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1. 05:40 AM - Re: coconut hair (Bill Church)
2. 05:42 AM - Brodhead idea (Bill Church)
3. 07:28 AM - Re: Brodhead idea (Dan Yocum)
4. 10:19 AM - wood fuselage weight (nightmare)
5. 10:35 AM - Re: wood fuselage weight (Bkemike)
6. 11:44 AM - Re: wood fuselage weight (nightmare)
7. 11:47 AM - Mountain Piet update - wing rigging (Greg Bacon)
8. 11:57 AM - Re: Mountain Piet update - wing rigging (Out of Office) (TOM STINEMETZE)
9. 11:57 AM - Wing attach bolts - locking vs castle nuts (Greg Bacon)
10. 12:45 PM - Re: Wing attach bolts - locking vs castle nuts (Gary Boothe)
11. 12:45 PM - Re: Mountain Piet update - wing rigging (Jack Phillips)
12. 12:52 PM - Re: Wing attach bolts - locking vs castle nuts (Jack Phillips)
13. 01:18 PM - Re: Airfoils (Bill Church)
14. 03:46 PM - Advance, the fuselage (giacummo)
15. 04:26 PM - Re: Advance, the fuselage (Gary Boothe)
16. 04:42 PM - Re: Advance, the fuselage (giacummo)
17. 07:07 PM - Pietenpol GoPro pictures (Baldeagle)
18. 07:09 PM - Re: Pietenpol GoPro pictures (Baldeagle)
19. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Airfoils (Isablcorky@aol.com)
20. 07:55 PM - Re: Airfoils (nightmare)
21. 08:02 PM - Re: Mountain Piet update - wing rigging (Greg Bacon)
22. 08:05 PM - Re: Wing attach bolts - locking vs castle nuts (Greg Bacon)
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| Subject: | Re: coconut hair |
"I tried to stop, but it was one long strand."
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A suggestion:
Next year, I think Brodhead should be held in Wisconsin.
Alaska was just too cold.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead idea |
We tried that last year and it was too hot. Maybe Ontario would be nicer...
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| Subject: | wood fuselage weight |
Ive recently changed my mind about fuselage material. Have decided to build steel
tube, and just received my order from Wicks. Was surprised to see shipping
weight of 37 lbs. And I ordered some extra tubing ( I think ) and some nuts and
bolts.
If anyone has weight numbers for their wood fuselage detailing what is attached
and not, would love to see those numbers for comparison. I would be sure
to post my weights as well.
Also, Fyi; wicks is much cheaper than AS&S with 4130. My total for fuselage
tubing was about $360.00 plus $30.00 shipping.
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| Subject: | Re: wood fuselage weight |
I don't know about Wicks being cheaper across the board; most tubing in a steel
Piet is 5/8 - .035. AS&S gets $1.96/ft, Wicks wants $2.94/ft (10:30 am PDT, July
29, 2013).
Mike Hardaway
Tapped on an iPad.
On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:18 AM, "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
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tube, and just received my order from Wicks. Was surprised to see shipping
weight of 37 lbs. And I ordered some extra tubing ( I think ) and some nuts
and bolts.
> If anyone has weight numbers for their wood fuselage detailing what is attached
and not, would love to see those numbers for comparison. I would be sure
to post my weights as well.
> Also, Fyi; wicks is much cheaper than AS&S with 4130. My total for fuselage
tubing was about $360.00 plus $30.00 shipping.
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| Subject: | Re: wood fuselage weight |
I actually counted mostly 1/2 then 5/8 then 3/4 then least amount 7/8.
AS&S was cheapest for the 5/8 but more expensive for the others. My geneneral
statement about cheaper prices also included the nuts bolts and washers. It
was only a 14.00 dollar difference for steel alone. not as much as i had originally
thought, but these pennies add up. I also like supporting the "little
guy". If competition goes down, prices go up.
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| Subject: | Mountain Piet update - wing rigging |
Hello everyone,
Attached is a recent photo of Mountain Piet. Currently, I'm in wing
rigging mode. I've decided to follow Mike Cuy's example, going with 1 inch
dihedral and 3/8 inch washout. Also, I like the look of a bit of dihedral.
Still a bunch to do, but could begin test flights in the Fall.
