---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/06/13: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:40 AM - Re: leather flying helmet (Dan Yocum) 2. 05:51 AM - Spitfire Recon footage/documentary film (randycary) 3. 07:52 AM - Re: Moving the wing back (scudrun) 4. 08:14 AM - wheels (John Greenlee) 5. 08:39 AM - Re: Spitfire Recon footage/documentary film (Ray Krause) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Moving the wing back (Gary Boothe) 7. 10:16 AM - Tilted cabanes (Bill Church) 8. 10:30 AM - AN867-3 and finger strainer (bdewenter) 9. 10:40 AM - Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? (bdewenter) 10. 10:51 AM - Re: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 11. 11:10 AM - Re: Tilted cabanes (Mario Giacummo) 12. 11:18 AM - steel fuse. (proplock) 13. 11:21 AM - Re: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? (tools) 14. 11:44 AM - Re: Tilted cabanes (Bkemike) 15. 11:46 AM - Re: Tilted cabanes (AircamperN11MS) 16. 11:52 AM - Re: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. (skybachs) 17. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 18. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. (Bkemike) 19. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 20. 01:15 PM - Re: Moving the wing back (scudrun) 21. 01:38 PM - Re: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? (Lion Mason) 22. 03:41 PM - Re: Spitfire Recon footage/documentary film (Chris Rusch) 23. 04:37 PM - Dan Yokum's Piet (Gary Boothe) 24. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Moving the wing back (Gary Boothe) 25. 05:30 PM - Re: Dan Yokum's Piet (Bill Church) 26. 05:50 PM - Re: Tilted cabanes (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:25 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: leather flying helmet For the smooth custom fit that the ever popular Dan Helsper experiences every time he slips on his helmet, look no farther than Pops Leather. Have your head dimensions ready when you order - it truly is a custom made helmet, made specially for your noggin and at $45-50 it can't be beat: http://www.popsleather.com/new_catalog.php3?tp=56&cksess=0607-f2c11c7d5a2b620a2fdcca60ca13c53d-712286318 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spitfire Recon footage/documentary film From: "randycary" Check this out. Enjoyable Randy Cary http://www.youtube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY -------- randy cary Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406039#406039 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Moving the wing back From: "scudrun" Thanks for the responses guys. I am the third person involved with this aircraft. The original owner knew the CG would be aft but the second owners who did the firewall forward didn't think it looked right and so they cut out the aluminum and did the cabanes vertical. She balances near the rear limit and has some generous aluminum fixed tabs on the elevator and flies nicely trimmed at 60mph but when I look back there is significant down elevator deflection. Since I switched from the metal prop to a nice cloudcars wooden prop it won't help the weight and balance any. So it sounds like all I might need to do is make some new angled struts. For the big holes in the aluminum I was thinking of sewing on some leather to fair in the struts and cover the ugly holes. Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406048#406048 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:57 AM PST US From: "John Greenlee" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wheels Hey guys, I am in need of a set of either: 1. Shinn 6.00X6 wheels for 1 =BD=94 straight axles. Or: 2. Cleveland 6.00X6=94 DHB or DMB wheels along with the mechanical brakes. If these are collecting dust on your shelves please contact me off the list! Tailwinds! JMG ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:30 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spitfire Recon footage/documentary film Thanks for passing this along! Very touching, a very personal view of history...of aviation. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:50 AM, "randycary" wrote: > > Check this out. Enjoyable > Randy Cary > http://www.youtube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY > > -------- > randy cary > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406039#406039 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:25 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Moving the wing back Joe, You are thinking right. Leather patches can cover a host of sins! Be very wary of a rearward CG. I would suggest that you plan on doing your own W&B, during the time you are moving the wing. 1 or 2 inches may not be enough, and you may as well make it right, while you're at it. Personally, I think slanting the cabanes back give it a faster look...at least like 70 -75mph!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scudrun Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 7:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Moving the wing back Thanks for the responses guys. I am the third person involved with this aircraft. The original owner knew the CG would be aft but the second owners who did the firewall forward didn't think it looked right and so they cut out the aluminum and did the cabanes vertical. She balances near the rear limit and has some generous aluminum fixed tabs on the elevator and flies nicely trimmed at 60mph but when I look back there is significant down elevator deflection. Since I switched from the metal prop to a nice cloudcars wooden prop it won't help the weight and balance any. So it sounds like all I might need to do is make some new angled struts. For the big holes in the aluminum I was thinking of sewing on some leather to fair in the struts and cover the ugly holes. Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406048#406048 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes From: "Bill Church" Just saw this on the Facebook page for the UK Pietenpol Club. The photo is from 1967, and depicts the Piet that was built with two A-65 engines, in a stacked configuration. Can't for the life of me figure out how that could have been an idea worth pursuing. Regardless, check out the cabane struts. Might be the first Piet ever built with the cabane struts tilted forwards. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406058#406058 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/twopiet_148.