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1. 03:31 AM - Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help (Don Emch)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Ralph)
3. 05:08 AM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (John Fay)
4. 05:13 AM - Re: pipe tape (Ralph)
5. 05:35 AM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (AircamperN11MS)
6. 05:47 AM - BEAUTIFUL WORK MARIO!! (Douwe Blumberg)
7. 05:47 AM - Dave Aldrich---flying around Chicago/Cleveland (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
8. 06:10 AM - Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help (airlion2@gmail.com)
9. 06:10 AM - Re: BEAUTIFUL WORK MARIO!! (Mario Giacummo)
10. 06:14 AM - Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help (airlion2@gmail.com)
11. 06:20 AM - Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help (Jack Phillips)
12. 06:35 AM - Re: BEAUTIFUL WORK MARIO!! (Gmail)
13. 07:05 AM - Aileron Hinges (Pietflyer1977)
14. 07:05 AM - Re: BEAUTIFUL WORK MARIO!! (Mario Giacummo)
15. 07:19 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (tools)
16. 07:24 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Mario Giacummo)
17. 07:57 AM - Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help (shad bell)
18. 08:01 AM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (BYD)
19. 08:39 AM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (taildrags)
20. 08:44 AM - Re: BEAUTIFUL WORK MARIO!! (Charles Burkholder)
21. 09:26 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Rick Holland)
22. 09:42 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Mario Giacummo)
23. 09:51 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Rick Holland)
24. 09:59 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (tools)
25. 10:14 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Jack)
26. 10:26 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Catdesigns)
27. 10:38 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (tools)
28. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinges (Gary Boothe)
29. 10:45 AM - Spar Trauma (Bkemike)
30. 11:02 AM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Pieti Lowell)
31. 12:39 PM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Michael Weston)
32. 12:45 PM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Michael Weston)
33. 03:16 PM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (bubbleboy)
34. 03:28 PM - Re: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (John Fay)
35. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (John Fay)
36. 05:47 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (danhelsper@aol.com)
37. 06:32 PM - Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help (dgaldrich)
38. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help (Ken Bickers)
39. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Michael McGowan)
40. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Ken Bickers)
41. 08:56 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinges (Ray Krause)
42. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Greg Bacon)
43. 09:51 PM - Re: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (macz@peak.org)
44. 10:25 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinges (Gary Boothe)
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help |
Dave,
The ride from Joliet to the CLE area is a really great one with lots of great airports
along the way. Valparaiso, Stark County, Plymouth, Warsaw, DeKalb County,
Paulding, Van Wert, Fostoria, Seneca County, Norwalk. I think I've been
into almost all of these as NORDO.
Does the airplane have an engine driven electrical system? I think that will determine
if you can operate within the CLE Mode C veil without a transponder.
If it doesn't then you are good to go under the veil. Oftener, Medina, Portage
County are all good. Been through the area south of Cleveland and north of
Akron many many times. I'm just south of Youngstown at York field if you would
need anything or a RON. Dart Field northeast of Erie, PA is a fun stop.
Let me know if I can help any more,
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine |
I think a few years back the Pietenpol newsletter featured
=9CPoplar Piet=9D. The guy had cut down his own trees for
building the airframe and was using a GMC =9CIron Duke=9D
for the power plant.
Ralph in SD
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| Subject: | Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine |
I have added two I forgot--Franklin and Chevy 2.5 L
> Please add to the list any others you know of, or redefine any that I
> have misnamed or are incorrect.
>
> Continental A-65
> A-75
> C-85
> C-90
> O-200
> Twin 65 hp
>
> Lycoming 65 hp
> O-235
>
> Ford Model A
> Model B
> Flat head V-8
> Escort engine
>
Franklin 65 hp (?)
> Funk variation of the Model A
>
> Warner radial (Which one I do not know)
>
> Velie radial
> Rotec radial
> Lambert radial
>
> Buick V-8
> Corvair
> Toyota (I don't remember which one, but there was a pic a few months ago
> of two Piets in New Zealand who were powered by Toyotas)
>
> Geo/Suzuki 2300 cc
>
Chevrolet 2.5 L (Iron Duke engine in Poplar Piet)
> Mitsubishi (soon to be)
>
> (Was there a Continental 50 hp, a Volkswagen, a Lycoming 125 hp GPU,
> or a Kinner?)
