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1. 04:09 AM - Re: Tilted cabanes (danhelsper@aol.com)
2. 04:21 AM - Re: Speed- was; Moving the wing back (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 04:50 AM - Dan's Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
4. 05:29 AM - Brodhead photos (Bill Church)
5. 05:37 AM - Re: Tilted cabanes (AircamperN11MS)
6. 05:41 AM - Re: Brodhead photos (Robert Gow)
7. 05:43 AM - Re: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? (bdewenter)
8. 06:28 AM - cables, wires, tubes, cords, instruments, etc (giacummo)
9. 06:53 AM - finger strainer problem (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 07:27 AM - Re: Brodhead photos (Dan Yocum)
11. 07:59 AM - Re: Tilted cabanes (BYD)
12. 08:01 AM - Re: Brodhead photos (Robert Gow)
13. 08:04 AM - Re: Tilted cabanes (Dan Yocum)
14. 09:51 AM - Dan Yokum's Pietenpol (Gary Boothe)
15. 10:14 AM - Re: AN867-3 and finger strainer (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
16. 10:15 AM - Re: finger strainer problem (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
17. 10:32 AM - To LSA or not to LSA (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
18. 11:28 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (AircamperN11MS)
19. 11:30 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (AircamperN11MS)
20. 11:33 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (tools)
21. 11:33 AM - Re: finger strainer problem (Steve Ruse)
22. 11:36 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (tools)
23. 11:37 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (tools)
24. 11:51 AM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (AircamperN11MS)
25. 12:00 PM - Re: Latex Paint Forum (womenfly2)
26. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: To LSA or not to LSA (Bkemike)
27. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: To LSA or not to LSA (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
28. 12:28 PM - Re: Re: To LSA or not to LSA (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
29. 12:34 PM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (tkreiner)
30. 12:37 PM - Flying at night (TOM STINEMETZE)
31. 12:39 PM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (AircamperN11MS)
32. 12:57 PM - Re: Flying at night (tools)
33. 01:05 PM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (tools)
34. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: To LSA or not to LSA (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
35. 01:32 PM - naming convention (Oscar Zuniga)
36. 01:35 PM - Re: To LSA or not to LSA (AircamperN11MS)
37. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: To LSA or not to LSA (airlion2@gmail.com)
38. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Latex Paint Forum (gliderx5@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | Re: Tilted cabanes |
Hey, ya know, I got to thinking after studying that Bleriot replica at Brod
head...... That thing has a huge prop, 50HP and only turns 1200 RPM. Why
won't mine fly with the 4-blader? I have at least 50 HP and 1600 rpm? I got
half a mind to try it after all......next trip up north.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 7:51 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes
Dan Helsper - There's hope!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes
--> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Just saw this on the Facebook page for the UK Pietenpol Club. The photo is
from 1967, and depicts the Piet that was built with two A-65 engines, in a
stacked configuration. Can't for the life of me figure out how that could
have been an idea worth pursuing.
Regardless, check out the cabane struts. Might be the first Piet ever buil
t
with the cabane struts tilted forwards.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Speed- was; Moving the wing back |
Speaking of speed, at Brodhead I got several comments from the boys I flew
in with (Jack Phillips and Gene Rambo) how they couldn't believe how fast I
was going on the way over there from Poplar Grove.....76 MPH. Not bad for
a model A and a huge radiator in the way. Don't really know what my secret
is, although I suppose I could attribute it all to my (expert) prop-carving
abilities. But seriously, after sitting through some airfoil forums at OSH
I surmised that it just might have something to do with the fact that I su
pported the aft edge-top of the wing LE ply so that it couldn't (didn't) si
nk-down with the fabric shrinking. What do y'all think?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 6:56 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Moving the wing back
I forgot about that! I did vastly improve my airspeed by making a new face
card for the indicator, though...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scudrun
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Moving the wing back
Gary tsk tsk, you obviously don't know it's way easier to get that extra
15mph by turning that little screw inside the airspeed indicator!
[Laughing]
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Here's some photos of Dan Yocum in his Pietenpol at Brodhead 2012 sharing i
t with others and having a great time and looking pretty cool too.
Mike C.
