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1. 03:12 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol T-shirts from Brodhead 2013 (Jack Phillips)
2. 03:35 AM - Re: simple prop balancer and tracking (Michael Perez)
3. 04:21 AM - C85-12F For Sale on eBay $4500 (Jack)
4. 05:28 AM - flop hinge (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 05:32 AM - Re: Scott's method for prop balancing. (Mario Giacummo)
6. 05:44 AM - Re: simple prop balancer and tracking (Mario Giacummo)
7. 05:58 AM - Re: simple prop balancer and tracking (Mario Giacummo)
8. 06:50 AM - Missing posts (Bill Church)
9. 07:14 AM - Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges (John Francis)
10. 07:47 AM - Re: ford oil pressure (bender)
11. 08:31 AM - Re: Scott's method for prop balancing. (Jack)
12. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges (Jack)
13. 08:58 AM - For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Toddster)
14. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges (Gary Boothe)
15. 09:10 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Mario Giacummo)
16. 09:13 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Rick Holland)
17. 09:19 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (TOM STINEMETZE)
18. 09:20 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (AircamperN11MS)
19. 09:43 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Gary Boothe)
20. 10:09 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (DandD Boyd)
21. 10:22 AM - Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges (jarheadpilot82)
22. 10:34 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Rick)
23. 12:52 PM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Jack Phillips)
24. 01:31 PM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Chuck Campbell)
25. 02:11 PM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (danhelsper@aol.com)
26. 02:16 PM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Ben Charvet)
27. 03:56 PM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (airlion2@gmail.com)
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol T-shirts from Brodhead 2013 |
Except this year it was in February...
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Weeden
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol T-shirts from Brodhead 2013
I found a 2XL shirt and a SMALL (one of each) in my stash. They have been
added to the store.
And no sweatshirts, sorry. It's a one weekend event in July in Wisconsin.
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Subject: | Re: simple prop balancer and tracking |
Dan, what do you think I am making the support fixture out of!?=0A=0A-=0A
Michael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.
com=0A=0ADo not archive=0A
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Subject: | C85-12F For Sale on eBay $4500 |
Know nothing about it, looks to be a good engine and price...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300949544643?item=300949544643&viewitem=&sspagename
ADME:B:SS:US:3160&vxp=mtr
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
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Oscar, I too have been surprised by my flop.
I routinely forget to lower it when I start the engine and the propwash will
"wang" the flop down hard. Each time this happens, the forces in essence
want to pull the hinge screws out. I had to retighten them after only
thirty hours or so due to my forgetfulness. I used longer screws, a little
glue on each and added more foam padding so when it bangs down, I still have
to pull it a little further into the foam to get the latch to catch, AND I'm
trying to be more careful. Now I only forget about 25% of the time.
Douwe
Ps. Does anyone know anything about dynamically balancing a prop???
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Subject: | Re: Scott's method for prop balancing. |
If you have any doubt another "little help" http://bcove.me/axgovbmt
Mario Giacummo
2013/8/15 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> That is another great way to balance a prop Scott and I've used that
> method. I made up a gidgee (technical term for prop hub fitting) whereby
> I hung my Corby Starlet prop assembly from a cable and simply drilled a
> hole and put a bolt, lockwasher, and nut on the spinner back plate at a
> position which brought the cable into the center of my gidgee and balanced
> the whole deal very nicely.
>
>
> Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: simple prop balancer and tracking |
Yes, with tha plane behind ;0)))
Two things about balancing it; instance of using two sharp blades, I use a
couple of al tubes, very easy to find (or something similar) and in the
contact point with the prop axis, very, very, very sharp, may be more sharp
than a sharp blade, mathematicaly just 1 point. you have to see it
balancing side to side until stop, lots of minuets.
regards
Mario Giacummo
2013/8/15 Jack <jack@textors.com>
> Mario, wish you could bring it to the states!