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Quite a few years back a fellow had flown his Escort powered Pietenpol
in from back east, I think, with no problems. The next day he was going
to do some demonstration flights and although it fired right up it
wouldn=99t come up to full speed. I watched them remove the carb
on the field and they found a small piece of tape in the carb. It made
a big impression on me, in fact I never use tape on anything related to
any engine operating system.
Ralph in SD
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| Subject: | Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine |
I remember a scout from the north east that had a Continental industrial engine
based on the Model "B"
Joanne Painter has an A-80 Cont in hers.
Has anyone tried the LOM inverted in-line engine? I have always thought it would
look good with that one. Much like a Fairchild 22.
I believe the Warner was a 145HP.
Still thinking,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | BEAUTIFUL WORK MARIO!! |
I just looked at your Pietenpol site Mario and it is going to be a beautiful
airplane!! Congratulations on your progress!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Dave Aldrich---flying around Chicago/Cleveland |
Dave-sounds like a fun trip you've got ahead of you. Many of us who have f
lown the points-East to Brodhead trip and back
just stay outside/underneath the Class B Airspace. I'm located at 4G8, Col
umbia Station Airport in the 1900' ring of Cleveland
Hopkins Airport and I routinely operate with airliners on final above me wi
th no issues at all, never talking with CLE or needing
a transponder. Just stay under the rings and avoid the towers.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help |
Why did you leave it jack? Was it the weather or your foot or both. Weather h
as been terrible all over. gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:55 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote
:
> Dave,
>
> You didn't mention whether or not you will have a GPS. Assuming you do, h
ere is the route that I would program in to get you around Chicago:
>
> I fly from Brodhead to Poplar Grove, Illinois (C77), then go to Swett inte
rsection (which should keep you clear of Aurora's Class D airspace) then to J
oliet (KJOT) After you get to Joliet, you should be clear of Chicago.
>
> Maybe Mike Cuy can chime in with advice for avoiding CLE airspace.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP (which is still in Brodhead - I need to get back up there and fly i
t back home)
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dgaldrich
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:47 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help
>
m>
>
> So here's the deal. I'm ferrying a Dakota Hawk (wood, plans built, tail w
heel, no transponder, sound familiar?) from outside Milwaukee to Maine. The
route from the PA border up to Maine is pretty straight forward but I need s
ome suggestions on coping with Chicago and Cleveland air space. Did I menti
on NO transponder?
>
> Those of you who fly from mid-Ohio to Brodhead have a preferred route sout
h of the ORD Class B and I can't remember what it is. Also, is there an eas
y way past CLE at intermediate VFR altitudes?
>
> Thanks All
>
> Dave Aldrich
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406271#406271
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| Subject: | Re: BEAUTIFUL WORK MARIO!! |
Do you belive it?.. Thank you very much, I am going to do the effort
PD: I think I wrote the above line wrong..
Mario Giacummo
2013/8/9 Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
> I just looked at your Pietenpol site Mario and it is going to be a
> beautiful airplane!! Congratulations on your progress!****
>
> ** **
>
> Douwe****
>
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help |
How is your rv10 coming long? also will you be able to make it toTripple Tre
e in sept. gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:55 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote
:
> Dave,
>
> You didn't mention whether or not you will have a GPS. Assuming you do, h
ere is the route that I would program in to get you around Chicago:
>
> I fly from Brodhead to Poplar Grove, Illinois (C77), then go to Swett inte
rsection (which should keep you clear of Aurora's Class D airspace) then to J
oliet (KJOT) After you get to Joliet, you should be clear of Chicago.
>
> Maybe Mike Cuy can chime in with advice for avoiding CLE airspace.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP (which is still in Brodhead - I need to get back up there and fly i
t back home)
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dgaldrich
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:47 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help
>
m>
>
> So here's the deal. I'm ferrying a Dakota Hawk (wood, plans built, tail w
heel, no transponder, sound familiar?) from outside Milwaukee to Maine. The
route from the PA border up to Maine is pretty straight forward but I need s
ome suggestions on coping with Chicago and Cleveland air space. Did I menti
on NO transponder?