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Posted a selection of photos from Brodhead, on the Pietenpol Facebook page (for
those who didn't make it). I believe the link will work even if you don't have
a Facebook account.
http://on.fb.me/1431eJu
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Tilted cabanes |
It looks like it may be a little tricky putting the six prop bolts through the
four hole in the prop flange. Maybe those zig-zaggy bolts would work. Just thinking
out loud.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Great. Thanks. I was hoping to get there to take a close look at a Ford
installation but did not make it. Is there someone with a Ford engine
installation near Southern Ontario? Or I suppose could fly a little
further to see one. I will be in Minneapolis later this month if there
is one in that area.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: August 7, 2013 8:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead photos
--> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Posted a selection of photos from Brodhead, on the Pietenpol Facebook page
(for those who didn't make it). I believe the link will work even if you
don't have a Facebook account.
http://on.fb.me/1431eJu
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Pnuemartic brad nailer malfunction - repair options? |
Thanks all. Sounds like I need to oil them more than I have.
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | cables, wires, tubes, cords, instruments, etc |
Hello; a little question
I am in the process of wiring the engine (A-65) with the instruments and controls;
now, there is something special to take in account to do this job?
just this. thank you.
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | finger strainer problem |
Hey Bob,
I remember a similar problem getting my strainer(s) to screw nicely into the
aluminum weld-on fitting. Assuming you have the matching sizes.
I forced one, NOT the way to go because the brass just rethreads the
aluminum making it worthless when you need to remove it. I bought the
correct size national pipe thread tap and lightly cleaned out the aluminum
bushing threads. I also needed to do this because the finger strainer
didn't want to go far enough in. It stuck out way too much and was ugly.
Also, ck the brass threads for nicks and dings which could be making things
harder.
Ck for proper size first though.
Remember NOT to use pipe tape.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead photos |
Bob,
Don't forget Chris Tracy's excellent website
http://www.westcoastpiet.com which has all manner of excellent photos
from many, many Pietenpols, Ford powered and otherwise.
Dan
On 08/07/2013 07:41 AM, Robert Gow wrote:
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> Great. Thanks. I was hoping to get there to take a close look at a Ford
> installation but did not make it. Is there someone with a Ford engine
> installation near Southern Ontario? Or I suppose could fly a little
> further to see one. I will be in Minneapolis later this month if there
> is one in that area.
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>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Church
> Sent: August 7, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead photos
>
> --> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Posted a selection of photos from Brodhead, on the Pietenpol Facebook page
> (for those who didn't make it). I believe the link will work even if you
> don't have a Facebook account.
> http://on.fb.me/1431eJu
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| Subject: | Re: Tilted cabanes |
Here's the same ship from my files.
and one with a Buick V8
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Thanks. I'll get a look there.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum [mailto:yocum137@gmail.com]
Sent: August 7, 2013 10:27 AM
Cc: Robert Gow
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead photos
Bob,
Don't forget Chris Tracy's excellent website http://www.westcoastpiet.com
which has all manner of excellent photos from many, many Pietenpols, Ford
powered and otherwise.
Dan
On 08/07/2013 07:41 AM, Robert Gow wrote:
> --> <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
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> Great. Thanks. I was hoping to get there to take a close look at a
> Ford installation but did not make it. Is there someone with a Ford
engine
> installation near Southern Ontario? Or I suppose could fly a little
> further to see one. I will be in Minneapolis later this month if there
> is one in that area.
>
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Church
> Sent: August 7, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead photos
>
> --> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Posted a selection of photos from Brodhead, on the Pietenpol Facebook
> page (for those who didn't make it). I believe the link will work
> even if you don't have a Facebook account.
> http://on.fb.me/1431eJu
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| Subject: | Re: Tilted cabanes |
With 220# static thrust it should fly, I think. It might even spin up
farther when it's moving through the air.
I also think that those big paddles out at the ends are producing way
more drag than they are generating thrust and angular momentum,
especially at the increased airspeed that they're traveling at compared
to the inner portion of the blade. I think you'll get your RPM back up
and produce more thrust if you recarve the blade with a shorter cord and
a thinner profile out near the ends which I'm sure you can do and retain
the antique look you're going for. I would never suggest you should
stick a prop on your plane that looks like the one on Aberle's Phantom
biplane
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KTV8PiUG21I/UUcg9a41mpI/AAAAAAAAAQE/8lD77BrI3iE/s1600/100_1470.JPG),
but there's a reason it looks like that - fat from the center to the
middle, and thin and narrow at the tips.