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN867-3 and finger strainer From: "bdewenter" So I bought a couple AN867-3 and one finger strainer The brass finger strainer wont thread into the aluminum AN867-3 (by hand). Am I just not being rough enough with these two items ? >From the web site: Finger strainers are strainers for fuel tank outlets. Standard size features a brass fitting with 3/8" male pipe thread which fits AN867-3 welding flange, and 1/4" female pipe thread for valve or fuel line fitting. Screen is 16 mesh brass -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406060#406060 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? From: "bdewenter" Earlier this spring I was building my wing rib jig. I was using a brad nailer to secure the forming blocks to the jig base. About half way through the job the brad nailer stopped / jammed. It would kind of fire fire, but only a slight puff of air could be heard - no "THUMP" and no brad would come out. I had another brad nailer and switched to it. Just before the last block was secured, the second nailer had an identical failure. Is this a common problem from contamination in the air tank? Are these brad nailers serviceable? (One is a black and decker unit and the other is el 'cheapo from Lowes.) Where do you take them to get them repaired? What does one do to prevent another failure? -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406062#406062 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:48 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? Bob, Just a thought...are you putting a few drops of air-oil in the gun each time before you use it? A water/moisture separator between your air compressor and air hose is a good way to keep it from your tools. Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? --> Earlier this spring I was building my wing rib jig. I was using a brad nailer to secure the forming blocks to the jig base. About half way through the job the brad nailer stopped / jammed. It would kind of fire fire, but only a slight puff of air could be heard - no "THUMP" and no brad would come out. I had another brad nailer and switched to it. Just before the last block was secured, the second nailer had an identical failure. Is this a common problem from contamination in the air tank? Are these brad nailers serviceable? (One is a black and decker unit and the other is el 'cheapo from Lowes.) Where do you take them to get them repaired? What does one do to prevent another failure? -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406062#406062 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:03 AM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes This airplane, if it is a Piet, it's scaled up a lot!!! Mario Giacummo 2013/8/6 Bill Church > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Just saw this on the Facebook page for the UK Pietenpol Club. The photo > is from 1967, and depicts the Piet that was built with two A-65 engines, in > a stacked configuration. Can't for the life of me figure out how that > could have been an idea worth pursuing. > Regardless, check out the cabane struts. Might be the first Piet ever > built with the cabane struts tilted forwards. > BC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406058#406058 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/twopiet_148.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: steel fuse. From: "proplock" Looking at steel piet plans, looks like the short fuse from Pietenpol family. Were does the short and long version differ in dimensions? Which one for a C-65? TIA -------- A remarkable lad , capable of many things Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406067#406067 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? From: "tools" Usually due to a lack of oil. Lube it up real good and dry fire the heck out of it until everything is reseated. Might consider dismantling and look for galling between steel parts. If it's got galling, smooth parts out with a file and sandpaper. It can also be a problem with the trigger. Bostitch nailers are famous for an o-ring failing in there, but the symptoms are different. A moisture separator will only work until the air is heated up in the system, as they separate water particles, not "moisture" as they imply. Unless you're using a dessicant based dryer. However, the moisture in the air isn't the over riding problem, possibly a lack of oil. I had this failure just last week... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406068#406068 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:39 AM PST US From: Bkemike Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes It probably takes care of the aft CG issue. It appears that the "contra-rotating" props actually turn the same direction and it might be less than fun to hand prop. Why bother? Mike Hardaway Tapped on an iPad. On Aug 6, 2013, at 10:16 AM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > Just saw this on the Facebook page for the UK Pietenpol Club. The photo is from 1967, and depicts the Piet that was built with two A-65 engines, in a stacked configuration. Can't for the life of me figure out how that could have been an idea worth pursuing. > Regardless, check out the cabane struts. Might be the first Piet ever built with the cabane struts tilted forwards. > BC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406058#406058 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/twopiet_148.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tilted cabanes From: "AircamperN11MS" Wow, I remember seeing pics of that plane when I was a kid. Amazing the stuff I have forgotten. Thanks for the memories. I don't know anything about the plane except seeing the Pics. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406071#406071 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. From: "skybachs" I don't agree with the naming convention: Dans Piet (which was built by someone else) I'd Dan's because he flies it, shows it, and writes about it. We know it as his and very few of us know the builders, My Piet isn't mine anymore, it belongs to the delightfully droll Brad Williams. Now, if you want to start a Naming convention like they do with purebred cats or famous violins, we can set up a committee to think about the possible methods to appoint a group to study the methodology for assembling a panel to begin the selection process of naming a consultant to advise the Forum on possible candidates to examine the history and epistemology of a Board that, given a modicum of authority) could write the bylaws to oversee the Committee for Creating a Naming Standard. I will , by the end of Time, have several Piets built and flying. Proud to have them, like children, all named after me... but like our progeny, they will someday be married off to suitable suitors and have a life of their own. -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406072#406072 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:20 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. UNCLASSIFIED Had a Keeshond once named "Shamus son of one Fussy Hussy." He