>
> Those of you who fly from mid-Ohio to Brodhead have a preferred route sout
h of the ORD Class B and I can't remember what it is. Also, is there an eas
y way past CLE at intermediate VFR altitudes?
>
> Thanks All
>
> Dave Aldrich
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406271#406271
>
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| Subject: | Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help |
Both. Winds were pretty high on Sunday, and moderate turbulence forecast
all along my route. I was on meds for the spider bite on my toe and didn't
feel good. I just didn't feel like getting beat up for two days (it was 16
hours of flying time getting up there). I felt the safest thing to do was
to rent a hangar at C37 for a month and come back later for the airplane.
Toe is healing nicely now, although I'm still on meds and haven't flown
since Brodhead. I'll probably try to time the retrieval so I can attend the
grassroots fly-in at Brodhead after Labor Day. Maybe by then we'll be out
of the pattern of stationary fronts hanging over the mountains that we've
had almost all summer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
airlion2@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help
Why did you leave it jack? Was it the weather or your foot or both. Weather
has been terrible all over. gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:55 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
wrote:
Dave,
You didn't mention whether or not you will have a GPS. Assuming you do,
here is the route that I would program in to get you around Chicago:
I fly from Brodhead to Poplar Grove, Illinois (C77), then go to Swett
intersection (which should keep you clear of Aurora's Class D airspace) then
to Joliet (KJOT) After you get to Joliet, you should be clear of Chicago.
Maybe Mike Cuy can chime in with advice for avoiding CLE airspace.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP (which is still in Brodhead - I need to get back up there and fly it
back home)
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: BEAUTIFUL WORK MARIO!! |
Ditto what Douwe said Mario. It's cool that your's is a family project. Is
that your father helping you?
Greg Bacon
NX114D
On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:45 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> w
rote:
> I just looked at your Pietenpol site Mario and it is going to be a beautif
ul airplane!! Congratulations on your progress!
>
> Douwe
>
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Would like to know how others have done there piano hinges on the ailerons. Did
you leave the 3/8" gap as on the plans or have to change the distance? Is the
hinge flush with the top of the wing or is it sticking up? Any close up pictures
would be of great help. Also maybe the size of hinge also. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: BEAUTIFUL WORK MARIO!! |
thank you, yes he is, he did a lot of "iron" work. I try to put my wife,
doughter, son, etc in job, but they are afraid in get involved in this
kind of job. But some things they did, they paint, my doughter sewed some
ribs of the wing, and others things.
Regards
Mario Giacummo
2013/8/9 Gmail <gbacon67@gmail.com>
> Ditto what Douwe said Mario. It's cool that your's is a family project.
> Is that your father helping you?
>
> Greg Bacon
> NX114D
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:45 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> I just looked at your Pietenpol site Mario and it is going to be a
> beautiful airplane!! Congratulations on your progress!****
>
> ** **
>
> Douwe****
>
> *
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> *
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
2RN has 1 1/8" aluminum piano hinges, set on the face of the leading edge of the
aileron and face of the trailing edge of the wing (the rear spar at that point),
down from the top to where the top of the hinge is JUST below the surface.
Hard to tell it's there at all. The hinge is 1/4" thick, and by the time it sits
on several layers of fabric and paint, I'm not sure Dick had to do anything
to get everything to match up insofar as the 3/8 gap.
It's held in place with 10/32 SS machine screws about every 8", into nut plates
on the inside face of the rear spar.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
My hinges are cut it in two pieces, because the bolts that hold the control
corn are outside de plywood piece and interrupt the path.
About the 3/8" gap.. I do not mesure my gap, but is the hinge thicknes
now; and the top of the hinge is aligned with the rib profile.
Not photos of the job.
But be careful, my plane do not fly yet ;o)
____
Mario Giacummo
2013/8/9 Pietflyer1977 <rob@stoinoff.com>
>
> Would like to know how others have done there piano hinges on the
> ailerons. Did you leave the 3/8" gap as on the plans or have to change the
> distance? Is the hinge flush with the top of the wing or is it sticking up?