Of course, this is all TLAR engineering from your friendly neighborhood
physicist who does NOT hold a degree in aerospace engineering. Your
mileage may vary. Past results to not guarantee future gains. Take
medicine with food. Don't go in the water for 30 minutes after eating.
Look both ways before crossing the road. The opinions contained herein
have not been tested for accuracy by the FDA, DEA, DOE, DOD, NASA, or
the NSA. Good luck and good night.
On 08/07/2013 06:09 AM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote:
> Hey, ya know, I got to thinking after studying that Bleriot replica at
> Brodhead...... That thing has a huge prop, 50HP and only turns 1200
> RPM. Why won't mine fly with the 4-blader? I have at least 50 HP and
> 1600 rpm? I got half a mind to try it after all......next trip up north.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 7:51 pm
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes
>
>
> Dan Helsper - There's hope!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>] On Behalf Of Bill Church
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:16 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tilted cabanes
>
> --> <billspiet@sympatico.ca <mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca>>
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> Just saw this on the Facebook page for the UK Pietenpol Club. The photo is
> from 1967, and depicts the Piet that was built with two A-65 engines, in a
> stacked configuration. Can't for the life of me figure out how that could
> have been an idea worth pursuing.
> Regardless, check out the cabane struts. Might be the first Piet ever built
> with the cabane struts tilted forwards.
> BC
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| Subject: | Dan Yokum's Pietenpol |
I never noticed that Dan's Pietenpol has lighted 'EXPERIMENTAL' lettering.
Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: AN867-3 and finger strainer |
Had the same problem. Harbor Fright sells a tap and die set (3 taps and
dies) for about $ 6 that will do the job quickly and cheaply. Couldn't get
the strainer in but about 2 threads. Found out after I welded the flange to
the tank. Good part, tank held the flange securely while I tapped it out.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: bdewenter
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN867-3 and finger strainer
So I bought a couple AN867-3 and one finger strainer The brass finger
strainer wont thread into the aluminum AN867-3 (by hand).
Am I just not being rough enough with these two items ?
>From the web site:
Finger strainers are strainers for fuel tank outlets. Standard size features
a brass fitting with 3/8" male pipe thread which fits AN867-3 welding
flange, and 1/4" female pipe thread for valve or fuel line fitting. Screen
is 16 mesh brass
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: finger strainer problem |
Why not use pipe tape? Not questioning you, just want to know.
Dennis
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 8:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: finger strainer problem
Hey Bob,
I remember a similar problem getting my strainer(s) to screw nicely into
the aluminum weld-on fitting. Assuming you have the matching
sizes
I forced one, NOT the way to go because the brass just rethreads the
aluminum making it worthless when you need to remove it. I bought the
correct size national pipe thread tap and lightly cleaned out the
aluminum bushing threads. I also needed to do this because the finger
strainer didn=99t want to go far enough in. It stuck out way too
much and was ugly.
Also, ck the brass threads for nicks and dings which could be making
things harder.
Ck for proper size first though.
Remember NOT to use pipe tape.
Douwe
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| Subject: | To LSA or not to LSA |
UNCLASSIFIED
Is there any need or advantage to reregister my Piet as an LSA? or is it E-LSA?
Or can I simply fly it as an LSA since GW is under 1320#?
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: To LSA or not to LSA |
As long as the gross weight of the plane is less than 1230 lbs you can fly it as
a light sport. LSA designation is for the factory built plane and the E-LSA
would be a kit or plans built Light sport. Your airplane is better kept in the
experimental category. Fewer restrictions and will holder more value if you
decide to sell it. I have been flying mine for about six years without a medical.
All you need is a current drivers license. Don't change a thing.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: To LSA or not to LSA |
Opps! 1320 lbs. I keep doing that. Nothing needs to change for you to use your
Light Sport privileges.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: To LSA or not to LSA |
Since it doesn't do anything a LSA can't, there's no overriding reason to register
one over the other.
An example I can think of is if you put lights in it, may as well register it normally
so it could be flown at night by a private or above.
Yes, you can exercise LSA in any plane as long as it meets the requirement of light
sport, it doesn't have to be registered light sport. It's easier to register
a plane light sport is why that exists. In your case, it doesn't really
matter in any way that I can think of.