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
> On Aug 15, 2013, at 2:18 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners
,
> LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
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> That=92s it Mario! Super simple and it will give you a very smooth
> running prop. I LOVE that wood prop with the metal hub. You have****
>
> a very rare thing in that from what little I know about those kinds of
> props. Way cool. Great look!!!****
>
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> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<owner-pietenpol-list-ser
ver@matronics.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Mario Giacummo
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> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:20 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: simple prop balancer and tracking****
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> 2013/8/15 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <
> michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>****
>
> Mike-- Last spring I refinished and balanced my prop. You are more than
> welcome to borrow my simple rubber stopper prop balancer that I used with
a
> vise as a knife edge w/ angle irons sharpened. ****
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> I simply added a dab of varnish to the 'light' blade over the course of 2
> days, let dry and it was in perfect balance. What is just as critical, i
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> not moresoe, to a smooth running prop is tracking****
>
> the blade which we can do together if you'd like. All we need is a brown
> shopping bag to tear up and a torque wrench. These two methods will
> result in a wonderfully smooth running prop. My Uncle****
>
> Tony shows both of these methods in his books and they work great. ****
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:40 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dynamic balancing ?****
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Subject: | Re: simple prop balancer and tracking |
For those of you showing interest in this "strange" prop.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/1dC6y4e-0MFBLxlMm95OtAl5OWFdmCpnBx0l_E2HsfSc
GiMt3npKBLXZVKruG/edit?usp=sharing
Mario Giacummo
2013/8/15 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> That=92s it Mario! Super simple and it will give you a very smooth
> running prop. I LOVE that wood prop with the metal hub. You have****
>
> a very rare thing in that from what little I know about those kinds of
> props. Way cool. Great look!!!****
>
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>
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> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mario Giacummo
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:20 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: simple prop balancer and tracking****
>
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> 2013/8/15 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <
> michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>****
>
> Mike-- Last spring I refinished and balanced my prop. You are more than
> welcome to borrow my simple rubber stopper prop balancer that I used with
a
> vise as a knife edge w/ angle irons sharpened. ****
>
> ****
>
> I simply added a dab of varnish to the 'light' blade over the course of 2
> days, let dry and it was in perfect balance. What is just as critical, i
f
> not moresoe, to a smooth running prop is tracking****
>
> the blade which we can do together if you'd like. All we need is a brown
> shopping bag to tear up and a torque wrench. These two methods will
> result in a wonderfully smooth running prop. My Uncle****
>
> Tony shows both of these methods in his books and they work great. ****
>
> ****
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> Mike C.****
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:40 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dynamic balancing ?****
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Seems like some posts are getting to some people, but not others.
I assume that the messages went through to those getting the "real time" emails,
but they're missing on the Forum.
For example:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=98974
There are several responses to messages that don't appear in the thread (yet, the
missing messages are quoted in the responses).
BC
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Subject: | Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges |
The Pietenpol Gods must have intervened. I just received an email from WW that
my distributor was being mailed today. Not which one of you is God?
John
--------
John Francis
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Subject: | Re: ford oil pressure |
Classic summery Oscar..
the way the oil drain from the front main into the dipper pan i'm sure I can eliminate
the one tube.
I got it all together and running ..again ..and the front main seal is leaking
again... during the running it appears to have turned under I guess.. a bit of
the seal is sticking out the wrong way and it wasn't when I first started it...
it's just about to win. This whole business of disassembly and reassembly for
a "modern" $12 seal is killing me. wish it still had a slinger on it.
oil steam.. and iron..
jeff
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Subject: | Re: Scott's method for prop balancing. |
Thanks Mario!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Aug 16, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> wrote
:
> If you have any doubt another "little help" http://bcove.me/axgovbmt
>
>
>
>
> Mario Giacummo
>
>
>
> 2013/8/15 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy
@nasa.gov>
>> That is another great way to balance a prop Scott and I've used that meth
od. I made up a gidgee (technical term for prop hub fitting) whereby
>> I hung my Corby Starlet prop assembly from a cable and simply drilled a h
ole and put a bolt, lockwasher, and nut on the spinner back plate at a
>> position which brought the cable into the center of my gidgee and balance
d the whole deal very nicely.
>>
>>
>> Mike C.
>>
>>
>> <Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 1.jpg> <Picture (Device Independe
nt Bitmap) 2.jpg>
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Subject: | Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges |
I think William...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:13 AM, "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
> The Pietenpol Gods must have intervened. I just received an email from WW that
my distributor was being mailed today. Not which one of you is God?
>
> John
>
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> John Francis
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406847#406847
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Subject: | For those of you who finished where did you start building? |
I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.
I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback from
those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft.