was papered and everything. Great Dog but magnetic. How about that for the beginning of a naming convention! NX3379, Steve's Piet, made by George Waterman of Medina, Texas. Or Steve's Piet, Formerly known as John, and George's Piet. I am going to ask around and see if the original builder is still alive. I would love to meet him and pick his brain. Steve D. On 08/06/13, skybachs wrote: > > I don't agree with the naming convention: Dans Piet (which was built by someone else) I'd Dan's because he flies it, shows it, and writes about it. We know it as his and very few of us know the builders, > > My Piet isn't mine anymore, it belongs to the delightfully droll Brad Williams. > > Now, if you want to start a Naming convention like they do with purebred cats or famous violins, we can set up a committee to think about the possible methods to appoint a group to study the methodology for assembling a panel to begin the selection process of naming a consultant to advise the Forum on possible candidates to examine the history and epistemology of a Board that, given a modicum of authority) could write the bylaws to oversee the Committee for Creating a Naming Standard. > > I will , by the end of Time, have several Piets built and flying. Proud to have them, like children, all named after me... but like our progeny, they will someday be married off to suitable suitors and have a life of their own. > > -------- > NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! > NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream > NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done > NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406072#406072 > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:00 PM PST US From: Bkemike Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. We will name our perpetual project "Sisyphus." Mike Hardaway Tapped on an iPad. On Aug 6, 2013, at 12:15 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote: > > UNCLASSIFIED > Had a Keeshond once named "Shamus son of one Fussy Hussy." He was papered and everything. Great Dog but magnetic. > > How about that for the beginning of a naming convention! NX3379, Steve's Piet, made by George Waterman of Medina, Texas. Or Steve's Piet, Formerly known as John, and George's Piet. > > I am going to ask around and see if the original builder is still alive. I would love to meet him and pick his brain. > > Steve D. > > > On 08/06/13, skybachs wrote: >> [snip] > UNCLASSIFIED > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:08 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. UNCLASSIFIED I do NOT like that name. It hits too close to home. LOL Steve D On 08/06/13, Bkemike wrote: > > We will name our perpetual project "Sisyphus." > > Mike Hardaway > > Tapped on an iPad. > > > > > On Aug 6, 2013, at 12:15 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote: > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED > > Had a Keeshond once named "Shamus son of one Fussy Hussy." He was papered and everything. Great Dog but magnetic. > > > > How about that for the beginning of a naming convention! NX3379, Steve's Piet, made by George Waterman of Medina, Texas. Or Steve's Piet, Formerly known as John, and George's Piet. > > > > I am going to ask around and see if the original builder is still alive. I would love to meet him and pick his brain. > > > > Steve D. > > > > > > On 08/06/13, skybachs wrote: > > >> [snip] > > > UNCLASSIFIED > > > > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Moving the wing back From: "scudrun" Gary tsk tsk, you obviously don't know it's way easier to get that extra 15mph by turning that little screw inside the airspeed indicator! [Laughing] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406079#406079 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? From: Lion Mason Bob put a drop of oil in through the air hose fitting every time you use it. Also, put a water trap in the air line as close to your air tool as you can. Putting it next to the compressor will not get all the water out. Gardiner Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2013, at 1:40 PM, "bdewenter" wrote: > > Earlier this spring I was building my wing rib jig. I was using a brad nailer to secure the forming blocks to the jig base. About half way through the job the brad nailer stopped / jammed. It would kind of fire fire, but only a slight puff of air could be heard - no "THUMP" and no brad would come out. I had another brad nailer and switched to it. Just before the last block was secured, the second nailer had an identical failure. > > Is this a common problem from contamination in the air tank? > Are these brad nailers serviceable? (One is a black and decker unit and the other is el 'cheapo from Lowes.) > Where do you take them to get them repaired? > What does one do to prevent another failure? > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406062#406062 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spitfire Recon footage/documentary film From: "Chris Rusch" Awesome video! -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406095#406095 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:57 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan Yokum's Piet My Piet parked next to Dan's.Well, it was there in spirit. Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:28 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Moving the wing back I forgot about that! I did vastly improve my airspeed by making a new face card for the indicator, though... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scudrun Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Moving the wing back Gary tsk tsk, you obviously don't know it's way easier to get that extra 15mph by turning that little screw inside the airspeed indicator! [Laughing] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406079#406079 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan Yokum's Piet From: "Bill Church" Hey, something looks fishy. That guy in the white T-shirt in front of Dan's Piet almost looks like he was photoshopped into the picture. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406101#406101 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:48 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes Dan Helsper - There's hope! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes --> Just saw this on the Facebook page for the UK Pietenpol Club. The photo is from 1967, and depicts the Piet that was built with two A-65 engines, in a stacked configuration. Can't for the life of me figure out how that could have been an idea worth pursuing. Regardless, check out the cabane struts. Might be the first Piet ever built with the cabane struts tilted forwards. 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