Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 08/07/13


Total Messages Posted: 38



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:09 AM - Re: Tilted cabanes (danhelsper@aol.com)
     2. 04:21 AM - Re: Speed- was; Moving the wing back (danhelsper@aol.com)
     3. 04:50 AM - Dan's Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     4. 05:29 AM - Brodhead photos (Bill Church)
     5. 05:37 AM - Re: Tilted cabanes (AircamperN11MS)
     6. 05:41 AM - Re: Brodhead photos (Robert Gow)
     7. 05:43 AM - Re: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? (bdewenter)
     8. 06:28 AM - cables, wires, tubes, cords, instruments, etc (giacummo)
     9. 06:53 AM - finger strainer problem (Douwe Blumberg)
    10. 07:27 AM - Re: Brodhead photos (Dan Yocum)
    11. 07:59 AM - Re: Tilted cabanes (BYD)
    12. 08:01 AM - Re: Brodhead photos (Robert Gow)
    13. 08:04 AM - Re: Tilted cabanes (Dan Yocum)
    14. 09:51 AM - Dan Yokum's Pietenpol (Gary Boothe)
    15. 10:14 AM - Re: AN867-3 and finger strainer (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
    16. 10:15 AM - Re: finger strainer problem (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
    17. 10:32 AM - To LSA or not to LSA  (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
    18. 11:28 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (AircamperN11MS)
    19. 11:30 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (AircamperN11MS)
    20. 11:33 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (tools)
    21. 11:33 AM - Re: finger strainer problem (Steve Ruse)
    22. 11:36 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (tools)
    23. 11:37 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (tools)
    24. 11:51 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (AircamperN11MS)
    25. 12:00 PM - Re: Latex Paint Forum (womenfly2)
    26. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: To LSA or not to LSA (Bkemike)
    27. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: To LSA or not to LSA  (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
    28. 12:28 PM - Re: Re: To LSA or not to LSA  (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
    29. 12:34 PM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (tkreiner)
    30. 12:37 PM - Flying at night (TOM STINEMETZE)
    31. 12:39 PM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (AircamperN11MS)
    32. 12:57 PM - Re: Flying at night (tools)
    33. 01:05 PM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (tools)
    34. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: To LSA or not to LSA  (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
    35. 01:32 PM - naming convention (Oscar Zuniga)
    36. 01:35 PM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (AircamperN11MS)
    37. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: To LSA or not to LSA (airlion2@gmail.com)
    38. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Latex Paint Forum (gliderx5@comcast.net)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:09:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tilted cabanes
    From: danhelsper@aol.com
    Hey, ya know, I got to thinking after studying that Bleriot replica at Brod head...... That thing has a huge prop, 50HP and only turns 1200 RPM. Why won't mine fly with the 4-blader? I have at least 50 HP and 1600 rpm? I got half a mind to try it after all......next trip up north. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 7:51 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes Dan Helsper - There's hope! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes --> <billspiet@sympatico.ca> Just saw this on the Facebook page for the UK Pietenpol Club. The photo is from 1967, and depicts the Piet that was built with two A-65 engines, in a stacked configuration. Can't for the life of me figure out how that could have been an idea worth pursuing. Regardless, check out the cabane struts. Might be the first Piet ever buil t with the cabane struts tilted forwards. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406058#406058 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/twopiet_148.jpg


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    Time: 04:21:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Speed- was; Moving the wing back
    From: danhelsper@aol.com
    Speaking of speed, at Brodhead I got several comments from the boys I flew in with (Jack Phillips and Gene Rambo) how they couldn't believe how fast I was going on the way over there from Poplar Grove.....76 MPH. Not bad for a model A and a huge radiator in the way. Don't really know what my secret is, although I suppose I could attribute it all to my (expert) prop-carving abilities. But seriously, after sitting through some airfoil forums at OSH I surmised that it just might have something to do with the fact that I su pported the aft edge-top of the wing LE ply so that it couldn't (didn't) si nk-down with the fabric shrinking. What do y'all think? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 6:56 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Moving the wing back I forgot about that! I did vastly improve my airspeed by making a new face card for the indicator, though... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scudrun Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Moving the wing back Gary tsk tsk, you obviously don't know it's way easier to get that extra 15mph by turning that little screw inside the airspeed indicator! [Laughing] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406079#406079


