---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/12/13: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (danhelsper@aol.com) 2. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Dan Yocum) 3. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (Greg Bacon) 4. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help (DandD Boyd) 5. 06:29 AM - Re: planes the movie (TOM STINEMETZE) 6. 06:52 AM - Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help (Bill Church) 7. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help (Ken Bickers) 8. 07:29 AM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (Barry Davis) 9. 07:48 AM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (Ken Bickers) 10. 11:51 AM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (Hans van der Voort) 11. 11:58 AM - Re: Pietenpol T-shirts from Brodhead 2013 (K5YAC) 12. 12:32 PM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (K5YAC) 13. 12:35 PM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (Rick Holland) 14. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (Jack) 15. 03:23 PM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (Bill Church) 16. 04:06 PM - Latex PainT Update (gliderx5@comcast.net) 17. 04:33 PM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (jarheadpilot82) 18. 05:24 PM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (Bill Church) 19. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (Jack) 20. 06:48 PM - Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? (jarheadpilot82) 21. 06:49 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Pietflyer1977) 22. 07:37 PM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (Bill Weeden) 23. 09:29 PM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (taildrags) 24. 09:34 PM - Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? From: danhelsper@aol.com OK that is what I will use. Got plenty here. Thanks guys. Building a Tailwi nd now. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: echobravo4 Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 10:37 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? I used packing tape as well- Worked much better than plastic wrap -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up whe re I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406480#406480 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:05 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine Looks like a Mikron on this GN-1. Not sure if that counts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfZekpkH9XQ On 08/09/2013 05:27 PM, John Fay wrote: > > I have updated the list: (30 so far plus two more used on the scout) > (Did anyone ever use the 2 cylinder Franklin that was used on the > Belanca version of the Citabria back in the early seventies? I am > also sure someone must have used the 50 hp Continental sometime in the > thirties.) > > Pietenpol Engines > > Continental A-65 > A-75 > A-80 > C-85 > C-90 > O-200 > Twin 65 hp > > Continental Industrial Engine > > Lycoming 65 hp > O-235 > > Franklin 65 hp > 90 hp > > Ford Model A > Model B > Flat head V-8 > Escort engine > > Funk 200 standard > 200 inverted > > Warner radial 145 hp > > Velie radial > Rotec radial > Lambert radial > > Chevrolet 2.5L (Iron Duke) > Buick V-8 > Corvair > Toyota (I don't remember which one, but there was a pic a few months ago of > two Piets in New Zealand who were > powered by Toyotas) > Subaru > Turbo Subaru > Geo/Suzuki 2300 cc > > Mitsubishi (soon to be) > > Used on Pietenpol Scout > Model T > Chevrolet Vega > > (Was there a Continental 50 hp, a Volkswagen, a Lycoming 125 hp GPU, > or a Kinner? Was a Vega engine ever used on an aircamper?) > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? From: Greg Bacon Chuck Gantzer started a Tailwind after completing his Piet too. Does anyone know how Chuck is getting along? Greg Bacon NX114D On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:45 AM, wrote: > OK that is what I will use. Got plenty here. Thanks guys. Building a > Tailwind now. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: echobravo4 > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 10:37 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? > > > I used packing tape as well- > Worked much better than plastic wrap > > -------- > Earl Brown > > I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I > intended to be. > > > Read this topic online here: > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406480#406480 > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > * > > -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help From: DandD Boyd where is Elsner? airport ID? On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Don Emch wrote: > > I live and hangar just a few miles south of Elser. Mike Stanko is pretty > much out of the Staggerwing business. Things slowed down in that area when > the bottom dropped out a few years back. A cool place to shop in that area > is Salem Airpark. Great owners and a fantastic restaurant on the field. > By the way Galen Elser, who used to own Elser airport contributed quite a > bit to the Pietenpol lore.... But that's a whole other discussion. If you > pass through the area fell free to look me up, I'm at York field just south > of Elser. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406403#406403 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:29 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: planes the movie My eldest son out in Mojave, CA told me that the sound guys for the animated movie "Planes" came out to the airport with all their recording gear and had a bunch of the pilots there do things like: start engines, taxi, runup, take off, fast and slow flyby's, etc. while they recorded everything. Matt's Lone EZ was one of the planes that they recorded. He did not know if they went to a lot of different places and recorded or if this was the only place. I asked him if he would recognize the sound of his plane if it is in the movie. He thought he would but... who knows. Anyway, just a little side benefit of living that close to Hollywood I guess. Stinemetze McPherson, KS - no where near anything special >>> "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" 8/10/2013 9:41 PM >>> UNCLASSIFIED Just returned from seeing Planes in 3D with my 12 and 13 year old boys. All of us really enjoyed it. Basically Cars but with planes. No problem, Cars is a really great movie. The boys felt that they were just about equally good. It is just about the best 3D effects I have ever seen. I was surprised at the accuracy in many areas. The only Vtail was a French-Canadian female twin. Not sure how I feel about that. Most movie critic reviews pan the movie saying it is just a rehash and is predictable. But they are not the audience it was aimed at. The kids throughout the theater all clapped and cheered when the hero overcame obstacles. I think it is a must see for Aviators. especially with their kids and grandkids. Blue Skies, Steve D UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help From: "Bill Church" http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Elser+airport > where is Elsner? airport ID? > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406504#406504 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Off Topic -- Ohio Flyers -- Help From: Ken Bickers Don't know about an Elsner. The thread had diverted into a discussion of Elser, with airport identifier 4G4. It is located just south of Youngstown, Ohio, near the PA border. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:28 AM, DandD Boyd wrote: > where is Elsner? airport ID? > > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Don Emch wrote: > >> >> I live and hangar just a few miles south of Elser. Mike Stanko is pretty >> much out of the Staggerwing business. Things slowed down in that area when >> the bottom dropped out a few years back. A cool place to shop in that area >> is Salem Airpark. Great owners and a fantastic restaurant on the field. >> By the way Galen Elser, who used to own Elser airport contributed quite a >> bit to the Pietenpol lore.... But that's a whole other discussion. If you >> pass through the area fell free to look me up, I'm at York field just south >> of Elser. >> >> Don Emch >> NX899DE >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406403#406403 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:21 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Non-stick paint for T-88? We used cheap Scotch Tape. Not the package tape, but the =BE=94 rolls you use in an office. Just put a short strip under the glue joints. Its thin enough to let it run up the side if needed. You might need to change every few ribs, so I learned to fold over about 1/16=94 of the end of the strip so you would have a flap not stuck down to grab for quick removal. This way you could change them all in about 3 minutes and keep on working. Barry NX973BP From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danhelsper@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Non-stick paint for T-88? Is there such a thing that can be applied over the wooden parts of a rib jig that would prevent the glue from sticking to them? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Non-stick paint for T-88? From: Ken Bickers I used sheets of Saran Wrap. I'd drape a sheet lie loosely atop the jig. It would push in as the jig was loaded. If it tore, I'd drop in a small piece of Saran over the tear or replace the whole sheet. Quick and easy. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Barry Davis wrote: > We used cheap Scotch Tape. Not the package tape, but the =BE=94 rolls yo u use > in an office. Just put a short strip under the glue joints. Its thin enou gh > to let it run up the side if needed. You might need to change every few > ribs, so I learned to fold over about 1/16=94 of the end of the strip so you > would have a flap not stuck down to grab for quick removal. This way you > could change them all in about 3 minutes and keep on working.**** > > Barry NX973BP**** > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * > danhelsper@aol.com > *Sent:* Sunday, August 11, 2013 10:10 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Non-stick paint for T-88?**** > > ** ** > > Is there such a thing that can be applied over the wooden parts of a rib > jig that would prevent the glue from sticking to them?**** > > **** > > Dan Helsper**** > > Puryear, TN**** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:24 AM PST US From: Hans van der Voort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Non-stick paint for T-88? I used Parchment paper / Bakery paper, cellulose based version=C2-=0ADo n ot use the silicone based.=0A=C2-=0AHans=0A=C2-=0ANX 15KV=0A =0A=0A____ ____________________________=0A From: Ken Bickers =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:48 A M=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Non-stick paint for T-88?=0A =0A=0A=0AI u sed sheets of Saran Wrap. =C2-I'd drape a sheet lie loosely atop the jig. =C2-It would push in as the jig was loaded. =C2-If it tore, I'd drop i n a small piece of Saran over the tear or replace the whole sheet. =C2-Qu ick and easy. =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Barry Dav is wrote:=0A=0AWe used cheap=C2- Scotch Tape. Not th e package tape, but the =C2=BE=9D rolls you use in an office. Just pu t a short strip under the glue joints. Its thin enough to let it run up the side if needed. You might need to change every few ribs, so I learned to f old over about 1/16=9D of the end of the strip so you would have a fl ap not stuck down to grab for quick removal. This way you could change them all in about 3 minutes and keep on working. =0A>Barry NX973BP=0A>From:owne r-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of danhelsper@aol.com=0A>Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2 013 10:10 AM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List : Non-stick paint for T-88? =0A>=C2-=0A>Is