> Any close up pictures would be of great help. Also maybe the size of hinge
> also. Thanks
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406310#406310
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help |
Like Jack said down the west side of chicago, to JOT, then just Pick up RT
30 across indiana, many airports along Rt 30, Valparaiso, Plymouth, Valpara
iso, Warsaw, are all along 30 in Indiana.- Just watch out for the Windmil
ls on the east side of Fort Wayne area.- If you have to borrow a GPS, tha
t is always good insurance, and keeps you clear of the Class B, C areas on
your route.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "airlion2@g
mail.com" <airlion2@gmail.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pieten
pol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Friday, August 9, 2013 9:09 AM=0ASubject:
Re: Pietenpol-List: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help=0A=0A=0A=0AWhy did you
leave it jack? Was it the weather or your foot or both. Weather has been t
errible all over. gardiner=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0A=0AOn Aug 8, 2013, at 9
:55 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0ADave,=0A>
-=0A>You didn't mention whether or not you will have a GPS.- Assuming y
ou do, here is the route that I would program in to get you around Chicago
:=0A>-=0A>I fly from Brodhead to Poplar Grove , Illinois (C77), then go t
o Swett intersection (which should keep you clear of Aurora 's Class D airs
pace) then to Joliet (KJOT)- After you get to Joliet , you should be clea
r of Chicago .=0A>-=0A>Maybe Mike Cuy can chime in with advice for avoidi
ng CLE airspace.=0A>-=0A>Jack Phillips=0A>NX899JP (which is still in Brod
head - I need to get back up there and fly it back home)=0A>Smith Mountain
Lake, Virginia=0A>-=0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>From: owner-pietenpo
l-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.c
om] On Behalf Of dgaldrich=0A>Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:47 PM=0A>To
: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Off Topic -- Ohi
" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>=0A>-=0A>So here's the deal.- I'm ferrying
a Dakota Hawk (wood, plans built, tail wheel, no transponder, sound familia
r?) from outside Milwaukee to Maine .- The route from the PA border up to
Maine is pretty straight forward but I need some suggestions on coping wit
h Chicago and Cleveland air space.- Did I mention NO transponder?=0A>-
=0A>Those of you who fly from mid-Ohio to Brodhead have a preferred route s
outh of the ORD Class B and I can't remember what it is.- Also, is there
an easy way past CLE at intermediate VFR altitudes?=0A>-=0A>Thanks All=0A
>-=0A>Dave Aldrich=0A>-=0A>-=0A>-=0A>-=0A>Read this topic online
here:=0A>-=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406271#406271
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gcardinal(at)comcast.net wrote:
> There was also a Vega powered Piet
>
> Greg Cardinal
I owned a 65 Franklin Piet and a freind had a 90 frank on his. Here is a picture
of a Vega powered Scout...
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[about the Vega powered Scout]- can I say it? Will somebody shoot me if I do?
That is one UGLY beast!!!
And regarding the use of an inverted inline engine, I don't know of anyone who
is using a Menasco or Ranger, but there was a fellow on this list a few years
ago (out of Missouri-?) who was putting an ENMA Tigre on his St. Croix Aerial,
which is a biplane version of the Air Camper. There was a 125HP and a 150HP
version of this engine; I don't know which one he has.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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I'd love to see it! Could the rest of us have the website address??
Charles B
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> I just looked at your Pietenpol site Mario and it is going to be a
> beautiful airplane!! Congratulations on your progress!
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
Attached a couple of pictures of mine, blind nuts on the back of the spars,
gap is just the thickness of the piano hinge, used the extruded ones but
most agree the less expensive ones are fine.
rick h
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Pietflyer1977 <rob@stoinoff.com> wrote:
>
> Would like to know how others have done there piano hinges on the
> ailerons. Did you leave the 3/8" gap as on the plans or have to change the
> distance? Is the hinge flush with the top of the wing or is it sticking up?
> Any close up pictures would be of great help. Also maybe the size of hinge
> also. Thanks
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Did you drill a conic hole (to hold the nut head) in de hinge or just
stright?
Mario Giacummo
2013/8/9 Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> Attached a couple of pictures of mine, blind nuts on the back of the
> spars, gap is just the thickness of the piano hinge, used the extruded ones
> but most agree the less expensive ones are fine.