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    Time: 04:50:54 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Dan's Pietenpol
    Here's some photos of Dan Yocum in his Pietenpol at Brodhead 2012 sharing i t with others and having a great time and looking pretty cool too. Mike C. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE9342.C7DE1CB0][cid:image002.jpg@01CE9342.C7DE1CB0][ci d:image003.jpg@01CE9342.C7DE1CB0]


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    Time: 05:29:06 AM PST US
    Subject: Brodhead photos
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Posted a selection of photos from Brodhead, on the Pietenpol Facebook page (for those who didn't make it). I believe the link will work even if you don't have a Facebook account. http://on.fb.me/1431eJu BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406139#406139


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    Time: 05:37:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tilted cabanes
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    It looks like it may be a little tricky putting the six prop bolts through the four hole in the prop flange. Maybe those zig-zaggy bolts would work. Just thinking out loud. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406141#406141


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    Time: 05:41:56 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
    Subject: Brodhead photos
    Great. Thanks. I was hoping to get there to take a close look at a Ford installation but did not make it. Is there someone with a Ford engine installation near Southern Ontario? Or I suppose could fly a little further to see one. I will be in Minneapolis later this month if there is one in that area. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: August 7, 2013 8:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead photos --> <billspiet@sympatico.ca> Posted a selection of photos from Brodhead, on the Pietenpol Facebook page (for those who didn't make it). I believe the link will work even if you don't have a Facebook account. http://on.fb.me/1431eJu BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406139#406139


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    Time: 05:43:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options?
    From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com>
    Thanks all. Sounds like I need to oil them more than I have. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406142#406142


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    Time: 06:28:11 AM PST US
    Subject: cables, wires, tubes, cords, instruments, etc
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    Hello; a little question I am in the process of wiring the engine (A-65) with the instruments and controls; now, there is something special to take in account to do this job? just this. thank you. -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406145#406145


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    Time: 06:53:20 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: finger strainer problem
    Hey Bob, I remember a similar problem getting my strainer(s) to screw nicely into the aluminum weld-on fitting. Assuming you have the matching sizes. I forced one, NOT the way to go because the brass just rethreads the aluminum making it worthless when you need to remove it. I bought the correct size national pipe thread tap and lightly cleaned out the aluminum bushing threads. I also needed to do this because the finger strainer didn't want to go far enough in. It stuck out way too much and was ugly. Also, ck the brass threads for nicks and dings which could be making things harder. Ck for proper size first though. Remember NOT to use pipe tape. Douwe


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    Time: 07:27:04 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Brodhead photos
    Bob, Don't forget Chris Tracy's excellent website http://www.westcoastpiet.com which has all manner of excellent photos from many, many Pietenpols, Ford powered and otherwise. Dan On 08/07/2013 07:41 AM, Robert Gow wrote: > > Great. Thanks. I was hoping to get there to take a close look at a Ford > installation but did not make it. Is there someone with a Ford engine > installation near Southern Ontario? Or I suppose could fly a little > further to see one. I will be in Minneapolis later this month if there > is one in that area. > > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Church > Sent: August 7, 2013 8:29 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead photos > > --> <billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Posted a selection of photos from Brodhead, on the Pietenpol Facebook page > (for those who didn't make it). I believe the link will work even if you > don't have a Facebook account. > http://on.fb.me/1431eJu > > BC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406139#406139 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:59:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tilted cabanes
    From: "BYD" <billsayre@ymail.com>
    Here's the same ship from my files. and one with a Buick V8 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406153#406153 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_buick_v8_437.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_two_conts_160.jpg


