---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/31/13: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:40 AM - Re: Aluminum size/thickness (shad bell) 2. 08:59 AM - Re: Ray's covering question (Ray Krause) 3. 09:11 AM - Re: Aluminum size/thickness (Ray Krause) 4. 10:35 AM - Re: Aluminum size/thickness (shad bell) 5. 12:18 PM - Varnish Application w/ Wagner Power Sprayer (Bob Dewenter) 6. 02:06 PM - Re: Aluminum size/thickness (Necia Chase-Davis) 7. 02:37 PM - Re: Aluminum size/thickness (Bill Church) 8. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum size/thickness (shad bell) 9. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum size/thickness (Necia Chase-Davis) 10. 06:49 PM - Carlson aircraft strut fittings (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 11. 08:27 PM - Re: Aluminum size/thickness (Ray Krause) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:22 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness If anyone needs .020 2024 T3=C2-aluminum, I just purchased a lot from a T eenie Two builder and will sell it cheeper than Aircraft spruce, I have at least 6ea =C2-4' by 8' sheets wrapped and protected, it's more than I wil l need in 2 life times.=C2- Local pickup only.=0A=C2-=0AShad=0A=C2- =0A=C2-=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Jack Phillips =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tues day, July 30, 2013 9:31 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thi ckness=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A0.025=9D Aluminum 2024-T3 is what I=0Aused. =0A=C2- =0AJack Phillips =0ANX899JP =0ASmith Mountain lake, Virginia (tem porarily=0ABrodhead, Wisconsin) =0A=C2- =0A=0A___________________________ _____=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-p ietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn=0ASent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:24=0APM=0ATo: Piet list=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminu m=0Asize/thickness =0A=C2- =0AI'm about to order the aluminum for the co ckpit area, maybe=0Athe cowl area too. My question is what is the best thic kness to use. =0A=C2- =0AThanks! =0A=C2- =0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0Ahttp: //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com ========= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ray's covering question From: Ray Krause Douwe, Thanks for the response to your non secret paint formula. My dad owned a hob by shop when I was young and we built LOTS of air planes. Our shop and home a lways smelled of nitrate and butyrate dope, we sold it in bulk. I love the s mell, but it gives me a terrible me a terrible headache! I don't think I hav e enough brain reserve at this stage of my life to use the dope again! Has anyone found a clear latex-like product with UV protection? Stewart's, m aybe? I agree with you about the plane not being in the UV light enough to d isintegrate during our life times. I talked to the Stewart's rep here in our area and he said they have an adhesive now that is not colored green, just f or those who want to go "natural". He did not know about a clear final coat. Looking forward to you Broadhead flight adventures. Thanks again, Ray Krause SkyScout coming along. Sent from my iPad On Jul 30, 2013, at 6:10 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > No secret Ray, > > Thanks for the kind words! > > I wanted to replicate the old doped linen look which I find beautiful as t he light comes through it. > > It sounds like the plane you are referring to is probably Dick=99s R otec powered Piet. Ours are a bit different from eachother. > > I used ceconite and traditional dope. The dope was all clear however, whi ch I tinted using standard artist powdered pigments. I experimented on scra p until found the right strength. Each sprayed coat added a tiny bit of col or until I had the right number of coats and the right tint. I did add UV p rotector to the dope to help some. > > The green is latex on the ceconite and auto enamel on the cowling and meta l. > > I figure my plane will always be hangared and will only see a few hours of sunlight a year, so I won=99t worry about UV damage for a few decades .. > > Douwe > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:58 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness What is "local"? I forgot! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:39 AM, shad bell wrote: > If anyone needs .020 2024 T3 aluminum, I just purchased a lot from a Teeni e Two builder and will sell it cheeper than Aircraft spruce, I have at least 6ea 4' by 8' sheets wrapped and protected, it's more than I will need in 2 life times. Local pickup only. > > Shad > > > > From: Jack Phillips > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:31 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness > > 0.025=9D Aluminum 2024-T3 is what I used. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain lake, Virginia (temporarily Brodhead, Wisconsin) > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:24 PM > To: Piet list > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness > > I'm about to order the aluminum for the cockpit area, maybe the cowl area t oo. My question is what is the best thickness to use. > > Thanks! > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > http://======================= > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:02 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness I am in=C2-Centerburg, Ohio=0AShad=0A =0A=0A_____________________________ ___=0A From: Ray Krause =0ATo: "pietenpol-list@m atronics.com" =0ASent: Wednesday, July 31, 2 013 12:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness=0A =0A =0A=0AWhat is "local"? I forgot!=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0ARay Krause=0A=0ASent fro m my iPad=0A=0AOn Jul 31, 2013, at 8:39 AM, shad bell wrote:=0A=0A=0AIf anyone needs .020 2024 T3=C2-aluminum, I just purcha sed a lot from a Teenie Two builder and will sell it cheeper than Aircraft spruce, I have at least 6ea =C2-4' by 8' sheets wrapped and protected, it 's more than I will need in 2 life times.=C2- Local pickup only.