>
> rick h
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Pietflyer1977 <rob@stoinoff.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Would like to know how others have done there piano hinges on the
>> ailerons. Did you leave the 3/8" gap as on the plans or have to change the
>> distance? Is the hinge flush with the top of the wing or is it sticking up?
>> Any close up pictures would be of great help. Also maybe the size of hinge
>> also. Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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Correct, the holes in the hinge are countersunk and flat head machine
screws are used.
rh
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>wrote:
> Did you drill a conic hole (to hold the nut head) in de hinge or just
> stright?
>
>
> Mario Giacummo
>
>
> 2013/8/9 Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>
>> Attached a couple of pictures of mine, blind nuts on the back of the
>> spars, gap is just the thickness of the piano hinge, used the extruded ones
>> but most agree the less expensive ones are fine.
>>
>> rick h
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Pietflyer1977 <rob@stoinoff.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Would like to know how others have done there piano hinges on the
>>> ailerons. Did you leave the 3/8" gap as on the plans or have to change the
>>> distance? Is the hinge flush with the top of the wing or is it sticking up?
>>> Any close up pictures would be of great help. Also maybe the size of hinge
>>> also. Thanks
>>>
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Mine has countersunk (I presume what you mean by "conic") holes in the hinge...
however, regular flat head screws were used and they're fine. Since the hinge
(in total) is thicker than the wide parts where the screws go through, there's
room for a screw head without interference. If you rely on that clearance,
you need to offset the screws in each half because there isn't room for two screw
heads. This would require a hinge that isn't predrilled for attachment screws.
Or, you can countersink and not worry about it at all, and is a somewhat neater
appearance.
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Make sure to offset the bolts so they won't interfere with each other.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Aug 9, 2013, at 9:04 AM, "Pietflyer1977" <rob@stoinoff.com> wrote:
>
> Would like to know how others have done there piano hinges on the ailerons. Did
you leave the 3/8" gap as on the plans or have to change the distance? Is the
hinge flush with the top of the wing or is it sticking up? Any close up pictures
would be of great help. Also maybe the size of hinge also. Thanks
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406310#406310
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Seriously, the best way to do it is to have Jim Markle come over and explain how
to do it. I did it just the way he told me to do it and it worked great.
Pictures of my installation.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/Wings%202.htm
If I did it again I would think about using the simple t-nuts with the 3 prongs.
Using the aviation wing nuts makes some of my screws really close to the wing
fabric. Also, the hing covers the bolts for the aileron horn. I recessed the
horn bolts into the spar so the hinge goes over the bolts. Your solution may
differ. I used dome head screws, the heads do not interfere with the way the
aileron moves. And yes, remember to offset the bolt heads.
Chris
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
I would be wary of the woodworking T-nut, as many aircraft finishes tend to drip
a lot inside the wing. If any drips on the aileron hinge bolt, when you go
to remove, it'll likely come part way out and jam...
Then you'll push harder, dislodge the t-nut... and you've got problems.
This can be avoided, however, by using the hinge pin instead of the screws to take
the aileron off (should you need to), or perhaps careful treating of the threads
to discourage anything dripping on them from sticking.
The aircraft style nut plates held with little screws will work better. I've got
those t-nuts all over the inspection belly plate, and they give me fits. Fortunately
I can get to the top of them once the plate is off. I've had to cut
a few heads off to get that far. Inside the wing, you'll be cutting the fabric
unless an inspection hole is nearby.
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I used T-nuts and set them in epoxy...no worries.
Gary
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:38 AM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I would be wary of the woodworking T-nut, as many aircraft finishes tend to drip
a lot inside the wing. If any drips on the aileron hinge bolt, when you go
to remove, it'll likely come part way out and jam...
>
> Then you'll push harder, dislodge the t-nut... and you've got problems.
>
> This can be avoided, however, by using the hinge pin instead of the screws to
take the aileron off (should you need to), or perhaps careful treating of the
threads to discourage anything dripping on them from sticking.
>
> The aircraft style nut plates held with little screws will work better. I've
got those t-nuts all over the inspection belly plate, and they give me fits.
