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1. 06:43 AM - Re: planes the movie (tools)
2. 07:10 AM - Non-stick paint for T-88? (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: planes the movie (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Paul and Dianne)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: New Propeller Arrival (Michael Perez)
6. 07:49 AM - Re: New Propeller Arrival (danhelsper@aol.com)
7. 08:25 AM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (tools)
8. 08:27 AM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (jarheadpilot82)
9. 08:29 AM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (tools)
10. 08:30 AM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (jarheadpilot82)
11. 10:18 AM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (Baldeagle)
12. 10:57 AM - Pietenpol T-shirts from Brodhead 2013 (Bill Weeden)
13. 06:48 PM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Bill Church)
14. 07:03 PM - Re: New Propeller Arrival (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
15. 07:36 PM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Bill Church)
16. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Clif Dawson)
17. 08:36 PM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (echobravo4)
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| Subject: | Re: planes the movie |
Nice review! Wanted to see it at Oshkosh, but it conflicted with a concert I also
wanted to see, and figured it might be better in a theater anyway.
Next question would be whether or not it's "quotable", does it have possible cult
status in time?
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| Subject: | Non-stick paint for T-88? |
Is there such a thing that can be applied over the wooden parts of a rib ji
g that would prevent the glue from sticking to them?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: planes the movie |
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possibly a few quotes but nothing in line with The Great Waldo Pepper!
On 08/11/13, tools wrote:
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> Nice review! Wanted to see it at Oshkosh, but it conflicted with a concert I
also wanted to see, and figured it might be better in a theater anyway.
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> Next question would be whether or not it's "quotable", does it have possible
cult status in time?
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406433#406433
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| Subject: | Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine |
I II believe there was one on floats with a Lycoming GPU in Sault Ste
Marie back in the early 70=99s. Might have been C-FAQI
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| Subject: | Re: New Propeller Arrival |
Thanks Tools. Please ask about the scallops! I would like to compare notes between
experts.
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On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 12:27 PM EDT Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB wrote:
>
>UNCLASSIFIED
>Micheal, That looks awful. You would not want to put that on your plane. I will
provide my shipping address and you can dispose of it by shipping it to me!
>
>Seriously, Looks great.
>
>I have a friend who is an aerodynamicist. Do you want me to ask him his opinion
on the "scallops"?
>
>Blue Skies,
>Steve D
>
>On 08/10/13, Michael Perez wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I received my CloudCars propeller yesterday. It is a 76 X 38 all maple scimitar
that I ordered not finished...which saved me some money and allows me to finish,
stain, paint, varnish as I want. As shipped, it weighs 10#. With it was
a note from Jay Anderson to call him for some finishing tips. During our conversation,
he told me that they seem to get better performance from the props.
that are left with the "scallops" intact as opposed to the propellers that are
sanded smooth. He also recommended that the "fields", (fiberglass covered tips)
stay intact. Sounded like most people don't like the rough, patch-work look
of them and try to fill/sand smooth. These fields form a nice, hard edge around
the wood that should also be left intact. My plan was to sand the propeller
smooth and make it as slick as I could. After our 40 min. conversation, I am
now going to leave the prop. as shipped. Jay said some MILD sanding is fine to
prep. it for it's first coat
of protection, (paint, !
> varnish, stain...) but nothing more than that is needed. MILD sanding between
coats is also OK, but keep it to a minimum.
>>
>> Jay was very adamant about staying away from off the shelf Minwax - type varnishes.
I don't remember his EXACT reasoning, but it had something to do with
some type of plastic chemicals used, that his experience shows to peel and crack
over time. His recommendation to me was to use Ace Hardware spar varnish. #273A110
is for 1 gallon of gloss. I will be looking into quart size semi/satin
and if found, I will pass those numbers along.
>>
>> Color choice and heat were another concern. Dark colors and the sun make Jay
uneasy somewhat. We agreed that if using a dark prop. and the plane will sit
in the sun, (stored outside, plenty of fly ins, etc.) a propeller cover of some
sort is a wise idea.
>>
>> I feel the intel. Jay shared with me may be of use to others, so I posted here.
>>
>> I love my propeller and Jay seems to be a fine gentleman with a lot of knowledge
concerning propellers and the making of. I am grateful that he took the time
to talk to me and stop me from making some mistakes and also preventing me
from potentially decreasing my propellers performance.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>> Karetaker Aero
>> http://www.karetakeraero.com/(blockedhttp://www.karetakeraero.com/)
>UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Propeller Arrival |
I guess I don't get the scallops. But maybe its kinda like dimple tape.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 9:41 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Propeller Arrival
et>
Thanks Tools. Please ask about the scallops! I would like to compare notes
between experts.
