff. What would cause that? Too lean or something else?
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Re: A engine out |
Typically that sort of damage is caused by preignition. You should find the cause.
Is there a helicoil tab or cracked plug insulator? It can be caused by improper
leaning where you stay at the peak or slightly rich of peak for too long.
Do you have a CHT and/or EGT gauge?
Rodney
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| Subject: | Re: Wings ready for primer and paint |
They look great Ken! I can't wait to get to that stage.
I spoke with Stewart Systems today and ordered the 20 dollar DVD set.
John
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: A engine out |
Exhaust leak?
Did you verify each cylinder for proper size before assembly? I wouldn't guess
it, but machine shops regularly get that sort of thing wrong. A good friend
of mine was the editor of Hot Rod magazine at the time he rebuilt a Camaro engine
for me. He sent the block off for machining and when it came back, he checked
the crank bearings and found some off tolerance. Had to send it back a couple
times before he was happy.
He was the editor of a national car magazine, if there's ANY customer you'd want
to do a good job for (and it was a well known performance shop in LA), you'd
think it would be him. I just assumed when you send something like that out,
it would be right. He said that was pretty normal... For a really good engine
build, you have to verify all that stuff yourself he always told me.
Doesn't usually result in catastrophic failure, but will easily affect how long
the rebuild is good for.
Wouldn't have to be too much too small to cause that... Perhaps something as simple
as that cylinder wasn't honed as much as the others. Maybe ring gap too
small? Would heat that cylinder up a lot more, with corresponding piston swell.
Nice to know what happened in any event.
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Thanks. This is helpful information.
On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:59 PM, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> N2RN simply has the nuts squeezed in there, so there's enough room, just barely.
I've been referencing the display bare bones Piet in the Piet hangar as OSH
while building my tail feathers at Pioneer, it's got access holes cut in the
gusset plates.
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> Third idea is what I saw on the hinges of the J1 Standard wing I worked on, it
had the nuts brazed to a plate, which made the whole mess a lot easier to work
on. Also, the hinges could be removed for covering. It would prevent you
from having to get a wrench in the tight spot on the very outboard hinge bolts.
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> The plate was held in place with brads like those used on the gusset plates.
Worked really well.
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| Subject: | Re: A engine out |
Jeff I don't claim to be any kind of expert, having burned up a piston on a corvair
myself I don't think that is Detonation, or pre -ignition. I know mine was
burned by detonation, and looked nothing like that. It looks like friction
heat due to ??? wrong bore for that size piston, rings??. Did it lock up on
you and quit, or did it start running rough then quit? I will look again and
see if anything comes to mind. See the attached pictures of the piston I blew
up during ou growing pains. Eventually found that a helicoiled spark plug hole
caused ours, it was very intermitent, and would run fine and out of nowhere
start loosing power (detionation). Send me a picture of the cylinder wall and
head if you can.
Shad Bell
Nx92GB
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| Subject: | Re: A engine out |
Doesn't seem to be a lean problem. . . The guy that built the short block looked
at the photos and said heat or lack of oil. .. or both. . Ring gap was fine.
It kinda looks like the shooting started on the lower part of the skirt.
My oil pressure was down to 2-3 lbs when this happened. .
Modding an oil pump for flow and pressure now. . According to a service bulletin
from November of 1932
Jeff
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I like the look I got at work one day when I called Dondie miller and said " I
need to order a bunch of dope." My boss didn't know what to think, nor did the
pilots who were getting ready to leave on a trip in the airplane I just got
done working on. I had to explain it to them to calm them down a bit, and I still
have a job. Classic aviation phrases are lost in today's point and click
society.
Shad
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On Tue, 7/9/13, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dope
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 10:43 AM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted
by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
I'm a dope man. I just really like to work with
it. Very easy to repair. Fun to spray. I
tried Poly Fiber a while back but everything since then has
been dope. Just used to it I guess.
Probably the best reason for using dope though, was when my
son, in second grade, went to school and told his teacher
that he and his Dad were "doing dope in the garage last
night..." The phone call was priceless.
Also, there is something about the look of hand rubbed dope
that is very difficult to replace with any other system.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: A engine out |
Looking at the second ring, above the melted place, there is a lot of metal built
up below the ring. Looks like there was more damage than just at the melted
place.
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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