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| Subject: | Re: finger strainer problem |
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Scott,
You sound better versed than I. Just for clarification, am I right in thinking
you can't fly a light sport registered plane at night, ever?
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Scott,
You sound better versed than I. Just for clarification, am I right in thinking
you can't fly a light sport registered plane at night, ever?
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I believe that to be correct. I'm sure others could better explain. I don't like
night flying and don't have lights on my plane, so I haven't even looked into
that. I fly because I like the view from above and night flying doesn't give
me the same warm fuzzy feeling. Besides I can go outside and look up at the
stars at night if I want to see lights. Without paying for fuel.
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Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Does anyone have a video of the Latex paint forum they could post on YouTube?
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Flying on a sunlit morning, dew blown off the wings, seeing the earth through the
eyes of God; that's the poetry of life. Flying at night is merely transportation,
which is not, of course, the reason we love this little fabric-covered
bird.
Tapped on an iPad.
On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:51 AM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
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> I believe that to be correct. I'm sure others could better explain. I don't
like night flying and don't have lights on my plane, so I haven't even looked
into that. I fly because I like the view from above and night flying doesn't
give me the same warm fuzzy feeling. Besides I can go outside and look up at
the stars at night if I want to see lights. Without paying for fuel.
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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UNCLASSIFIED
I thought that the night restriction was on the Sport Pilot, not the plane. Some
LSAs have lights, A recreational or private pilot an fly them at night. I think..
"To be is to do" - Socrates
"To do is to be" - Sartre
"Do Be Do Be Do" - Sinatra"
Steve D.
UNCLASSIFIED
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Thanks for the answers. I remember some big push for people to register their
planes as E-LSA but could not remember the reasoning.
I have a good friend who is a military flight surgeon. He told me if I ever have
a question about getting a class 2 or 3 medical to call him BEFORE going to
the AME. he will check me out and if I am not going to pass, I will simply start
excercising my privaleges as a Sport Pilot.
If you fail a medical flight exam you can't be a sport pilot. If you have never
failed one, you can just begin excercising your privilages.
I have hopes of getting my CFI (and Instrument and commercial on the way). If I
lose my physical i will be sunk. But I can Excercise my privilages as a Sport
pilot instructor if I have not failed a physical.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
PS I advise almost all beginning pilots to go Sport Pilot first. Go flying, enjoy
yourself, If you need a 4 seater get a private ticket.
UNCLASSIFIED
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>From the EAA page on Sport Pilot Rule Synopsis:
May be operated at night if the aircraft is equipped per FAR 91.205, if such operations
are allowed by the aircraft's operating limitations and the pilot holds
at least a Private Pilot certificate and a minimum of a third-class medical.
Here's the link to the full page:
http://www.sportpilot.org/learn/final_rule_synopsis.html
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I beg to differ. One of my most memorable flights was during the training phase
for my Private certificate.
We took off just at dusk for a one-hour flight. There was a gathering thunderstorm
off to the left which kept pace with us the entire flight. The storm blocked
the moonlight so it was very dark - very quickly. The remainder of the sky
was severe clear with no turbulence and very little wind. Almost immediately
after takeoff the instrument panel lights went out so I went digging for my
miniature flashlight but soon discovered that I did not need it as the lightning
flashes illuminated the panel pretty well. I could see the lights at my destination
for the entire trip and they looked so close that I could just reach
out and touch them. There was very little sensation of movement which is what
you guys are complaining about missing but at that moment it would have seemed
out of place.
We beat the storm with 15 minutes to spare, had the plane hangared, and were back
in the FBO drinking coffee before the first drops of rain fell. To this day
I just have to close my eyes and I am back in that little Cessna 152 reliving
it all again.
That is the difference between flying somewhere or just "flying" I think.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
McPherson, KS.
>>> Bkemike <bkemike@gmail.com> 8/7/2013 2:10 PM >>>
Flying on a sunlit morning, dew blown off the wings, seeing the earth through the
eyes of God; that's the poetry of life. Flying at night is merely transportation,
which is not, of course, the reason we love this little fabric-covered
bird.
Tapped on an iPad.