there such a thing that can be applied over the wooden parts of a rib jig that would prevent the glue fro m sticking to them? =0A>=C2-=0A>Dan Helsper =0A>Puryear, TN=0A>=C2-=0A> =C2- =0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0A>http://fo rums.matronics.com =0A>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A>=C2-=0A> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Atp: //forums.matronics.com=0A_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A ================ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol T-shirts from Brodhead 2013 From: "K5YAC" What... no sweat shirts? -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406534#406534 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? From: "K5YAC" Seriously? I've often thought that a Tailwind might be my second project. There are a couple of nice looking examples around these parts that really get me thinking about it once in a while. Some that have heard me mention this have asked, "Have you ever tried to get in one?" No, I have not... but that didn't stop me from building a Piet either. Aside from the overall looks and performance, I guess I am under the impression that Steve Wittman was a tall fellow and that I could fly whatever he flew... not sure where I got that idea, because looking at photos of him with others, like Pietenpol, it is pretty clear that he was not real tall. Oh well, maybe I'll get to climb in one sometime. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406537#406537 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Non-stick paint for T-88? From: Rick Holland I covered my entire rib jig plywood and rib plan with a piece of plexiglass from home depot, then screwed and nailed the blocks and cams to that. rh On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 8:10 AM, wrote: > Is there such a thing that can be applied over the wooden parts of a rib > jig that would prevent the glue from sticking to them? > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? From: Jack I actually have the plans for a Stewart Headwind. Nice article here http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/ Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Aug 12, 2013, at 2:32 PM, "K5YAC" wrote: > > Seriously? I've often thought that a Tailwind might be my second project. There are a couple of nice looking examples around these parts that really get me thinking about it once in a while. > > Some that have heard me mention this have asked, "Have you ever tried to g et in one?" No, I have not... but that didn't stop me from building a Piet e ither. Aside from the overall looks and performance, I guess I am under the impression that Steve Wittman was a tall fellow and that I could fly whatev er he flew... not sure where I got that idea, because looking at photos of h im with others, like Pietenpol, it is pretty clear that he was not real tall . Oh well, maybe I'll get to climb in one sometime. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landin g Gear > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406537#406537 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? From: "Bill Church" Headwind ... Tailwind ... what's the difference? :) BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406554#406554 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:20 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex PainT Update I just updated my site with the slides and text from the Airventure latex painting forum. I hope you find them useful. http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Latex.htm Malcolm Morrison ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? From: "jarheadpilot82" Jack, Which issue of "The Experimenter" are you referring to? Your link goes to the main page, not a specific issue. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406560#406560 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? From: "Bill Church" I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Jack was referring to the issue with the Headwind on the cover. :) (December 2012 - bottom row, near the center). BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406562#406562 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? From: Jack I think December the one with the Headwind on the cover Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Aug 12, 2013, at 6:33 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > Jack, > > Which issue of "The Experimenter" are you referring to? Your link goes to the main page, not a specific issue. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406560#406560 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88? From: "jarheadpilot82" Bill, Pretty easy limb to go out on, if you know what a Stewart Headwind is and what it looks like. Thanks for clearing it up. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406566#406566 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinges From: "Pietflyer1977" Thanks for everyones input and pictures. Has been help and given me some ideas. Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406567#406567 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine From: "Bill Weeden" My dad built an AirCamper with a LeBlond 5-cylinder radial engine. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406569#406569 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine From: "taildrags" Holy cow! Did you see the EMPTY weight of that Kinner powered Piet with the rounded tail surfaces and J-3 wings? 1278 pounds!!! Add a pilot and fuel and it's up around 1550 all-up weight! It's flying with 1.4G loading on the structure in straight and level flight ;o) A steep turn from base to final and it's at the 3.8G limit for normal category loading... -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406577#406577 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine From: "taildrags" Clif: C-GHBD needs a centersection cutout or a flop. 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