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    Time: 08:01:13 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
    Subject: Brodhead photos
    Thanks. I'll get a look there. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum [mailto:yocum137@gmail.com] Sent: August 7, 2013 10:27 AM Cc: Robert Gow Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead photos Bob, Don't forget Chris Tracy's excellent website http://www.westcoastpiet.com which has all manner of excellent photos from many, many Pietenpols, Ford powered and otherwise. Dan On 08/07/2013 07:41 AM, Robert Gow wrote: > --> <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca> > > Great. Thanks. I was hoping to get there to take a close look at a > Ford installation but did not make it. Is there someone with a Ford engine > installation near Southern Ontario? Or I suppose could fly a little > further to see one. I will be in Minneapolis later this month if there > is one in that area. > > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Church > Sent: August 7, 2013 8:29 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead photos > > --> <billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Posted a selection of photos from Brodhead, on the Pietenpol Facebook > page (for those who didn't make it). I believe the link will work > even if you don't have a Facebook account. > http://on.fb.me/1431eJu > > BC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406139#406139 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:04:25 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tilted cabanes
    With 220# static thrust it should fly, I think. It might even spin up farther when it's moving through the air. I also think that those big paddles out at the ends are producing way more drag than they are generating thrust and angular momentum, especially at the increased airspeed that they're traveling at compared to the inner portion of the blade. I think you'll get your RPM back up and produce more thrust if you recarve the blade with a shorter cord and a thinner profile out near the ends which I'm sure you can do and retain the antique look you're going for. I would never suggest you should stick a prop on your plane that looks like the one on Aberle's Phantom biplane (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KTV8PiUG21I/UUcg9a41mpI/AAAAAAAAAQE/8lD77BrI3iE/s1600/100_1470.JPG), but there's a reason it looks like that - fat from the center to the middle, and thin and narrow at the tips. Of course, this is all TLAR engineering from your friendly neighborhood physicist who does NOT hold a degree in aerospace engineering. Your mileage may vary. Past results to not guarantee future gains. Take medicine with food. Don't go in the water for 30 minutes after eating. Look both ways before crossing the road. The opinions contained herein have not been tested for accuracy by the FDA, DEA, DOE, DOD, NASA, or the NSA. Good luck and good night. On 08/07/2013 06:09 AM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote: > Hey, ya know, I got to thinking after studying that Bleriot replica at > Brodhead...... That thing has a huge prop, 50HP and only turns 1200 > RPM. Why won't mine fly with the 4-blader? I have at least 50 HP and > 1600 rpm? I got half a mind to try it after all......next trip up north. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> > To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 7:51 pm > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes > > > Dan Helsper - There's hope! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>] On Behalf Of Bill Church > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:16 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes > > --> <billspiet@sympatico.ca <mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca>> > > Just saw this on the Facebook page for the UK Pietenpol Club. The photo is > from 1967, and depicts the Piet that was built with two A-65 engines, in a > stacked configuration. Can't for the life of me figure out how that could > have been an idea worth pursuing. > Regardless, check out the cabane struts. Might be the first Piet ever built > with the cabane struts tilted forwards. > BC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406058#406058 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/twopiet_148.jpg > > > > > > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > >


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    Time: 09:51:31 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Dan Yokum's Pietenpol
    I never noticed that Dan's Pietenpol has lighted 'EXPERIMENTAL' lettering. Gary Boothe NX308MB