On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:51 AM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
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> I believe that to be correct. I'm sure others could better explain. I don't
like night flying and don't have lights on my plane, so I haven't even looked
into that. I fly because I like the view from above and night flying doesn't
give me the same warm fuzzy feeling. Besides I can go outside and look up at
the stars at night if I want to see lights. Without paying for fuel.
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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I can still get a medical but don't need one. I'd rather buy some avgas than give
my money to some doctor so he can buy gas for his Bonanza. I think the E-LSA
was pushed for re licensing all the heavy Ultra-lite planes and making them
legal.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Flying at night |
Both fun. I do particularly enjoy flying around during sunrise. I've done it
twice light civil and bunches in jets (Navy and commercial). I'd love to experience
it open cockpit.
Night flight is generally calmer. Enough so that I would frequently trim the plane
up and let it land itself (as the flare is optional is heavily built Navy
planes). I'd see how far out I could let go and see if it would maintain all
the way through touchdown (the S3 gets a big nose down pitch as it hits ground
effect, only did that once!).
On cross countries at night in a clamshell canopy plane, I'd have the student turn
off ALL the lights (outside and in) and see a moonless starlit sky from a
new perspective.
Full moon nights where you don't really need lights (from a practical point of
view) are like dusk or sunrise, but it lasts forever and ever...
Seen TONS of fantastic firework displays flying around, those are pretty cool and
something I'd love to see from a Piet. The Vegas strip at night (one visual
approach has you turning right over the Seattle needlepoint looking thingy)
is awesome! The LA basin, DFW metroplex, NYC all much better looking at night.
The grand canyon... not so much! The entire south east after Katrina, again,
big black hole. Up and down a rocky coastal expanse with lots of bio luminism
at night, WOW. Spotting streaking dolphins or submarines because of bio luminism...
again, wow.
Right in the middle of the day, bouncing around, crazy hot, hazy enough that the
view is far from spectacular, some of those flights are merely transportation.
So like most things, it just depends.
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Hehe, "heavy ultra light...". Is that like a heavy RJ?
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UNCLASSIFIED
Look out Scott, them's fighten words. I ain't no doctor but I do own a fork tailed
doctor killer.
Steve D
1948 Straight 35 Bonanza
On 08/07/13, AircamperN11MS wrote:
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> I can still get a medical but don't need one. I'd rather buy some avgas than
give my money to some doctor so he can buy gas for his Bonanza. I think the E-LSA
was pushed for re licensing all the heavy Ultra-lite planes and making them
legal.
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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Steve wrote:
[UNCLASSIFIED]
>Steve's Piet=2C Formerly known as John and George's Piet.
Yeah=2C right... and Paul's=2C Ringo's=2C and now Yoko's too. This naming
convention business is for the birds. There is (and always be) "the Rudolp
h Piet"=2C "the Last Original"=2C and a host of others with permanent names
... no matter who owns and flies them. On the other hand=2C there are vari
ous ones now owned and being flown that were built by people who have been
forgotten or who were never widely known.
I suppose we could do like the military guys and just give them all Bureau
numbers=2C like "153297". Those would be stenciled onto the fuselage for e
ver and ever.
On a related (unrelated?) line=2C I recently renewed the registration on Sc
out (there's a name for you!) and in going through the information on the r
egistration=2C I see that it shows "Cont Motor A&C65 series". While that i
s technically correct (the A75 that now powers it is in that Continental se
ries)=2C I'm wondering what happens when one re-engines with something diff
erent? There is no way that I can see to change that information on an FAA
registration form... only owner's name=2C address=2C and contact info. An
other example=2C my ex hangar-mate's Druine Turbulent has a VW on it=2C but
the registration shows a Menasco.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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I think Cirrus is the NEW doctor killer.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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I though
T that the gross wt limitation was 1320 lbs. Gardiner
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On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:28 PM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
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as a light sport. LSA designation is for the factory built plane and the E-LSA
would be a kit or plans built Light sport. Your airplane is better kept in
the experimental category. Fewer restrictions and will holder more value if
you decide to sell it. I have been flying mine for about six years without a
medical. All you need is a current drivers license. Don't change a thing.
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Paint Forum |
I'm not aware of anyone videoing the presentation, but I will get the updated slides
and associated text posted in the next week or two. If anyone did video
it that would be great.
Malcolm
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Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:00:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Latex Paint Forum
Does anyone have a video of the Latex paint forum they could post on YouTube?
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