---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/16/13: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:39 AM - Re: Brodhead This Year (woodflier@aol.com) 2. 06:07 AM - CONTACT (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 09:30 AM - Re: wood vs steel struts (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 4. 09:30 AM - Who's flying from TX, OK to Brodhead (John Greenlee) 5. 10:02 AM - Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges (Rick Holland) 6. 10:07 AM - Re: wood vs steel struts (tools) 7. 10:14 AM - test message (John Greenlee) 8. 10:29 AM - Re: Who's flying from TX, OK to Brodhead (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 9. 11:28 AM - Re: Tail Hinges (jarheadpilot82) 10. 11:31 AM - Re: test message (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 11. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: wood vs steel struts (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 12. 01:13 PM - Re: Tail Hinges (tools) 13. 03:04 PM - Re: Painting, step 1 (Rick) 14. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Tail Hinges (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 15. 06:04 PM - Re: Who's flying to Brodhead and who's not? (DandD Boyd) 16. 06:43 PM - Re: Painting, step 1 (Ken Bickers) 17. 07:42 PM - Re: Who's flying to Brodhead and who's not? (Greg Cardinal) 18. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: Continental Conn Rod Bolts (Ray Krause) 19. 09:24 PM - Re: Who's flying to Brodhead and who's not? (Baldeagle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:54 AM PST US From: woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead This Year I'm leaving for Brodhead a week from today. Taking bets on whether it'll be two days or three but it'll be all fun. Douwe, I' d sure like a ride in RE-PEIT. Matt Paxton Sent from my android device. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:10 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: CONTACT Oscar, I talked with the guy in Australia who has flown a Piet behind a Buick 218 for years. I could try to find or remember the specifics. Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:08 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood vs steel struts UNCLASSIFIED Way late into this discussion. Think about using aluminium but painting it to look like wood. A buddy building a Spencer AirCar (Huge amphibian) has developed the ability to modify a paint job so that it looks like wood. you can't tell where the real wood and the plastic or aluminium start. On 06/16/13, Michael Perez wrote: > > > > Hi Paul. I can't answer your question directly, only to say that the aluminum struts will be lighter than any similar sized steel struts. If you are thinking of using steel tubes to wrap with wood, than those steel tubes alone will probably weigh more than the aluminum struts. Aluminum tubes wrapped with wood, T-88, varnish/paint may still weigh more than the plain aluminum struts. > > You may want to buy streamline aluminum struts and then wrap them with a thin wood veneer. (Of course, the added veneer, adhesive, varnish/paint, etc. add weight...) However, gluing down a thin veneer over the streamline tube would be easy and the shape is already perfect...no wood fabrication required. The veneer can be purchased just about any place you can buy wood. > > FWIW, my aluminum struts, complete with machined aluminum inserts, SS forks and the nuts/bolts to assemble them, weigh just under 4 lbs. each. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > http://www.karetakeraero.com/(blockedhttp://www.karetakeraero.com/) > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:38 AM PST US From: "John Greenlee" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying from TX, OK to Brodhead Hello, I'm trying to decide whether to fly the Chief up from N Central Texas to Brodhead. Anybody else have plans to fly from this area? Thx! JMG ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Upcoming Corvair Colleges From: Rick Holland Alright we will hold you to that. And if you do not have your seaplane rating yet you can drop by Dave Browns seaplane base next year (just down the road from Sun-n-Fun) and pick that up. I did that back in the 70s, it was the most fun I ever had in an any airplane. rick On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Dick N wrote: > ** > Classified > > Hi Rick > I actually have #3, a Sky Scout in my barn out in the back yard. It was > going to get a Harley Davidson engine but that plan isnt working out .So > here is the announcement, I am going to build a set of floats at Sun n Fun > next year and Dave Aldrich is going to build the same thing. I am going to > put the floats on my Sky Scout and on the plane during the winter months I > will put skiis on. > Thats my story and I;m sticking to it. > Dick N > > Classified > > ----- Original Message ---- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To:* pietenpol-list > *Sent:* Monday, July 15, 2013 11:40 AM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Upcoming Corvair Colleges > > Dick > > You are not thinking about building a third Piet, this time with a Corvair > are you? > > rick h > > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Dick N wrote: > >> >> Kevin >> I also heard there is another onr coming to Oshkosh in October. I am >> planning on going to that one it it happens. >> Dick N. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinpurtee" < >> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 9:43 AM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Upcoming Corvair Colleges >> >> >>> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> >>> >>> If you're thinking about using a Corvair then you should strongly >>> consider attending a college. >>> >>> CC26 will be in Mexico, MO 18-20 Sep 13. >>> CC27 will be in Barnwell, SC 8-10 Nov 13. >>> CC28 will be in San Marcos, TX 28 Feb-2 Mar 14. >>> >>> Shelley has made Facebook pages for each event. We're hosting the TX >>> event so CC28's page will be updated frequently. She'll update the other >>> two events as she gets information. You can also contact Zenith Aircraft >>> for information on CC26 & PF Beck for CC27. >>> >>> -------- >>> Kevin "Axel" Purtee >>> Rebuilding NX899KP >>> Austin/San Marcos, TX >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=404535#404535 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ====**==============================**= >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/**Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ====**==============================**= >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ====**==============================**= >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/**contribution >> ====**==============================**= >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts From: "tools" The technique is referred to as "faux wood finishing" and has been around a LONG time. VERY common in the colonial days to paint nasty ordinary common hard woods like cherry and walnut, to look like mahogany. Seriously, they'd paint it brown and fake the entire job! Point being, it really can be convincing, it's well documented and there's quite a number of tools out there that can help. Just start researching faux wood finishing techniques. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404762#404762 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:16 AM PST US From: "John Greenlee" Subject: Pietenpol-List: test message It looks like my last message did not post. I am just testing. Do not archive. JMG ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Who's flying from TX, OK to Brodhead From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" I've already got my ticket to MKE from DAL. I guess we'll see you there. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404764#404764 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Hinges From: "jarheadpilot82" Tools, Take a picture of the brazed nut plate the next time you are working on the J-1. My simple brain works better with a picture. BTW, missed you in AMS. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404769#404769 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:12 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: test message UNCLASSIFIED You passed the test. Or failed the test. I grade on the curve. Steve "Half of my friends are below average." D On 07/16/13, John Greenlee wrote: > > > > > It looks like my last message did not post. I am just testing. > > > > Do not archive. > > > > JMG > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:37 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts UNCLASSIFIED Remember tools, If you can fake sincerity the rest is easy! Steve D On 07/16/13, tools wrote: > > The technique is referred to as "faux wood finishing" and has been around a LONG time. VERY common in the colonial days to paint nasty ordinary common hard woods like cherry and walnut, to look like mahogany. Seriously, they'd paint it brown and fake the entire job! > > Point being, it really can be convincing, it's well documented and there's quite a number of tools out there that can help. Just start researching faux wood finishing techniques. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404762#404762 > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Hinges From: "tools" Was on short call that whole time, but no trips assigned... several days back to back, would rather have been in AMS! It's all covered now, but will try to put together a pic in the next day or two as I retrofit the hinges on 2RN. When you coming to OSH again? Should have the motorhome there by Fri night (26th), a classic wood boat show on Sat in Neenah, then ferrying it down to OSH on Sun to avail for the week (a 30' '64 CC Conny) if I can find a slip or dock space. Wood boat, wood plane, guess I need a Morgan now! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404773#404773 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Painting, step 1 From: Rick Very nice Ken. I am almost exactly at the same point. I spent today taking everything off the fuselage, firewall forward, getting ready to cover the fuselage. I have a friend that just built a large spray booth to paint his Cherokee. The plastic he used was heavy gauge construction polypropylene. It now sits in my T hangar ready to be attached to a frame. Hopefully I will get it set up before Brodhead. See you in a few days! Rick Schreiber NX478RS Sent from my iPad On Jul 15, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: > Yesterday, I framed up a booth for doing some painting. Still some work to go to brace it, enclose it, and fit it out with lights, etc. But squirting paint is in the near future. Cheers, Ken > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:24 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Hinges my buddy had a Morgan in Park Hills, Mo. Steel chassis, wood frame and sheet metal over it. Kingpin front suspension. It would go about 11 miles until it started to overheat. We used to take it to a restaurant in Bismarck, Mo about 10 miles away and get lunch and let it cool then drive it back to his house. He was too cheap to take it to a mechanic. He left it to his daughter when he passed on. She may still have it or maybe she sold it. dennis -----Original Message----- From: tools Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Hinges Was on short call that whole time, but no trips assigned... several days back to back, would rather have been in AMS! It's all covered now, but will try to put together a pic in the next day or two as I retrofit the hinges on 2RN. When you coming to OSH again? Should have the motorhome there by Fri night (26th), a classic wood boat show on Sat in Neenah, then ferrying it down to OSH on Sun to avail for the week (a 30' '64 CC Conny) if I can find a slip or dock space. Wood boat, wood plane, guess I need a Morgan now! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404773#404773 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying to Brodhead and who's not? From: DandD Boyd Dave Boyd, Champaign, IL planning to fly in weather permitting. Arriving Friday afternoon. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Been hearing of a few planes which aren=92t gonna make Brodhead this yea r > and was wondering who is planning on flying up and who is having to drop > out?**** > > ** ** > > Weather permitting, =93RE-PIET=94 will be there.**** > > ** ** > > Douwe**** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Painting, step 1 From: Ken Bickers Rick, this year I won't be able to make Brodhead. Hopefully we'll be able to ooh and aah at each other's Piets next year at Brodhead. Best, Ken On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Rick wrote: > > Very nice Ken. I am almost exactly at the same point. I spent today taking everything off the fuselage, firewall forward, getting ready to cover the fuselage. I have a friend that just built a large spray booth to paint his Cherokee. The plastic he used was heavy gauge construction polypropylene. It now sits in my T hangar ready to be attached to a frame. Hopefully I will get it set up before Brodhead. > > See you in a few days! > > Rick Schreiber > NX478RS > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 15, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: > >> Yesterday, I framed up a booth for doing some painting. Still some work to go to brace it, enclose it, and fit it out with lights, etc. But squirting paint is in the near future. Cheers, Ken >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:28 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying to Brodhead and who's not? The "Northern Contingent" will be well represented. Dick Navratil, Bob Poore and I will be there on Wednesday. We may be joined by Ryan Kallenbach who has just completed a beautiful Corvair powered Air Camper and is working hard to fly off his test hours. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 8:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying to Brodhead and who's not? Been hearing of a few planes which aren't gonna make Brodhead this year and was wondering who is planning on flying up and who is having to drop out? Weather permitting, "RE-PIET" will be there. Douwe ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:26 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continental Conn Rod Bolts Tom, It is all arranged. Please give my bag of bolts to Jim Boyer. He will pay you and bring them back to me. Any questions, please let me know. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:30 AM, "tkreiner" wrote: > > Ray, > > I've been contacted by several others, and I'm going to bring 10 of the bags with me, unless others contact me in the next few days. > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404728#404728 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Who's flying to Brodhead and who's not? From: "Baldeagle" Planning on having '13691 there as well as Frank Pavliga's 1925 Waco 9 For those passing through Indiana, don't forget the Hagarstown fly-in on Tuesday, http://henryshoosiers.com/hagerstown-antique-plane-flying-circus-model-t-museum-driving-tour/ - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404811#404811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.