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1. 04:06 AM - Re: New Spar In Place (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: New Spar In Place (Gary Boothe)
3. 07:13 AM - Re: New Spar In Place (l.morlock)
4. 07:22 AM - Re: New Spar In Place (Jack Phillips)
5. 07:59 AM - Re: New Spar In Place (Gary Boothe)
6. 03:17 PM - Wing Struts (TriScout)
7. 07:50 PM - Re: Wing Struts (TriScout)
8. 08:39 PM - all-Piet issue of Contact! (taildrags)
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| Subject: | Re: New Spar In Place |
Looks good Gary. Brodhead '14?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
Non-bona-fide tailwheel
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:11 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place
My wing rebuild is progressing slowly, taking back seat to moving OUT and m
oving INbut there is some progress. New spar is in place! I am als
o removing the BHP A-frame tailwheel and replacing with a spring and bona-f
ide tailwheel. Today, generous locals brought me a used Scott, full-swivel
tailwheel and a brand new set of springs!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | New Spar In Place |
I plan on goingbut not in my Piet.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place
Looks good Gary. Brodhead '14?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
Non-bona-fide tailwheel
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:11 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place
My wing rebuild is progressing slowly, taking back seat to moving OUT
and moving INbut there is some progress. New spar is in place!
I am also removing the BHP A-frame tailwheel and replacing with a spring
and bona-fide tailwheel. Today, generous locals brought me a used Scott,
full-swivel tailwheel and a brand new set of springs!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: New Spar In Place |
Gary, I'm interested to know why you are abandoning the A-frame tail
wheel and going to a "bonafide tailwheel," which I presume would extend
beyond the end of the fuselage.
I was thinking of doing just the opposite. Last Thursday, I managed to
do a groundloop while doing a high speed taxi on a hard surface taxiway.
My "bonafide tailwheel," turned out to be a 14 inch lever that broke
the tailpost when it went off the taxiway. My first thought was to
replace it with an A-frame, then I saw your posting????
Other thoughts on my groundloop:
1. The rudder is less effective than I would have thought at low speeds.
2. A Pietenpol really likes grass.
Do you want to sell your A-frame?
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place
My wing rebuild is progressing slowly, taking back seat to moving OUT
and moving IN.but there is some progress. New spar is in place! I am
also removing the BHP A-frame tailwheel and replacing with a spring and
bona-fide tailwheel. Today, generous locals brought me a used Scott,
full-swivel tailwheel and a brand new set of springs!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | New Spar In Place |
Larry, I agree with you. I had a "Bonafide" tailwheel on a leaf spring.
When I had my forced landing which culminated in a broken axle and
groundloop, the tailwheel acted as a 14" lever and cracked my lower right
longeron. I went to the A-Frame design after that. I first made it to the
Pietenpol plans for the tailskid and just added the mount for a tailwheel.
I found that the A-Frame with no reinforcing was too flexible and the
tailwheel could twist the frame, rather than turn the airplane. I modified
it by going to thicker walled tubing and adding a cross piece between the
two arms, and it has been fine for the last 8 years.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morlock
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place
Gary, I'm interested to know why you are abandoning the A-frame tail wheel
and going to a "bonafide tailwheel," which I presume would extend beyond the
end of the fuselage.
I was thinking of doing just the opposite. Last Thursday, I managed to do a
groundloop while doing a high speed taxi on a hard surface taxiway. My
"bonafide tailwheel," turned out to be a 14 inch lever that broke the
tailpost when it went off the taxiway. My first thought was to replace it
with an A-frame, then I saw your posting????
Other thoughts on my groundloop:
1. The rudder is less effective than I would have thought at low speeds.
2. A Pietenpol really likes grass.
Do you want to sell your A-frame?
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place
My wing rebuild is progressing slowly, taking back seat to moving OUT and
moving IN.but there is some progress. New spar is in place! I am also
removing the BHP A-frame tailwheel and replacing with a spring and bona-fide
tailwheel. Today, generous locals brought me a used Scott, full-swivel
tailwheel and a brand new set of springs!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | New Spar In Place |
Ha! The Quest for the Perfect Tailwheel! You may as well ask what's better?
Republican or Democrat? Catholic or Protestant? Cake or pie?