Fortunately I can get to the top of them once the plate is off. I've had to
cut a few heads off to get that far. Inside the wing, you'll be cutting the fabric
unless an inspection hole is nearby.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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For more than a year, we've been storing 30 board feet of 2"x6" rough-cut Sitka
Spruce, waiting to turn it into Piet spars. I bought it from a hardwood supplier
that Mark Roberts used to work for. It looked acceptable but, being rough,
it was hard to give it a real hard-nosed inspection, so we didn't really know
what we had. Yesterday, half expecting nothing but a pile of very expensive chips
and sawdust, we hacked it into spar-shaped pieces.
I'll post pictures later, but those sticks, once destined to be a mast on a small
sailboat, are made of the sweetest, straightest grain spruce I've ever seen.
No knots, no compression fractures, no handling damage; just 16-20 gpi running
straight the entire length with one tiny, acceptable, sap inclusion. Total
cost less than $250.
Now for a careful glue-up a la Mike Cuy's recommendation.
Mike Hardaway
Scratched on an iPad with blunt instruments.
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Werner 145, ran 250 RPM over rated, 82" Prop.
Funk 200 standard equipment.
Funk 200 inverted with fuel injection, Lambert prop 90 HP
Pieti Lowell
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while at brodhead i spoke with a pair of swedish pilots who showed me pictures
of a piet with a taller turtledeck powered with a ford v-4 out of a saab 96 with
a homemade redrive
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sorry, i forgot to add the "poplar pietenpol" (in the archives i believe.) with
chevy "iron duke" 151 cu in motor. also i've seen for sale a "chevy II "powered
piet. dont know if that is the same engine or not.
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We have a Salmson radial Scout and Subaru EA81 Air Camper here in Australia.
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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I have updated the list: (30 so far plus two more used on the scout)
(Did anyone ever use the 2 cylinder Franklin that was used on the
Belanca version of the Citabria back in the early seventies? I am
also sure someone must have used the 50 hp Continental sometime in the
thirties.)
Pietenpol Engines
Continental A-65
A-75
A-80
C-85
C-90
O-200
Twin 65 hp
Continental Industrial Engine
Lycoming 65 hp
O-235
Franklin 65 hp
90 hp
Ford Model A
Model B
Flat head V-8
Escort engine
Funk 200 standard
200 inverted
Warner radial 145 hp
Velie radial
Rotec radial
Lambert radial
Chevrolet 2.5L (Iron Duke)
Buick V-8
Corvair
Toyota (I don't remember which one, but there was a pic a few months ago of
two Piets in New Zealand who were
powered by Toyotas)
Subaru
Turbo Subaru
Geo/Suzuki 2300 cc
Mitsubishi (soon to be)
Used on Pietenpol Scout
Model T
Chevrolet Vega
(Was there a Continental 50 hp, a Volkswagen, a Lycoming 125 hp GPU,
or a Kinner? Was a Vega engine ever used on an aircamper?)
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the two subaru powered piets
that I know of here in the states were both EA 82's. One was in the
piet that flew from Utah with Steve Eldredge, and was sold to someone
in Indiana, and the other was the turbo version on Mountain Piet.
On 8/9/13, bubbleboy <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com> wrote:
> <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
>
> We have a Salmson radial Scout and Subaru EA81 Air Camper here in
> Australia.
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine
> at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
Here is something different when it comes to aileron hinges. As I said yest
erday, I figure I gain at least 10 or 15 knots because of these :o)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Pietflyer1977 <rob@stoinoff.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2013 9:06 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Would like to know how others have done there piano hinges on the ailerons.
Did
you leave the 3/8" gap as on the plans or have to change the distance? Is t
he
hinge flush with the top of the wing or is it sticking up? Any close up pic
tures
would be of great help. Also maybe the size of hinge also. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help |
Thanks all. The Hawk has an O-200 with an electrical systen but NO transponder.
I have a GPS and will take Jack's c77..swett..jot routing to get east of the
ORD class B. Looks like going south of CAK and then over Elser (4g4) will get
me through the eastern Ohio maze.