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    Time: 10:14:41 AM PST US
    From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: AN867-3 and finger strainer
    Had the same problem. Harbor Fright sells a tap and die set (3 taps and dies) for about $ 6 that will do the job quickly and cheaply. Couldn't get the strainer in but about 2 threads. Found out after I welded the flange to the tank. Good part, tank held the flange securely while I tapped it out. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: bdewenter Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN867-3 and finger strainer So I bought a couple AN867-3 and one finger strainer The brass finger strainer wont thread into the aluminum AN867-3 (by hand). Am I just not being rough enough with these two items ? >From the web site: Finger strainers are strainers for fuel tank outlets. Standard size features a brass fitting with 3/8" male pipe thread which fits AN867-3 welding flange, and 1/4" female pipe thread for valve or fuel line fitting. Screen is 16 mesh brass -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406060#406060


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    Time: 10:15:50 AM PST US
    From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: finger strainer problem
    Why not use pipe tape? Not questioning you, just want to know. Dennis From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 8:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: finger strainer problem Hey Bob, I remember a similar problem getting my strainer(s) to screw nicely into the aluminum weld-on fitting. Assuming you have the matching sizes I forced one, NOT the way to go because the brass just rethreads the aluminum making it worthless when you need to remove it. I bought the correct size national pipe thread tap and lightly cleaned out the aluminum bushing threads. I also needed to do this because the finger strainer didn=99t want to go far enough in. It stuck out way too much and was ugly. Also, ck the brass threads for nicks and dings which could be making things harder. Ck for proper size first though. Remember NOT to use pipe tape. Douwe


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    Time: 10:32:49 AM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: To LSA or not to LSA
    UNCLASSIFIED Is there any need or advantage to reregister my Piet as an LSA? or is it E-LSA? Or can I simply fly it as an LSA since GW is under 1320#? Blue Skies, Steve D. UNCLASSIFIED


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    Time: 11:28:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    As long as the gross weight of the plane is less than 1230 lbs you can fly it as a light sport. LSA designation is for the factory built plane and the E-LSA would be a kit or plans built Light sport. Your airplane is better kept in the experimental category. Fewer restrictions and will holder more value if you decide to sell it. I have been flying mine for about six years without a medical. All you need is a current drivers license. Don't change a thing. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406172#406172


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    Time: 11:30:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Opps! 1320 lbs. I keep doing that. Nothing needs to change for you to use your Light Sport privileges. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406173#406173


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    Time: 11:33:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Since it doesn't do anything a LSA can't, there's no overriding reason to register one over the other. An example I can think of is if you put lights in it, may as well register it normally so it could be flown at night by a private or above. Yes, you can exercise LSA in any plane as long as it meets the requirement of light sport, it doesn't have to be registered light sport. It's easier to register a plane light sport is why that exists. In your case, it doesn't really matter in any way that I can think of. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406174#406174


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    Time: 11:36:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Scott, You sound better versed than I. Just for clarification, am I right in thinking you can't fly a light sport registered plane at night, ever? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406176#406176


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    Time: 11:37:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Scott, You sound better versed than I. Just for clarification, am I right in thinking you can't fly a light sport registered plane at night, ever? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406177#406177


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    Time: 11:51:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    I believe that to be correct. I'm sure others could better explain. I don't like night flying and don't have lights on my plane, so I haven't even looked into that. I fly because I like the view from above and night flying doesn't give me the same warm fuzzy feeling. Besides I can go outside and look up at the stars at night if I want to see lights. Without paying for fuel. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406180#406180


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    Time: 12:00:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Latex Paint Forum
    From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
    Does anyone have a video of the Latex paint forum they could post on YouTube? -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406182#406182


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    Time: 12:11:09 PM PST US
    From: Bkemike <bkemike@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    Flying on a sunlit morning, dew blown off the wings, seeing the earth through the eyes of God; that's the poetry of life. Flying at night is merely transportation, which is not, of course, the reason we love this little fabric-covered bird. Tapped on an iPad. On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:51 AM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote: > > I believe that to be correct. I'm sure others could better explain. I don't like night flying and don't have lights on my plane, so I haven't even looked into that. I fly because I like the view from above and night flying doesn't give me the same warm fuzzy feeling. Besides I can go outside and look up at the stars at night if I want to see lights. Without paying for fuel. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406180#406180 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:17:09 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    UNCLASSIFIED I thought that the night restriction was on the Sport Pilot, not the plane. Some LSAs have lights, A recreational or private pilot an fly them at night. I think.. "To be is to do" - Socrates "To do is to be" - Sartre "Do Be Do Be Do" - Sinatra" Steve D. UNCLASSIFIED