It's Bernouli's Principle of Tailwheels: "The number of opinions you get
varies directly with the number of people you talk to."
I would let Kevin chime in for himself, but he replaced his A-frame with a
spring after about 25 hrs. Looking thru www.Westcoastpiet.com, you will also
see a wide variation. In my case, part of the problem is how I designed my
whole rudder pedal set up and linkage to the rudder and tailwheel. Moving
the tailwheel back will allow me to connect to the rudder with a rudder
horn, eliminating one problem. My only concern is the added stress to the
rudder hinges. Obviously, careful thought needs to go into attaching the
springs without adding too much weight.
I'm very sorry to hear of your misfortune, Larry, and hope the repair goes
smoothly. My A-frame is certainly NOT for sale, but, if you send me a
shipping address, you find it on your doorstep one day soon!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 7:23 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place
Larry, I agree with you. I had a "Bonafide" tailwheel on a leaf spring.
When I had my forced landing which culminated in a broken axle and
groundloop, the tailwheel acted as a 14" lever and cracked my lower right
longeron. I went to the A-Frame design after that. I first made it to the
Pietenpol plans for the tailskid and just added the mount for a tailwheel.
I found that the A-Frame with no reinforcing was too flexible and the
tailwheel could twist the frame, rather than turn the airplane. I modified
it by going to thicker walled tubing and adding a cross piece between the
two arms, and it has been fine for the last 8 years.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morlock
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place
Gary, I'm interested to know why you are abandoning the A-frame tail wheel
and going to a "bonafide tailwheel," which I presume would extend beyond the
end of the fuselage.
I was thinking of doing just the opposite. Last Thursday, I managed to do a
groundloop while doing a high speed taxi on a hard surface taxiway. My
"bonafide tailwheel," turned out to be a 14 inch lever that broke the
tailpost when it went off the taxiway. My first thought was to replace it
with an A-frame, then I saw your posting????
Other thoughts on my groundloop:
1. The rudder is less effective than I would have thought at low speeds.
2. A Pietenpol really likes grass.
Do you want to sell your A-frame?
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place
My wing rebuild is progressing slowly, taking back seat to moving OUT and
moving IN.but there is some progress. New spar is in place! I am also
removing the BHP A-frame tailwheel and replacing with a spring and bona-fide
tailwheel. Today, generous locals brought me a used Scott, full-swivel
tailwheel and a brand new set of springs!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Just a quick fyi..
One of my colleagues has a spare set of wing struts for a Piper J-5. Don't know
if these would be modifiable for a builder on this forum, or if someone is interested.
He lives out on long island, ny. I'd leave his cell phone here, but
not sure if its proper to do that on a forum though..
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L.Metzel
KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
AN Hardware
Airframe 712TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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.....if interested in talking to him, pm me for his info..
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L.Metzel
KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
AN Hardware
Airframe 712TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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| Subject: | all-Piet issue of Contact! |
Hello, low 'n' slow fliers;
Pat Panzera, editor of Contact! magazine, is considering an all-Piet issue of the
magazine if we can assemble enough articles to fill an issue. I'm sure we
can. Contact! is somewhat engine-oriented and 100% technical content, and my
thought is that the Air Camper has been powered by so many different engines that
it shouldn't be any problem at all getting some articles together for the
magazine. I think the most exciting new Air Camper just about to hatch is Chris
Rusch's Mitsubishi-powered airplane, and I'd like to feature that one in the
magazine but there are numerous other innovative ones out there. Of course
Dick Navratil's Rotec radial powered airplane is unique and would have plenty
of technical details of interest in how he adapted the engine to the airframe.
There are some recently-completed and completely authentic Ford-powered Piets
that would be of interest to others as far as the details of the conversion
and build nowadays vs. what the original Pietenpol conversion drawings suggested.
We might even go back to some of the other one-off Piets such as the Ford
Fiesta powered one that appeared back in the November 1980 issue of Sport Aviation.
Which, by the way, does anybody have any information on? Is it still
around?
Put on your thinking caps and email me off-line if you think you can put together
a technical article related to Piets (and in particular, powerplants for them).
The design will be 85 years old in 2014, so maybe we can get the issue together
to celebrate that milestone early next year.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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