I was born in Fort Wayne and lived there until I was 13, took my first flying lessons
at Toledo Exec from a guy named Stan Irons who flew mail in the 20's and
not only lived to talk about it, but made it past the century mark. I think
at one time he was the oldest active CFI in the country. Wouldn't let me use the
flaps on the 172 we were flying. Said they were a crutch and, in hind sight,
he was absolutely correct.
I still have shirt tail relatives all over northern Indiana. Wish I had the time
to stop and get reacquainted but the weather window only allows so much lollygagging.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help |
Dave, if you stop at Elser (4g4) for fuel or a break, you should drop by
the shop (I assume and hope the shop is still there) that does restorations
of Beech Staggerwings. Several times during the 90s when I still lived in
Bloomington, Indiana, I used to ferry a friend there to check up on the
progress of his Staggerwing project. The craftsmanship, woodwork, and
fabric would make any Piet builder (or Hawk owner) proud. Unbelievable
work. Cheers, Ken
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 PM, dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>
> Thanks all. The Hawk has an O-200 with an electrical systen but NO
> transponder. I have a GPS and will take Jack's c77..swett..jot routing to
> get east of the ORD class B. Looks like going south of CAK and then over
> Elser (4g4) will get me through the eastern Ohio maze.
>
> I was born in Fort Wayne and lived there until I was 13, took my first
> flying lessons at Toledo Exec from a guy named Stan Irons who flew mail in
> the 20's and not only lived to talk about it, but made it past the century
> mark. I think at one time he was the oldest active CFI in the country.
> Wouldn't let me use the flaps on the 172 we were flying. Said they were a
> crutch and, in hind sight, he was absolutely correct.
>
> I still have shirt tail relatives all over northern Indiana. Wish I had
> the time to stop and get reacquainted but the weather window only allows so
> much lollygagging.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406392#406392
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| Subject: | Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine |
And don't forget the Piet that went to the Rockford fly-in many moons ago
with two A65's in the nose. Mike McGowan
ps I'm old I was there and remember it but the pictures I took were lost
long ago.
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
>
> [about the Vega powered Scout]- can I say it? Will somebody shoot me if I
> do? That is one UGLY beast!!!
>
> And regarding the use of an inverted inline engine, I don't know of anyone
> who is using a Menasco or Ranger, but there was a fellow on this list a
> few years ago (out of Missouri-?) who was putting an ENMA Tigre on his St.
> Croix Aerial, which is a biplane version of the Air Camper. There was a
> 125HP and a 150HP version of this engine; I don't know which one he has.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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My recollection is that Charlie Rubeck had a 50 hp Lycoming O-145 on the
front of his Air Camper. Cheers, Ken
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Michael McGowan <shadetree@socket.net>wrote:
> shadetree@socket.net>
>
> And don't forget the Piet that went to the Rockford fly-in many moons ago
> with two A65's in the nose. Mike McGowan
> ps I'm old I was there and remember it but the pictures I took were lost
> long ago.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
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>> [about the Vega powered Scout]- can I say it? Will somebody shoot me if
>> I do? That is one UGLY beast!!!
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>> And regarding the use of an inverted inline engine, I don't know of
>> anyone who is using a Menasco or Ranger, but there was a fellow on this
>> list a few years ago (out of Missouri-?) who was putting an ENMA Tigre on
>> his St. Croix Aerial, which is a biplane version of the Air Camper. There
>> was a 125HP and a 150HP version of this engine; I don't know which one he
>> has.
>>
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>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
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>> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
Seems the aileron hinge bolts would not be in place during covering. When ready
to install the hinges after covering, just clean the t nuts with a tap. Maybe?
I did have the screws in place when I added two part epoxy to the t-nuts/screws.
The epoxy holds the screws in the t-nuts very tightly! Found a little bit of
heat from a micro torch released the screws quickly and cleanly. I plan on MAYBE
using a mild locktite (blue?) when I finally install the hinges.
Ray Krause
SkyScout, t-nuts in place with small screws.
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On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:38 AM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I would be wary of the woodworking T-nut, as many aircraft finishes tend to drip
a lot inside the wing. If any drips on the aileron hinge bolt, when you go
to remove, it'll likely come part way out and jam...