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On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 12:27 PM EDT Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB wrote:
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
>UNCLASSIFIED
>Micheal, That looks awful. You would not want to put that on your plane. I
will
provide my shipping address and you can dispose of it by shipping it to me!
>
>Seriously, Looks great.
>
>I have a friend who is an aerodynamicist. Do you want me to ask him his op
inion
on the "scallops"?
>
>Blue Skies,
>Steve D
>
>On 08/10/13, Michael Perez wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I received my CloudCars propeller yesterday. It is a 76 X 38 all maple
scimitar that I ordered not finished...which saved me some money and allows
me
to finish, stain, paint, varnish as I want. As shipped, it weighs 10#. With
it
was a note from Jay Anderson to call him for some finishing tips. During ou
r
conversation, he told me that they seem to get better performance from the
props. that are left with the "scallops" intact as opposed to the propeller
s
that are sanded smooth. He also recommended that the "fields", (fiberglass
covered tips) stay intact. Sounded like most people don't like the rough,
patch-work look of them and try to fill/sand smooth. These fields form a ni
ce,
hard edge around the wood that should also be left intact. My plan was to s
and
the propeller smooth and make it as slick as I could. After our 40 min.
conversation, I am now going to leave the prop. as shipped. Jay said some M
ILD
sanding is fine to prep. it for it's first coat
of protection, (paint, !
> varnish, stain...) but nothing more than that is needed. MILD sanding bet
ween
coats is also OK, but keep it to a minimum.
>>
>> Jay was very adamant about staying away from off the shelf Minwax - type
varnishes. I don't remember his EXACT reasoning, but it had something to do
with
some type of plastic chemicals used, that his experience shows to peel and
crack
over time. His recommendation to me was to use Ace Hardware spar varnish.
#273A110 is for 1 gallon of gloss. I will be looking into quart size semi/s
atin
and if found, I will pass those numbers along.
>>
>> Color choice and heat were another concern. Dark colors and the sun make
Jay
uneasy somewhat. We agreed that if using a dark prop. and the plane will si
t in
the sun, (stored outside, plenty of fly ins, etc.) a propeller cover of som
e
sort is a wise idea.
>>
>> I feel the intel. Jay shared with me may be of use to others, so I poste
d
here.
>>
>> I love my propeller and Jay seems to be a fine gentleman with a lot of
knowledge concerning propellers and the making of. I am grateful that he to
ok
the time to talk to me and stop me from making some mistakes and also preve
nting
me from potentially decreasing my propellers performance.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>> Karetaker Aero
>> http://www.karetakeraero.com/(blockedhttp://www.karetakeraero.com/)
>UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? |
That stuff is tenacious... it's been sticking to the little plastic protectors
on my squeeze clamps (the orange jorgensen's).
I was thinking of using wax, but haven't had a chance to try it yet. Of course,
that might cause problems with varnishing later...
The jig I built has recesses, so the glued joints don't touch the jig. Only built
one rib on it so far, but it worked well.
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| Subject: | Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? |
What about waxing the jig, Dan? I don't think that the T88 could/would stick to
Minwax. Tools might chime in on this one.
Just my hip shot thought.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? |
Wow, did really co-post that? Hehe. How's Dakkar and flying with Chester?!!
Learn anything I should know... er... remember?!
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| Subject: | Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? |
I see Tools was responding just as I was writing the first post.
Tools, on a separate note, Chester won't give your knife back. Something about
"Finders, Keepers"...
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? |
I use Scotch packing tape-
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do not archive
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| Subject: | Pietenpol T-shirts from Brodhead 2013 |
I have some shirts leftover from the Brodhead Fly-in. Check them out in the webstore:
http://www.gt-37.org/webstore/index.php?route=product/category&path=64
There are a couple of size SMALL, no MEDIUM, mostly LARGE and XL.
Thanks.
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Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/2013shirtd2_492.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine |
There was an Aircamper (G-BUXK) that flew with a Wilksch Airmotive WAM-100 diesel
engine a few years ago.
http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/g-buxk/4534040612
Here's a link that has a South African Piet powered by a Toyota Turbo deisel (about
half way down the page):
http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=47192&start=75#p612103
Regarding the 50 hp Continental, C-FAUK was originally powered by one, and later
changed to an A-65.