=0A>=C2 -=0A>Shad=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>___________________________ _____=0A> From: Jack Phillips =0A>To: pietenpol-l ist@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:31 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>0.025 =9D Aluminum 2024-T3 is what I=0Aused. =0A>=C2- =0A>Jack Phillips =0A>NX8 99JP =0A>Smith Mountain lake, Virginia (temporarily=0ABrodhead, Wisconsin) =0A>=C2- =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> =0A>From:owner-pie tenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matron ics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn=0A>Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:24=0APM =0A>To: Piet list=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum=0Asize/thickness =0A>=C2- =0A>I'm about to order the aluminum for the cockpit area, maybe =0Athe cowl area too. My question is what is the best thickness to use. =0A>=C2- =0A>Thanks! =0A>=C2- =0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/=0A>http ://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>=C2- =0A>http://==/==== ================= =0A>=0A> =0A>== =========0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Li st=0A======================= =============0Acs.com=0A========= ==0Amatronics.com/contribution=0A============= ============= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Application w/ Wagner Power Sprayer From: "Bob Dewenter" Has anyone tried using a Wagner power sprayer to apply helmsman spar varnish to any of the fuselage, tail sections, wing, etc? I'm wondering how well it worked if at all, and what kind of finish it would leave on the interior surfaces of the fuselage? -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405734#405734 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:07 PM PST US From: "Necia Chase-Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness Don't forget that Aircraft Spruce does price match though: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pricematch.php :) ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness If anyone needs .020 2024 T3 aluminum, I just purchased a lot from a Teenie Two builder and will sell it cheeper than Aircraft spruce, I have at least 6ea 4' by 8' sheets wrapped and protected, it's more than I will need in 2 life times. Local pickup only. Shad From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:31 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness 0.025=9D Aluminum 2024-T3 is what I used. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain lake, Virginia (temporarily Brodhead, Wisconsin) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:24 PM To: Piet list Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness I'm about to order the aluminum for the cockpit area, maybe the cowl area too. My question is what is the best thickness to use. Thanks! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution http://====================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum size/thickness From: "Bill Church" I think Aircraft Spruce just earned a few points for having a sense of humor. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405741#405741 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:21 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum size/thickness Maybe I will just build a boat with it then.- "You ever been on a shrimp boat?" "No but I've been on a really big boat"=0A-=0AShad=0A =0A=0A______ __________________________=0A From: Bill Church =0A =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum size/thickness=0A =0A=0A--> Piete npol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" =0A=0AI think Aircraft Spruce just earned a few points for having a sense of humor. =0A=0ABC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matr ============= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:09 PM PST US From: "Necia Chase-Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum size/thickness Thank you Bill. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum size/thickness I think Aircraft Spruce just earned a few points for having a sense of humor. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405741#405741 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carlson aircraft strut fittings From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT I've just ordered some strut material from Carlson and I've been surfing the archives on how the fittings are being made. It appears most folks are using 7075 aluminum inserts for the strut ends. I'm wondering why 7075. I understand the strength is better but really the struts are 6061 so if the fittings are twice as strong by using 7075, doesn't that just move the failure point to the strut rather than the fitting? Plus the strut material material area that is in contact with the bolts is much smaller than the area of the insert itself. Is my logic flawed here? I thought I read that the corrosion resistance is better in 6061 but I might be mistaken as I've read a lot on the different alloys today and might have it confused with another. Thanks, Tom Brant Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:52 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness I don't think that would be a local pick-up for me! Thanks for the offer! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2013, at 10:34 AM, shad bell wrote: > I am in Centerburg, Ohio > Shad > > From: Ray Krause > To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness > > What is "local"? I forgot! > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:39 AM, shad bell wrote: > >> If anyone needs .020 2024 T3 aluminum, I just purchased a lot from a Teen ie Two builder and will sell it cheeper than Aircraft spruce, I have at leas t 6ea 4' by 8' sheets wrapped and protected, it's more than I will need in 2 life times. Local pickup only. >> >> Shad >> >> >> >> From: Jack Phillips >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:31 PM >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness >> >> 0.025=9D Aluminum 2024-T3 is what I used. >> >> Jack Phillips >> NX899JP >> Smith Mountain lake, Virginia (temporarily Brodhead, Wisconsin) >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn >> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:24 PM >> To: Piet list >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum size/thickness >> >> I'm about to order the aluminum for the cockpit area, maybe the cowl area too. 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