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    Time: 12:28:42 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    UNCLASSIFIED Thanks for the answers. I remember some big push for people to register their planes as E-LSA but could not remember the reasoning. I have a good friend who is a military flight surgeon. He told me if I ever have a question about getting a class 2 or 3 medical to call him BEFORE going to the AME. he will check me out and if I am not going to pass, I will simply start excercising my privaleges as a Sport Pilot. If you fail a medical flight exam you can't be a sport pilot. If you have never failed one, you can just begin excercising your privilages. I have hopes of getting my CFI (and Instrument and commercial on the way). If I lose my physical i will be sunk. But I can Excercise my privilages as a Sport pilot instructor if I have not failed a physical. Blue Skies, Steve D PS I advise almost all beginning pilots to go Sport Pilot first. Go flying, enjoy yourself, If you need a 4 seater get a private ticket. UNCLASSIFIED


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    Time: 12:34:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    >From the EAA page on Sport Pilot Rule Synopsis: May be operated at night if the aircraft is equipped per FAR 91.205, if such operations are allowed by the aircraft's operating limitations and the pilot holds at least a Private Pilot certificate and a minimum of a third-class medical. Here's the link to the full page: http://www.sportpilot.org/learn/final_rule_synopsis.html -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406186#406186


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    Time: 12:37:32 PM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Flying at night
    I beg to differ. One of my most memorable flights was during the training phase for my Private certificate. We took off just at dusk for a one-hour flight. There was a gathering thunderstorm off to the left which kept pace with us the entire flight. The storm blocked the moonlight so it was very dark - very quickly. The remainder of the sky was severe clear with no turbulence and very little wind. Almost immediately after takeoff the instrument panel lights went out so I went digging for my miniature flashlight but soon discovered that I did not need it as the lightning flashes illuminated the panel pretty well. I could see the lights at my destination for the entire trip and they looked so close that I could just reach out and touch them. There was very little sensation of movement which is what you guys are complaining about missing but at that moment it would have seemed out of place. We beat the storm with 15 minutes to spare, had the plane hangared, and were back in the FBO drinking coffee before the first drops of rain fell. To this day I just have to close my eyes and I am back in that little Cessna 152 reliving it all again. That is the difference between flying somewhere or just "flying" I think. Tom Stinemetze N328X McPherson, KS. >>> Bkemike <bkemike@gmail.com> 8/7/2013 2:10 PM >>> Flying on a sunlit morning, dew blown off the wings, seeing the earth through the eyes of God; that's the poetry of life. Flying at night is merely transportation, which is not, of course, the reason we love this little fabric-covered bird. Tapped on an iPad. On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:51 AM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote: > > I believe that to be correct. I'm sure others could better explain. I don't like night flying and don't have lights on my plane, so I haven't even looked into that. I fly because I like the view from above and night flying doesn't give me the same warm fuzzy feeling. Besides I can go outside and look up at the stars at night if I want to see lights. Without paying for fuel. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406180#406180 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:39:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    I can still get a medical but don't need one. I'd rather buy some avgas than give my money to some doctor so he can buy gas for his Bonanza. I think the E-LSA was pushed for re licensing all the heavy Ultra-lite planes and making them legal. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406187#406187