Mine will be powered by a C-75 (someday), which is a different engine than the
A-75. I'm sure that engine has been used before.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: New Propeller Arrival |
UNCLASSIFIED
Michael please resend the photos. I will forward them To my buddy. (I was sure
I had saved that email but can't find it.)
Beware he speaks a strange language in which Bernoullis and Coandas figure largely.
blue Skies
Steve D
On 08/11/13, Michael Perez wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Tools. Please ask about the scallops! I would like to compare notes between
experts.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 12:27 PM EDT Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB wrote:
>
> >
> >UNCLASSIFIED
> >Micheal, That looks awful. You would not want to put that on your plane. I will
provide my shipping address and you can dispose of it by shipping it to me!
> >
> >Seriously, Looks great.
> >
> >I have a friend who is an aerodynamicist. Do you want me to ask him his opinion
on the "scallops"?
> >
> >Blue Skies,
> >Steve D
> >
> >On 08/10/13, Michael Perez wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I received my CloudCars propeller yesterday. It is a 76 X 38 all maple scimitar
that I ordered not finished...which saved me some money and allows me to
finish, stain, paint, varnish as I want. As shipped, it weighs 10#. With it was
a note from Jay Anderson to call him for some finishing tips. During our conversation,
he told me that they seem to get better performance from the props.
that are left with the "scallops" intact as opposed to the propellers that are
sanded smooth. He also recommended that the "fields", (fiberglass covered tips)
stay intact. Sounded like most people don't like the rough, patch-work look
of them and try to fill/sand smooth. These fields form a nice, hard edge around
the wood that should also be left intact. My plan was to sand the propeller
smooth and make it as slick as I could. After our 40 min. conversation, I am
now going to leave the prop. as shipped. Jay said some MILD sanding is fine
to prep. it for it's first coat
> of protection, (paint, !
> > varnish, stain...) but nothing more than that is needed. MILD sanding between
coats is also OK, but keep it to a minimum.
> >>
> >> Jay was very adamant about staying away from off the shelf Minwax - type varnishes.
I don't remember his EXACT reasoning, but it had something to do with
some type of plastic chemicals used, that his experience shows to peel and crack
over time. His recommendation to me was to use Ace Hardware spar varnish.
#273A110 is for 1 gallon of gloss. I will be looking into quart size semi/satin
and if found, I will pass those numbers along.
> >>
> >> Color choice and heat were another concern. Dark colors and the sun make Jay
uneasy somewhat. We agreed that if using a dark prop. and the plane will sit
in the sun, (stored outside, plenty of fly ins, etc.) a propeller cover of some
sort is a wise idea.
> >>
> >> I feel the intel. Jay shared with me may be of use to others, so I posted
here.
> >>
> >> I love my propeller and Jay seems to be a fine gentleman with a lot of knowledge
concerning propellers and the making of. I am grateful that he took the
time to talk to me and stop me from making some mistakes and also preventing
me from potentially decreasing my propellers performance.
> >>
> >> Michael Perez
> >> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> >> Karetaker Aero
> >> http://www.karetakeraero.com/(blockedhttp://www.karetakeraero.com/)
> >UNCLASSIFIED
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine |
You asked about a Kinner:
http://www.oshkosh365.org/saarchive/eaa_articles/1979_02_27.pdf
(not exactly a stock Pietenpol, but...)
And here's one powered by a Ford Fiesta engine:
http://www.oshkosh365.org/saarchive/eaa_articles/1980_11_12.pdf
BC
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| Subject: | Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine |
That Kinner is presently in Victoria on Vancouver Island.
The owner has the intention of using it for a replica Pitcairn autogyro. I
haven't seen him for a while. He built a model B
Piet but has changed to an O-200 that he acquired for
" a very good price ". I haven't seen Charlie's Piet for some
time either. There's another one floating around the
Vancouver area from one guy to another that I'd seen a
few years ago " in restoration" It had been re-engineered
somewhat, as they say. :-)
Attached are two pics of the Victoria Piet taken some years
ago when he was just into taxi testing. In the second pic
we see his efforts getting in. What's missing here?? :-)
Also what about Jim Malley's Fiest Piet?
Clif
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch
where it itches. - Alice Roosevelt Longworth
You asked about a Kinner:
http://www.oshkosh365.org/saarchive/eaa_articles/1979_02_27.pdf
> And here's one powered by a Ford Fiesta engine:
http://www.oshkosh365.org/saarchive/eaa_articles/1980_11_12.pdf
>
> BC
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| Subject: | Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? |
I used packing tape as well-
Worked much better than plastic wrap
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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