My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time consuming
task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively) quickly
when starting out.
Suggestions?
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Subject: | Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges |
It's Friday...You can't provoke me!
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
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> I think William...
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
> On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:13 AM, "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The Pietenpol Gods must have intervened. I just received an email from WW that
my distributor was being mailed today. Not which one of you is God?
>>
>> John
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>> --------
>> John Francis
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406847#406847
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Subject: | Re: For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
Anywhere, even in the kitchen; belive it or not ;o)
Mario Giacummo
2013/8/16 Toddster <ToddKammerdiener@msn.com>
> >
>
> I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.
> I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some
> feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of
> their aircraft.
>
> My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most
> time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done
> (relatively) quickly when starting out.
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855
>
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Subject: | Re: For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
Start with the ribs, only need a 6'x2' table top/workbench somewhere. Why
wait till Feb? Your initial investment (after buying the plans) would be a
couple hundred bucks worth of 1/4" x 1/2" strips, a 2'x2' piece of 1/16"
ply and some T-88 epoxy (and a 2x6' piece of 3/4" ply from a construction
dumpster for your rib jig).
rh
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Toddster <ToddKammerdiener@msn.com> wrote:
> >
>
> I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.
> I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some
> feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of
> their aircraft.
>
> My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most
> time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done
> (relatively) quickly when starting out.
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: | Re: For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
Todd:
I found it inspiring to do the tail feathers first. They are smaller to work with
but are composed of the same elements that you will be dealing with in all
the other parts of the aircraft. Pretty quickly you will have something to hang
on the wall and look at proudly while you are working on other things. Second,
do your rib jig and start fabricating wing ribs. This is a project that
will take a long time to complete but you will be able to jig up and glue up
a rib in an evening and then be able to work on other things while that rib is
curing.
To each his own but that worked out well for me.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
N328X (maybe 2-years out yet)
>>> "Toddster" <ToddKammerdiener@msn.com> 8/16/2013 10:58 AM >>>
I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.
I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback from
those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft.
My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time consuming
task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively) quickly
when starting out.
Suggestions?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855
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Subject: | Re: For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
Start where you like. We built the Fuse first. It gave us someplace to sit (insert
airplane noises here) and decide how next to proceed. None of the components
take up much space when completed. The ribs make for great winter work
since those can be built in the house where is is typically warmer than the garage
or basement. What ever you start with have fun. The biggest pointer I can
give you is the do something each and every day no matter how small, soon you
will be flying.
Happy building,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
Toddster,
You asked the question correctly..."... those of you who have completed or
are nearing completion...". I have no idea of your background, but am
assuming this is your first hand made A/C...maybe even your first personally
owned A/C. A good habit to start right now is to always filter the advice
you get. Even from this fine group of builders and flyers, you will get
advice from someone who is eager to tell you how to do something that they
have never done. When you get to the airport with your brand new Pietenpol,
that input will be multiplied ten-fold! Ask questions, but be wary.
On this subject, you will get opinions all over the board. There's no right
answer. I can only say that I started with tail parts, then moved to
fuselage, then wings. Next time I might put the wings ahead of fuselage, as
they are easy to store. The tail parts are fun and easy, and you can proudly
carry any one of them into the house, remove your wife's quilt from the
living room wall, and hang something interesting! :-0
Have you looked at www.westcoastpiet.com?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Toddster
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start
building?
--> <ToddKammerdiener@msn.com>
I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.
I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback
from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their
aircraft.
My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most
time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done
(relatively) quickly when starting out.
Suggestions?
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Subject: | Re: For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
I started with the vertical stabilizer because it was easy and a way to
begin to develop my knowledge and skills. Then I finished all the tail
feathers before starting on ribs. The fuse came last. 13 years to first
flight last November. If I didn't have to work for a living and get 6 kids
through college I'm sure I could have done it quicker; like maybe 12
years....
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Toddster <ToddKammerdiener@msn.com> wrote:
> >
>
> I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.
> I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some
> feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of
> their aircraft.
>
> My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most
> time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done
> (relatively) quickly when starting out.
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855
>
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Subject: | Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges |
Ryan, Oscar, and others have said as much, but I will add my 2 and 1/2 cents, and
I will keep it short (Honest, Ryan. I promise. [Wink] )
In my limited experience with William he is all that Kevin and others have said
and more. I have learned much from just speaking with him and reading his blog,
and not just about Corvairs. Philosophy of building and maintaining, among
other things.
