---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/30/13: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: Airfoils (Isablcorky@aol.com) 2. 06:05 AM - Brodhead 2013 (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 06:09 AM - Ray's covering question (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 07:07 AM - Brodhead (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 07:19 AM - Re: Brodhead (Marcus Zechini) 6. 07:23 AM - Re: Brodhead 2013 (Baldeagle) 7. 09:58 AM - Re: Brodhead (Dan Yocum) 8. 01:57 PM - Andrew King contact info (Douwe Blumberg) 9. 02:50 PM - hinge materials (Michael Weston) 10. 03:07 PM - Re: hinge materials (Dale Johnson) 11. 04:45 PM - Re: hinge materials (Rick Holland) 12. 04:45 PM - Re: Brodhead (Rick Holland) 13. 05:37 PM - Aluminum size/thickness (Jim Quinn) 14. 06:32 PM - Re: Aluminum size/thickness (Jack Phillips) 15. 07:21 PM - Re: Aluminum size/thickness (Jim Quinn) 16. 09:34 PM - Re: Andrew King contact info (Baldeagle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:19 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airfoils In a message dated 7/30/2013 2:09:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "nightmare" Corky; there are two different riblett ribs being built. The 612 and the 613.5. The one that Bill mentioned is the 612. The performance numbers look very close to that particular pietenpol wing. I say "that particular", because that wing used in comparison has vortex generators. Since the vg performance improvements are pretty well documented, I still give an ever so slight performance advantage to the riblett 612. The riblett 613.5 is actually the rib that Mr Riblett recommended for the piet. It is supposedly a higher lift design over the 612. The 612 is taller than the piet rib and the 613.5 is taller than the 612. Taller rib = taller spar= higher fuel capacity in center section tank and higher safety margin when stretching wingspan. Both ribletts have same chord and spar to spar distance as piet. All three will provide loads of fun to fly under. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405636#405636 Thanks Paul, I appreciate the information. Since it took me eons to build this Piet rib jig I don't really feel like going through that again with a new airfoil. Corky, starting new Piet after farm house-barn is completed in S Louisiana. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:30 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2013 Well everyone, the dust (or mud) has settled and another Brodhead is behind us. It was a BIG one for me as it was the first time I got to fly up. After ten years of tire-kicking and saying "this is the last time I DRIVE up", I can tell you it was truly a highlight of my life. As always I loved seeing familiar faces and many new ones and truly appreciated the welcome and help offered and given. Had a great turnout despite crummy flying weather, BUT when we could fly, it was absolutely GLORIOUS! After the nasty front came through on Friday, I took Marci up for an evening flight and we both felt we were right out of the movie "Out of Africa". The storm could be seen in the east, glowing pink.. Saw a herd of deer in a cornfield and flew formation with some biplanes and lots of Piets. The most memorable however, was turning around and seeing Andrew Kind in Alan Rudolph's old Piet not more than forty feet next to me. He stayed there and moved around me like a gnat while I tried not to move a muscle. Later it turned out he was trying to get me in his GO-PRO camera, which he succeeded in doing. Hope to share that one soon. Gotta attend to business and decompress, then back to the hangar to clean the bugs and grass off RE-PIET, figure out why the battery isn't holding a charge and why the intercom puked out. I want to write a little article about my flight up and back. In the old newsletters, I used to occasionally come across an "Odyssey" type story and found them very inspirational as I built and daydreamed about my turn. Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:47 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ray's covering question No secret Ray, Thanks for the kind words! I wanted to replicate the old doped linen look which I find beautiful as the light comes through it. It sounds like the plane you are referring to is probably Dick's Rotec powered Piet. Ours are a bit different from eachother. I used ceconite and traditional dope. The dope was all clear however, which I tinted using standard artist powdered pigments. I experimented on scrap until found the right strength. Each sprayed coat added a tiny bit of color until I had the right number of coats and the right tint. I did add UV protector to the dope to help some. The green is latex on the ceconite and auto enamel on the cowling and metal. I figure my plane will always be hangared and will only see a few hours of sunlight a year, so I won't worry about UV damage for a few decades. Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:15 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Why don't they just move the dang thing into early fall when the weather is so much nicer!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead From: Marcus Zechini V2FpdC4uLkkgdGhvdWdodCB0aGF0IFdBUyBlYXJseSBGYWxsLi4uLnN1cmUgZmVsdCBsaWtlIGl0 IQ0KT24gSnVsIDMwLCAyMDEzIDEwOjA4IEFNLCAiRG91d2UgQmx1bWJlcmciIDxkb3V3ZWJsdW1i ZXJnQGVhcnRobGluay5uZXQ+DQp3cm90ZToNCg0KPiAgV2h5IGRvbpJ0IHRoZXkganVzdCBtb3Zl IHRoZSBkYW5nIHRoaW5nIGludG8gZWFybHkgZmFsbCB3aGVuIHRoZSB3ZWF0aGVyDQo+IGlzIHNv IG11Y2ggbmljZXIhISoqKioNCj4NCj4gKiogKioNCj4NCj4gRG91d2UqKioqDQo+DQo+ICoNCj4N Cj4gXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT0NCj4gXy09ICAgICAgICAgIC0gVGhlIFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVt IC0NCj4gXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMgTmF2aWdhdG9yIHRvIGJy b3dzZQ0KPiBfLT0gdGhlIG1hbnkgTGlzdCB1dGlsaXRpZXMgc3VjaCBhcyBMaXN0IFVuL1N1YnNj cmlwdGlvbiwNCj4gXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwg Q2hhdCwgRkFRLA0KPiBfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3JlOg0KPiBfLT0N Cj4gXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/UGlldGVucG9s LUxpc3QNCj4gXy09DQo+IF8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQo+IF8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0gTUFUUk9OSUNTIFdF QiBGT1JVTVMgLQ0KPiBfLT0gU2FtZSBncmVhdCBjb250ZW50IGFsc28gYXZhaWxhYmxlIHZpYSB0 aGUgV2ViIEZvcnVtcyENCj4gXy09DQo+IF8tPSAgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmlj cy5jb20NCj4gXy09DQo+IF8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQo+IF8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIExpc3QgQ29udHJpYnV0 aW9uIFdlYiBTaXRlIC0NCj4gXy09ICBUaGFuayB5b3UgZm9yIHlvdXIgZ2VuZXJvdXMgc3VwcG9y dCENCj4gXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLU1hdHQgRHJhbGxlLCBMaXN0 IEFkbWluLg0KPiBfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1dGlv bg0KPiBfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PQ0KPiAqDQo+DQo+DQo ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2013 From: "Baldeagle" Douwe, It was fun flying with you, I posted a couple of the photos in another thread, and will e-mail higher res versions to you. The strut mount for the camera is subject to a little movement, so they aren't perfect, but still look pretty neat. Even with the cold and wind it was a fun fly-in- Andrew -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405660#405660 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:09 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead That's when the MAAC fly-in is... You're a member of that, I'm sure. -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:53 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Andrew King contact info Hey, how can I contact Andrew King? He took an air to air shot that he wants to share with me, but I need to get in touch with him. Thanks! Douwe ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:24 PM PST US From: Michael Weston Subject: Pietenpol-List: hinge materials hi people! while i was at brodhead (brrrrrrr! cold!), i saw that many piets had piano hinge aileron hinges. while there i forgot to ask what they were made of, aluminum or steel. any input is welcome thanks. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:19 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hinge materials Michael Ours are made of aluminum. Dale Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Weston" Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: hinge materials > > > hi people! while i was at brodhead (brrrrrrr! cold!), i saw that many > piets had piano hinge aileron hinges. while there i forgot to ask what > they were made of, aluminum or steel. any input is welcome thanks. > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hinge materials From: Rick Holland Aluminum, bought the expensive extruded ones but most agree the rolled ones are fine. rh On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Michael Weston wrote: > smikewest@comcast.net> > > hi people! while i was at brodhead (brrrrrrr! cold!), i saw that many > piets had piano hinge aileron hinges. while there i forgot to ask what they > were made of, aluminum or steel. any input is welcome thanks. > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead From: Rick Holland UHJvYmFibHkgYmVjYXVzZSBvZiBBaXJ2ZW50dXJlLg0KDQoNCk9uIFR1ZSwgSnVsIDMwLCAyMDEz IGF0IDk6MDggQU0sIERvdXdlIEJsdW1iZXJnIDxkb3V3ZWJsdW1iZXJnQGVhcnRobGluay5uZXQN Cj4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCj4gIFdoeSBkb26SdCB0aGV5IGp1c3QgbW92ZSB0aGUgZGFuZyB0aGluZyBp bnRvIGVhcmx5IGZhbGwgd2hlbiB0aGUgd2VhdGhlcg0KPiBpcyBzbyBtdWNoIG5pY2VyISEqKioq DQo+DQo+ICoqICoqDQo+DQo+IERvdXdlKioqKg0KPg0KPiAqDQo+DQo+IF8tPT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQo+IF8tPSAg ICAgICAgICAtIFRoZSBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdCBFbWFpbCBGb3J1bSAtDQo+IF8tPSBVc2UgdGhl IE1hdHJvbmljcyBMaXN0IEZlYXR1cmVzIE5hdmlnYXRvciB0byBicm93c2UNCj4gXy09IHRoZSBt YW55IExpc3QgdXRpbGl0aWVzIHN1Y2ggYXMgTGlzdCBVbi9TdWJzY3JpcHRpb24sDQo+IF8tPSBB cmNoaXZlIFNlYXJjaCAmIERvd25sb2FkLCA3LURheSBCcm93c2UsIENoYXQsIEZBUSwNCj4gXy09 IFBob3Rvc2hhcmUsIGFuZCBtdWNoIG11Y2ggbW9yZToNCj4gXy09DQo+IF8tPSAgIC0tPiBodHRw Oi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP1BpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0DQo+IF8tPQ0KPiBf LT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PQ0KPiBfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIE1BVFJPTklDUyBXRUIgRk9SVU1TIC0NCj4gXy09 IFNhbWUgZ3JlYXQgY29udGVudCBhbHNvIGF2YWlsYWJsZSB2aWEgdGhlIFdlYiBGb3J1bXMhDQo+ IF8tPQ0KPiBfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQo+IF8tPQ0KPiBf LT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PQ0KPiBfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgLSBMaXN0IENvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbiBXZWIgU2l0ZSAtDQo+ IF8tPSAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdlbmVyb3VzIHN1cHBvcnQhDQo+IF8tPSAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlzdCBBZG1pbi4NCj4gXy09ICAg LS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24NCj4gXy09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCj4gKg0K Pg0KPg0KDQoNCi0tIA0KUmljayBIb2xsYW5kDQpDYXN0bGUgUm9jaywgQ29sb3JhZG8NCk5YNjgx OVoNCg= ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:08 PM PST US From: "Jim Quinn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness I'm about to order the aluminum for the cockpit area, maybe the cowl area too. My question is what is the best thickness to use. Thanks! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:13 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness 0.025" Aluminum 2024-T3 is what I used. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain lake, Virginia (temporarily Brodhead, Wisconsin) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness I'm about to order the aluminum for the cockpit area, maybe the cowl area too. My question is what is the best thickness to use. Thanks! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:20 PM PST US From: "Jim Quinn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness Thanks Jack !! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:31 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness 0.025" Aluminum 2024-T3 is what I used. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain lake, Virginia (temporarily Brodhead, Wisconsin) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:24 PM To: Piet list Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness I'm about to order the aluminum for the cockpit area, maybe the cowl area too. My question is what is the best thickness to use. Thanks! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Andrew King contact info From: "Baldeagle" Douwe, Tried to send the pictures, and got an e-mail from your "Spam Control" that said to reply to that e-mail and I would get put on your list to recieve e-mails. 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