>
> Then you'll push harder, dislodge the t-nut... and you've got problems.
>
> This can be avoided, however, by using the hinge pin instead of the screws to
take the aileron off (should you need to), or perhaps careful treating of the
threads to discourage anything dripping on them from sticking.
>
> The aircraft style nut plates held with little screws will work better. I've
got those t-nuts all over the inspection belly plate, and they give me fits.
Fortunately I can get to the top of them once the plate is off. I've had to
cut a few heads off to get that far. Inside the wing, you'll be cutting the fabric
unless an inspection hole is nearby.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406342#406342
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| Subject: | Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine |
Has anyone heard of efforts to put an aero diesel engine on a piet?
Greg Bacon
NX114D
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:39 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> [about the Vega powered Scout]- can I say it? Will somebody shoot me if I
> do? That is one UGLY beast!!!
>
> And regarding the use of an inverted inline engine, I don't know of anyone
> who is using a Menasco or Ranger, but there was a fellow on this list a few
> years ago (out of Missouri-?) who was putting an ENMA Tigre on his St.
> Croix Aerial, which is a biplane version of the Air Camper. There was a
> 125HP and a 150HP version of this engine; I don't know which one he has.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406321#406321
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine |
Quite some time ago there also was a Piet with a Mercedes diesel.
--Mac in Oregon
>
> I have updated the list: (30 so far plus two more used on the scout)
> (Did anyone ever use the 2 cylinder Franklin that was used on the
> Belanca version of the Citabria back in the early seventies? I am
> also sure someone must have used the 50 hp Continental sometime in the
> thirties.)
>
> Pietenpol Engines
>
> Continental A-65
> A-75
> A-80
> C-85
> C-90
> O-200
> Twin 65 hp
>
> Continental Industrial Engine
>
> Lycoming 65 hp
> O-235
>
> Franklin 65 hp
> 90 hp
>
> Ford Model A
> Model B
> Flat head V-8
> Escort engine
>
> Funk 200 standard
> 200 inverted
>
> Warner radial 145 hp
>
> Velie radial
> Rotec radial
> Lambert radial
>
> Chevrolet 2.5L (Iron Duke)
> Buick V-8
> Corvair
> Toyota (I don't remember which one, but there was a pic a few months ago
> of
> two Piets in New Zealand who were
> powered by Toyotas)
> Subaru
> Turbo Subaru
> Geo/Suzuki 2300 cc
>
> Mitsubishi (soon to be)
>
> Used on Pietenpol Scout
> Model T
> Chevrolet Vega
>
> (Was there a Continental 50 hp, a Volkswagen, a Lycoming 125 hp GPU,
> or a Kinner? Was a Vega engine ever used on an aircamper?)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
I think the locktite would be optional. The consensus is that there are so
many screws you are bound to see one loosening before any danger. I recently
removed all from the left wing, after 50 hrs, and there were no loose
screws.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinges
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Seems the aileron hinge bolts would not be in place during covering. When
ready to install the hinges after covering, just clean the t nuts with a
tap. Maybe?
I did have the screws in place when I added two part epoxy to the
t-nuts/screws. The epoxy holds the screws in the t-nuts very tightly! Found
a little bit of heat from a micro torch released the screws quickly and
cleanly. I plan on MAYBE using a mild locktite (blue?) when I finally
install the hinges.
Ray Krause
SkyScout, t-nuts in place with small screws.
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:38 AM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I would be wary of the woodworking T-nut, as many aircraft finishes tend
to drip a lot inside the wing. If any drips on the aileron hinge bolt, when
you go to remove, it'll likely come part way out and jam...
>
> Then you'll push harder, dislodge the t-nut... and you've got problems.
>
> This can be avoided, however, by using the hinge pin instead of the screws
to take the aileron off (should you need to), or perhaps careful treating of
the threads to discourage anything dripping on them from sticking.
>
> The aircraft style nut plates held with little screws will work better.
I've got those t-nuts all over the inspection belly plate, and they give me
fits. Fortunately I can get to the top of them once the plate is off. I've
had to cut a few heads off to get that far. Inside the wing, you'll be
cutting the fabric unless an inspection hole is nearby.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406342#406342
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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