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    Time: 12:57:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flying at night
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Both fun. I do particularly enjoy flying around during sunrise. I've done it twice light civil and bunches in jets (Navy and commercial). I'd love to experience it open cockpit. Night flight is generally calmer. Enough so that I would frequently trim the plane up and let it land itself (as the flare is optional is heavily built Navy planes). I'd see how far out I could let go and see if it would maintain all the way through touchdown (the S3 gets a big nose down pitch as it hits ground effect, only did that once!). On cross countries at night in a clamshell canopy plane, I'd have the student turn off ALL the lights (outside and in) and see a moonless starlit sky from a new perspective. Full moon nights where you don't really need lights (from a practical point of view) are like dusk or sunrise, but it lasts forever and ever... Seen TONS of fantastic firework displays flying around, those are pretty cool and something I'd love to see from a Piet. The Vegas strip at night (one visual approach has you turning right over the Seattle needlepoint looking thingy) is awesome! The LA basin, DFW metroplex, NYC all much better looking at night. The grand canyon... not so much! The entire south east after Katrina, again, big black hole. Up and down a rocky coastal expanse with lots of bio luminism at night, WOW. Spotting streaking dolphins or submarines because of bio luminism... again, wow. Right in the middle of the day, bouncing around, crazy hot, hazy enough that the view is far from spectacular, some of those flights are merely transportation. So like most things, it just depends. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406189#406189


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    Time: 01:05:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Hehe, "heavy ultra light...". Is that like a heavy RJ? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406190#406190


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    Time: 01:27:20 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    UNCLASSIFIED Look out Scott, them's fighten words. I ain't no doctor but I do own a fork tailed doctor killer. Steve D 1948 Straight 35 Bonanza On 08/07/13, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > I can still get a medical but don't need one. I'd rather buy some avgas than give my money to some doctor so he can buy gas for his Bonanza. I think the E-LSA was pushed for re licensing all the heavy Ultra-lite planes and making them legal. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406187#406187 > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED


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    Time: 01:32:31 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: naming convention
    Steve wrote: [UNCLASSIFIED] >Steve's Piet=2C Formerly known as John and George's Piet. Yeah=2C right... and Paul's=2C Ringo's=2C and now Yoko's too. This naming convention business is for the birds. There is (and always be) "the Rudolp h Piet"=2C "the Last Original"=2C and a host of others with permanent names ... no matter who owns and flies them. On the other hand=2C there are vari ous ones now owned and being flown that were built by people who have been forgotten or who were never widely known. I suppose we could do like the military guys and just give them all Bureau numbers=2C like "153297". Those would be stenciled onto the fuselage for e ver and ever. On a related (unrelated?) line=2C I recently renewed the registration on Sc out (there's a name for you!) and in going through the information on the r egistration=2C I see that it shows "Cont Motor A&C65 series". While that i s technically correct (the A75 that now powers it is in that Continental se ries)=2C I'm wondering what happens when one re-engines with something diff erent? There is no way that I can see to change that information on an FAA registration form... only owner's name=2C address=2C and contact info. An other example=2C my ex hangar-mate's Druine Turbulent has a VW on it=2C but the registration shows a Menasco. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power


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    Time: 01:35:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    I think Cirrus is the NEW doctor killer. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406193#406193


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    Time: 03:56:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: To LSA or not to LSA
    From: airlion2@gmail.com
    I though T that the gross wt limitation was 1320 lbs. Gardiner Sent from my iPad On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:28 PM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote: > > As long as the gross weight of the plane is less than 1230 lbs you can fly it as a light sport. LSA designation is for the factory built plane and the E-LSA would be a kit or plans built Light sport. Your airplane is better kept in the experimental category. Fewer restrictions and will holder more value if you decide to sell it. I have been flying mine for about six years without a medical. All you need is a current drivers license. Don't change a thing. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406172#406172 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:50:30 PM PST US
    From: gliderx5@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Latex Paint Forum
    I'm not aware of anyone videoing the presentation, but I will get the updated slides and associated text posted in the next week or two. If anyone did video it that would be great. Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:00:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Latex Paint Forum Does anyone have a video of the Latex paint forum they could post on YouTube? -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406182#406182




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