But the one thing he is not is a Johnny-on-the-spot communicator for all of the
reasons Ryan wrote. If that is what you must have to do business with him then
you should probably move on. But you will miss out on your aviation education
by doing so.
However, if you can be patient and accepting of William's way of doing things,
it will be well worth it. And if you need a part ASAP, let him know and he will
make it happen
Sorry, Ryan. I went longer than I meant to, but it was for a mutual friend. :D
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
That's what worked for me. I made up my rib jig and did the ribs and then the tail
feathers.
Rick Schreiber
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 16, 2013, at 11:18 AM, "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
>
> Todd:
>
> I found it inspiring to do the tail feathers first. They are smaller to work
with but are composed of the same elements that you will be dealing with in all
the other parts of the aircraft. Pretty quickly you will have something to
hang on the wall and look at proudly while you are working on other things.
Second, do your rib jig and start fabricating wing ribs. This is a project that
will take a long time to complete but you will be able to jig up and glue up
a rib in an evening and then be able to work on other things while that rib
is curing.
>
> To each his own but that worked out well for me.
> Tom Stinemetze
> McPherson, KS.
> N328X (maybe 2-years out yet)
>
>>>> "Toddster" <ToddKammerdiener@msn.com> 8/16/2013 10:58 AM >>>
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> I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.
> I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback
from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft.
>
> My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time
consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively)
quickly when starting out.
>
> Suggestions?
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855
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Subject: | For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
Todd,
You've already gotten lot's of good advice. It doesn't really matter where
you start. I did ribs first, then wings, then tail, then centersection,
then fuselage, but it really doesn't matter. Just break it down into a
bunch of small manageable projects. It's a whole lot easier to think about
building a rib than the enormity of building a whole airplane.
As Scott said, try to do something on it every day, just to keep your mind
in it. If you stop working on it for a few days, that can easily turn into
a few weeks or months and pretty soon you don't know what you were working
on last and it becomes difficult to get back into it. I've got a brother
who has had a Hatz biplane almost ready to cover for 27 years, because he
"took a break" from it back in 1986 when his daughter was born. Now it
looks like an enormous project to him.
One thing to consider if you are getting your wood from one of the big
companies like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks is that shipping is very expensive,
so it might pay to order all your long pieces (spars and longerons, and big
sheets of aircraft plywood) together if possible, to reduce the shipping
costs. Tail pieces are easy to store, as are wing ribs. A completed wing
can be hung from a wall or the ceiling. The fuselage is the most cumbersome
of the main pieces of the airplane so if you have cramped building quarters,
that might be the deciding factor as to where to start.
As for doing the wings first because it seems to be the most time consuming
task, what you will find is that building all the structure takes less than
half the time to finish the airplane. Builders commonly are at the point in
their project where they are "90% done and 90% to go". That happens about
the point where all the structure is complete. Designing, fabricating and
installing all the systems (fuel system, brakes, controls, electrical system
if so equipped, instruments, etc.) takes a large amount of time, as does
covering and painting.
Just enjoy the process. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get it flying -
there will be plenty of time for that. You may find, as several of us have,
that without an airplane project to work on you feel a bit lost, after your
Pietenpol is done and flying. I'm now building one of the Van's RV's (Ramp
Vermin), but I find building a kit to be much less satisfying than building
from scratch.
Before Mike Cuy can say it, I'll advise that you buy at least the first two
of the Tony Bingelis books (available from EAA), The Sportplane Builder and
Sportplane Construction Techniques. There you will find many of your
questions answered in generous detail. And attend the annual Pietenpol
Fly-in in Brodhead, Wisconsin. There you will typically see a couple of
dozen Pietenpols, and no two are alike.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Toddster
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start
building?
I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.
I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback
from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their
aircraft.
My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most
time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done
(relatively) quickly when starting out.
Suggestions?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855
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Subject: | For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
Todd=2C I started on the tail surfaces. Next=2C I did the wing ribs -- the
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Jack's advice -- I last worked on my project last October. Wife and I bot
h had cancers removed and we bought a new house nearer to our kids. Am now
in the process of selling the old house. The "project" is now in storage
in a grandson's garage. Gotta get started back on it. Maybe this fall aft
er the closing on our house. Chuck
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Subject: | Re: For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
Todd,
Build the ribs first, then the tail feathers, then wings, then fuselage las
t.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Toddster <ToddKammerdiener@msn.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 12:05 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start
building?