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Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet update - wing rigging (Out of Office) |
Tom Stinemetze will be unavailable for the remainder of the month of March. I
will be back in my office on April 1, 2013.
>>> Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com> 07/29/13 13:47 >>>
Hello everyone,
Attached is a recent photo of Mountain Piet. Currently, I'm in wing
rigging mode. I've decided to follow Mike Cuy's example, going with 1 inch
dihedral and 3/8 inch washout. Also, I like the look of a bit of dihedral.
Still a bunch to do, but could begin test flights in the Fall.
--
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | Wing attach bolts - locking vs castle nuts |
What kind of nut is recommended for the wing attach bolts? John Dilatush
used nylon locking nuts on his wing attach bolts. What is the rule of
thumb for using castle nuts vs lock nuts? My first thought was to use the
castle nut - cotter pins in areas that are not easily viewed and/or where
the nut would have a torque type force working on it.
Thanks,
--
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attach bolts - locking vs castle nuts |
I used castle nuts, partly for the reason you stated, and partly because my s
et up is very tight, and it is far easier to get them threaded and tightened
.
Gary
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 29, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com> wrote:
> What kind of nut is recommended for the wing attach bolts? John Dilatush u
sed nylon locking nuts on his wing attach bolts. What is the rule of thumb f
or using castle nuts vs lock nuts? My first thought was to use the castle n
ut - cotter pins in areas that are not easily viewed and/or where the nut wo
uld have a torque type force working on it.
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> Greg Bacon
> Prairie Home, MO
> NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | Mountain Piet update - wing rigging |
Greg,
What engine do you have in it now? Is it still the Subaru?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 2:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mountain Piet update - wing rigging
Hello everyone,
Attached is a recent photo of Mountain Piet. Currently, I'm in wing rigging
mode. I've decided to follow Mike Cuy's example, going with 1 inch dihedral
and 3/8 inch washout. Also, I like the look of a bit of dihedral.
Still a bunch to do, but could begin test flights in the Fall.
--
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | Wing attach bolts - locking vs castle nuts |
Greg,
Castle nuts are preferred any where that rotation can be applied to the
joint (which should NOT be the case for the wing attach bolts). Nylon
stopnuts should be fine, but I prefer to use the MS21042 all metal lock
nuts, primarily because they are lighter and smaller than standard AN 310
castle nuts, but still develop the same load. They were standard hardware
for all bolts on the F-16 program when I worked at General Dynamics many
years ago. Castle nuts are fine if you have room to install the cotter
pins.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing attach bolts - locking vs castle nuts
What kind of nut is recommended for the wing attach bolts? John Dilatush
used nylon locking nuts on his wing attach bolts. What is the rule of thumb
for using castle nuts vs lock nuts? My first thought was to use the castle
nut - cotter pins in areas that are not easily viewed and/or where the nut
would have a torque type force working on it.
Thanks,
--
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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Corky,
There was a "real world" side-by-side comparison done recently with two virtually
identical Piets - one with a traditional Pietenpol airfoil, and one with a
Riblett airfoil. PF Beck published the results here on the List, and also presented
the results at Brodhead on the weekend. Essentially, the differences
in performance between the two airfoils (when used on a Pietenpol wing) are negligible.
The choice is up to the builder as to which airfoil to use, but performance-wise,
very little difference should be expected. Huge thanks go out
to PF Beck and Don Harper for doing this research.
Here are links to the results:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t'005&highlight=riblett
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t'797&highlight=riblett
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| Subject: | Advance, the fuselage |
Hello,
When you where/are enjoin in Broadhead/Oshkosh, i was moving the fuselaje from
the garage it was to an hangar where I am putting the semi-ended things. It was
a funy trip. I covered the bottom and sides by now.. Next step cables and engine..
lets see.
Some photos of the event.
Regards
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Advance, the fuselage |
Happy Day, Mario! Did your moving vehicle determine the gear width?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Advance, the fuselage
--> <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
Hello,
When you where/are enjoin in Broadhead/Oshkosh, i was moving the fuselaje
from the garage it was to an hangar where I am putting the semi-ended
things. It was a funy trip. I covered the bottom and sides by now.. Next
step cables and engine.. lets see.
Some photos of the event.