I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.
I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedbac
k
from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their
aircraft.
My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most ti
me
consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively
)
quickly when starting out.
Suggestions?
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Subject: | Re: For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
Welcome to the group, Todd
I made a mock-up fuselage first out of some cheap lumber, just to get my
carpentry skills up. After I cut that up I started on the wing ribs,
thinking that if I had the stamina to finish those, I could complete the
whole project. I think it took me about 40 days to get them complete,
then I started on the real fuselage. Be sure to make lots of practice
ribs. I have extras hanging in my living room, office, and hangar now.
I milled my own lumber and built my Piet out of Douglas Fir. It takes a
little longer but saved me a lot of money and my final weight was a
little under 700 lbs. As Jack Mentioned, the woodworking goes fast, and
doesn't cost much. Its the other 90% where 90% of the money goes. Keep
plugging away and before you know it you are committing vintage aviation
Ben Charvet
NX866BC A-65
180 hrs in 3 years
On 8/16/2013 11:58 AM, Toddster wrote:
>
> I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.
> I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback
from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft.
>
> My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time
consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively)
quickly when starting out.
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Subject: | Re: For those of you who finished where did you start |
building?
Jack, a friend of mine here building a gn needs a prop for his a65 . I sugge
sted. A cloud cars. Don t you have one and what kind of performance do you g
et out of it? Cheers, gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:51 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrot
e:
> Todd,
>
> You've already gotten lot's of good advice. It doesn't really matter wher
e you start. I did ribs first, then wings, then tail, then centersection, t
hen fuselage, but it really doesn't matter. Just break it down into a bunch
of small manageable projects. It's a whole lot easier to think about build
ing a rib than the enormity of building a whole airplane.
>
> As Scott said, try to do something on it every day, just to keep your mind
in it. If you stop working on it for a few days, that can easily turn into
a few weeks or months and pretty soon you don't know what you were working o
n last and it becomes difficult to get back into it. I've got a brother who
has had a Hatz biplane almost ready to cover for 27 years, because he "took
a break" from it back in 1986 when his daughter was born. Now it looks lik
e an enormous project to him.
>
> One thing to consider if you are getting your wood from one of the big com
panies like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks is that shipping is very expensive, so i
t might pay to order all your long pieces (spars and longerons, and big shee
ts of aircraft plywood) together if possible, to reduce the shipping costs.
Tail pieces are easy to store, as are wing ribs. A completed wing can be h
ung from a wall or the ceiling. The fuselage is the most cumbersome of the m
ain pieces of the airplane so if you have cramped building quarters, that mi
ght be the deciding factor as to where to start.
>
> As for doing the wings first because it seems to be the most time consumin
g task, what you will find is that building all the structure takes less tha
n half the time to finish the airplane. Builders commonly are at the point i
n their project where they are "90% done and 90% to go". That happens about
the point where all the structure is complete. Designing, fabricating and i
nstalling all the systems (fuel system, brakes, controls, electrical system i
f so equipped, instruments, etc.) takes a large amount of time, as does cove
ring and painting.
>
> Just enjoy the process. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get it flying -
there will be plenty of time for that. You may find, as several of us have
, that without an airplane project to work on you feel a bit lost, after you
r Pietenpol is done and flying. I'm now building one of the Van's RV's (Ram
p Vermin), but I find building a kit to be much less satisfying than buildin
g from scratch.
>
> Before Mike Cuy can say it, I'll advise that you buy at least the first tw
o of the Tony Bingelis books (available from EAA), The Sportplane Builder an
d Sportplane Construction Techniques. There you will find many of your ques
tions answered in generous detail. And attend the annual Pietenpol Fly-in i
n Brodhead, Wisconsin. There you will typically see a couple of dozen Piete
npols, and no two are alike.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Toddster
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:58 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start
building?
>
>
>
> I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.
> I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedba
ck from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their a
ircraft.
>
> My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most t
ime consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relativ
ely) quickly when starting out.
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855
>
>
>
>
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