Regards
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Advance, the fuselage |
the side doors dont close because the doors touch the nuts of the wheels, so we
have to put a couple of wood pieces under the wheels to lift it 4 inches over
them. incredible, very very tight. it was comic see it over this little truck.
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Mario Giacummo
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| Subject: | Pietenpol GoPro pictures |
>From Winchester, Indiana, and Brodhead. Still playing with angles and such, and
needed a little more wide angle while trying to catch Dan, but got some good
ones I think.
Re-Piet in the distance
Airport in background
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol GoPro pictures |
Dawn Patrol in Winchester
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In a message dated 7/29/2013 3:18:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
billspiet@sympatico.ca writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church"
<billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Corky,
There was a "real world" side-by-side comparison done recently with two
virtually identical Piets - one with a traditional Pietenpol airfoil, and one
with a Riblett airfoil. PF Beck published the results here on the List,
and also presented the results at Brodhead on the weekend. Essentially,
the differences in performance between the two airfoils (when used on a
Pietenpol wing) are negligible. The choice is up to the builder as to which
airfoil to use, but performance-wise, very little difference should be
expected. Huge thanks go out to PF Beck and Don Harper for doing this research.
Here are links to the results:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t'005&highlight=riblett
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t'797&highlight=riblett
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405605#405605
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Corky; there are two different riblett ribs being built. The 612 and the 613.5.
The one that Bill mentioned is the 612. The performance numbers look very close
to that particular pietenpol wing. I say "that particular", because that wing
used in comparison has vortex generators. Since the vg performance improvements
are pretty well documented, I still give an ever so slight performance advantage
to the riblett 612.
The riblett 613.5 is actually the rib that Mr Riblett recommended for the piet.
It is supposedly a higher lift design over the 612.
The 612 is taller than the piet rib and the 613.5 is taller than the 612. Taller
rib = taller spar= higher fuel capacity in center section tank and higher
safety margin when stretching wingspan. Both ribletts have same chord and spar
to spar distance as piet.
All three will provide loads of fun to fly under.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet update - wing rigging |
Hi Jack,
Yes, I still have the Subaru installed. The A75 is still in the shop.
And, I'd really like to fly the Subaru for a bit. If I like the Subaru,
I'll use the A75 for another project.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>wrote:
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> Jack Phillips****
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> NX899JP****
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> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia****
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> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Bacon
> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 2:47 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Mountain Piet update - wing rigging****
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> ** **
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> Hello everyone,****
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> Attached is a recent photo of Mountain Piet. Currently, I'm in wing
> rigging mode. I've decided to follow Mike Cuy's example, going with 1 inch
> dihedral and 3/8 inch washout. Also, I like the look of a bit of dihedral.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Still a bunch to do, but could begin test flights in the Fall.****
>
> ** **
>
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> --
> Greg Bacon****
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> ****Prairie Home**, **MO********
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> NX114D(Mountain Piet)****
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Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attach bolts - locking vs castle nuts |
Thanks Gary and Jack for the help! Much appreciated.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>wrote:
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> Greg,****
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> Castle nuts are preferred any where that rotation can be applied to the
> joint (which should NOT be the case for the wing attach bolts). Nylon
> stopnuts should be fine, but I prefer to use the MS21042 all metal lock
> nuts, primarily because they are lighter and smaller than standard AN 310
> castle nuts, but still develop the same load. They were standard hardware
> for all bolts on the F-16 program when I worked at General Dynamics many
> years ago. Castle nuts are fine if you have room to install the cotter
> pins.****
>
> ** **
>
> Jack Phillips****
>
> NX899JP****
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> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia****
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> ** **
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> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Bacon
> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 2:58 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Wing attach bolts - locking vs castle nuts****
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> What kind of nut is recommended for the wing attach bolts? John Dilatush
> used nylon locking nuts on his wing attach bolts. What is the rule of
> thumb for using castle nuts vs lock nuts? My first thought was to use the
> castle nut - cotter pins in areas that are not easily viewed and/or where
> the nut would have a torque type force working on it.****
>
> ** **
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> Thanks,
> ****
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> Greg Bacon****
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> ****Prairie Home**, **MO********
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> NX114D(Mountain Piet)****
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