---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/16/13: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:12 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol T-shirts from Brodhead 2013 (Jack Phillips) 2. 03:35 AM - Re: simple prop balancer and tracking (Michael Perez) 3. 04:21 AM - C85-12F For Sale on eBay $4500 (Jack) 4. 05:28 AM - flop hinge (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 05:32 AM - Re: Scott's method for prop balancing. (Mario Giacummo) 6. 05:44 AM - Re: simple prop balancer and tracking (Mario Giacummo) 7. 05:58 AM - Re: simple prop balancer and tracking (Mario Giacummo) 8. 06:50 AM - Missing posts (Bill Church) 9. 07:14 AM - Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges (John Francis) 10. 07:47 AM - Re: ford oil pressure (bender) 11. 08:31 AM - Re: Scott's method for prop balancing. (Jack) 12. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges (Jack) 13. 08:58 AM - For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Toddster) 14. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges (Gary Boothe) 15. 09:10 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Mario Giacummo) 16. 09:13 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Rick Holland) 17. 09:19 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (TOM STINEMETZE) 18. 09:20 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (AircamperN11MS) 19. 09:43 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Gary Boothe) 20. 10:09 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (DandD Boyd) 21. 10:22 AM - Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges (jarheadpilot82) 22. 10:34 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Rick) 23. 12:52 PM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Jack Phillips) 24. 01:31 PM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Chuck Campbell) 25. 02:11 PM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (danhelsper@aol.com) 26. 02:16 PM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Ben Charvet) 27. 03:56 PM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (airlion2@gmail.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:41 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol T-shirts from Brodhead 2013 Except this year it was in February... Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Weeden Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol T-shirts from Brodhead 2013 I found a 2XL shirt and a SMALL (one of each) in my stash. They have been added to the store. And no sweatshirts, sorry. It's a one weekend event in July in Wisconsin. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406819#406819 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:15 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: simple prop balancer and tracking Dan, what do you think I am making the support fixture out of!?=0A=0A-=0A Michael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero. com=0A=0ADo not archive=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:28 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: C85-12F For Sale on eBay $4500 Know nothing about it, looks to be a good engine and price... http://www.ebay.com/itm/300949544643?item=300949544643&viewitem=&sspagename ADME:B:SS:US:3160&vxp=mtr Jack Textor Des Moines, IA ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:54 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flop hinge Oscar, I too have been surprised by my flop. I routinely forget to lower it when I start the engine and the propwash will "wang" the flop down hard. Each time this happens, the forces in essence want to pull the hinge screws out. I had to retighten them after only thirty hours or so due to my forgetfulness. I used longer screws, a little glue on each and added more foam padding so when it bangs down, I still have to pull it a little further into the foam to get the latch to catch, AND I'm trying to be more careful. Now I only forget about 25% of the time. Douwe Ps. Does anyone know anything about dynamically balancing a prop??? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:47 AM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scott's method for prop balancing. If you have any doubt another "little help" http://bcove.me/axgovbmt Mario Giacummo 2013/8/15 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] < michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> > That is another great way to balance a prop Scott and I've used that > method. I made up a gidgee (technical term for prop hub fitting) whereby > I hung my Corby Starlet prop assembly from a cable and simply drilled a > hole and put a bolt, lockwasher, and nut on the spinner back plate at a > position which brought the cable into the center of my gidgee and balanced > the whole deal very nicely. > > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:38 AM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: simple prop balancer and tracking Yes, with tha plane behind ;0))) Two things about balancing it; instance of using two sharp blades, I use a couple of al tubes, very easy to find (or something similar) and in the contact point with the prop axis, very, very, very sharp, may be more sharp than a sharp blade, mathematicaly just 1 point. you have to see it balancing side to side until stop, lots of minuets. regards Mario Giacummo 2013/8/15 Jack > Mario, wish you could bring it to the states! > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Aug 15, 2013, at 2:18 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners , > LLC]" wrote: > > That=92s it Mario! Super simple and it will give you a very smooth > running prop. I LOVE that wood prop with the metal hub. You have**** > > a very rare thing in that from what little I know about those kinds of > props. Way cool. Great look!!!**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] > *On Behalf Of *Mario Giacummo > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:20 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: simple prop balancer and tracking**** > > ** ** > > Another one.. the same perhaps?**** > > ** ** > > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/2013/04/helice-balanceo.html**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > > **** > > ** ** > > Mario Giacummo**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > 2013/8/15 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] < > michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>**** > > Mike-- Last spring I refinished and balanced my prop. You are more than > welcome to borrow my simple rubber stopper prop balancer that I used with a > vise as a knife edge w/ angle irons sharpened. **** > > **** > > I simply added a dab of varnish to the 'light' blade over the course of 2 > days, let dry and it was in perfect balance. What is just as critical, i f > not moresoe, to a smooth running prop is tracking**** > > the blade which we can do together if you'd like. All we need is a brown > shopping bag to tear up and a torque wrench. These two methods will > result in a wonderfully smooth running prop. My Uncle**** > > Tony shows both of these methods in his books and they work great. **** > > **** > > Mike C.**** > > **** > > (I=92ll stop by the hangar tonight and pick this up for you) **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:40 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dynamic balancing ?**** > > **** > > > **** > > **** > > **** > > On 08/15/2013 09:35 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:**** > > **** > > > My three cents, Now lets go flying.**** > > **** > > Hear, hear!**** > > **** > > **** > > ==================== bsp; - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - nd much much > more: tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ======= ============ > bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - eb Forums! .matronics.com"> > http://forums.matronics.com =============== ===== bsp; - List > Contribution Web Site - o:p> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List > Admin. tronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================== > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > ** ** > > * > =========== > =========== =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:44 AM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: simple prop balancer and tracking For those of you showing interest in this "strange" prop. https://docs.google.com/file/d/1dC6y4e-0MFBLxlMm95OtAl5OWFdmCpnBx0l_E2HsfSc GiMt3npKBLXZVKruG/edit?usp=sharing Mario Giacummo 2013/8/15 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] < michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> > That=92s it Mario! Super simple and it will give you a very smooth > running prop. I LOVE that wood prop with the metal hub. You have**** > > a very rare thing in that from what little I know about those kinds of > props. Way cool. Great look!!!**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mario Giacummo > *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:20 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: simple prop balancer and tracking**** > > ** ** > > Another one.. the same perhaps?**** > > ** ** > > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/2013/04/helice-balanceo.html**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > > **** > > ** ** > > Mario Giacummo**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > 2013/8/15 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] < > michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>**** > > Mike-- Last spring I refinished and balanced my prop. You are more than > welcome to borrow my simple rubber stopper prop balancer that I used with a > vise as a knife edge w/ angle irons sharpened. **** > > **** > > I simply added a dab of varnish to the 'light' blade over the course of 2 > days, let dry and it was in perfect balance. What is just as critical, i f > not moresoe, to a smooth running prop is tracking**** > > the blade which we can do together if you'd like. All we need is a brown > shopping bag to tear up and a torque wrench. These two methods will > result in a wonderfully smooth running prop. My Uncle**** > > Tony shows both of these methods in his books and they work great. **** > > **** > > Mike C.**** > > **** > > (I=92ll stop by the hangar tonight and pick this up for you) **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:40 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dynamic balancing ?**** > > **** > > > **** > > **** > > **** > > On 08/15/2013 09:35 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:**** > > **** > > > My three cents, Now lets go flying.**** > > **** > > Hear, hear!**** > > **** > > **** > > ==================== bsp; - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - nd much much > more: tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ======= ============ > bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - eb Forums! .matronics.com"> > http://forums.matronics.com =============== ===== bsp; - List > Contribution Web Site - o:p> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List > Admin. tronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================== > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > ** ** > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Missing posts From: "Bill Church" Seems like some posts are getting to some people, but not others. I assume that the messages went through to those getting the "real time" emails, but they're missing on the Forum. For example: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=98974 There are several responses to messages that don't appear in the thread (yet, the missing messages are quoted in the responses). BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406846#406846 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges From: "John Francis" The Pietenpol Gods must have intervened. I just received an email from WW that my distributor was being mailed today. Not which one of you is God? John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406847#406847 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ford oil pressure From: "bender" Classic summery Oscar.. the way the oil drain from the front main into the dipper pan i'm sure I can eliminate the one tube. I got it all together and running ..again ..and the front main seal is leaking again... during the running it appears to have turned under I guess.. a bit of the seal is sticking out the wrong way and it wasn't when I first started it... it's just about to win. This whole business of disassembly and reassembly for a "modern" $12 seal is killing me. wish it still had a slinger on it. oil steam.. and iron.. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406849#406849 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scott's method for prop balancing. From: Jack Thanks Mario! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Aug 16, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Mario Giacummo wrote : > If you have any doubt another "little help" http://bcove.me/axgovbmt > > > > > Mario Giacummo > > > > 2013/8/15 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] >> That is another great way to balance a prop Scott and I've used that meth od. I made up a gidgee (technical term for prop hub fitting) whereby >> I hung my Corby Starlet prop assembly from a cable and simply drilled a h ole and put a bolt, lockwasher, and nut on the spinner back plate at a >> position which brought the cable into the center of my gidgee and balance d the whole deal very nicely. >> >> >> Mike C. >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges From: Jack I think William... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:13 AM, "John Francis" wrote: > > The Pietenpol Gods must have intervened. I just received an email from WW that my distributor was being mailed today. Not which one of you is God? > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406847#406847 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? From: "Toddster" I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft. My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively) quickly when starting out. Suggestions? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges From: Gary Boothe It's Friday...You can't provoke me! Gary Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Jack wrote: > > I think William... > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:13 AM, "John Francis" wrote: > >> >> The Pietenpol Gods must have intervened. I just received an email from WW that my distributor was being mailed today. Not which one of you is God? >> >> John >> >> -------- >> John Francis >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406847#406847 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:29 AM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? Anywhere, even in the kitchen; belive it or not ;o) Mario Giacummo 2013/8/16 Toddster > > > > I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. > I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some > feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of > their aircraft. > > My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most > time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done > (relatively) quickly when starting out. > > Suggestions? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? From: Rick Holland Start with the ribs, only need a 6'x2' table top/workbench somewhere. Why wait till Feb? Your initial investment (after buying the plans) would be a couple hundred bucks worth of 1/4" x 1/2" strips, a 2'x2' piece of 1/16" ply and some T-88 epoxy (and a 2x6' piece of 3/4" ply from a construction dumpster for your rib jig). rh On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Toddster wrote: > > > > I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. > I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some > feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of > their aircraft. > > My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most > time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done > (relatively) quickly when starting out. > > Suggestions? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:05 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? Todd: I found it inspiring to do the tail feathers first. They are smaller to work with but are composed of the same elements that you will be dealing with in all the other parts of the aircraft. Pretty quickly you will have something to hang on the wall and look at proudly while you are working on other things. Second, do your rib jig and start fabricating wing ribs. This is a project that will take a long time to complete but you will be able to jig up and glue up a rib in an evening and then be able to work on other things while that rib is curing. To each his own but that worked out well for me. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. N328X (maybe 2-years out yet) >>> "Toddster" 8/16/2013 10:58 AM >>> I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft. My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively) quickly when starting out. Suggestions? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? From: "AircamperN11MS" Start where you like. We built the Fuse first. It gave us someplace to sit (insert airplane noises here) and decide how next to proceed. None of the components take up much space when completed. The ribs make for great winter work since those can be built in the house where is is typically warmer than the garage or basement. What ever you start with have fun. The biggest pointer I can give you is the do something each and every day no matter how small, soon you will be flying. Happy building, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406859#406859 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:37 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? Toddster, You asked the question correctly..."... those of you who have completed or are nearing completion...". I have no idea of your background, but am assuming this is your first hand made A/C...maybe even your first personally owned A/C. A good habit to start right now is to always filter the advice you get. Even from this fine group of builders and flyers, you will get advice from someone who is eager to tell you how to do something that they have never done. When you get to the airport with your brand new Pietenpol, that input will be multiplied ten-fold! Ask questions, but be wary. On this subject, you will get opinions all over the board. There's no right answer. I can only say that I started with tail parts, then moved to fuselage, then wings. Next time I might put the wings ahead of fuselage, as they are easy to store. The tail parts are fun and easy, and you can proudly carry any one of them into the house, remove your wife's quilt from the living room wall, and hang something interesting! :-0 Have you looked at www.westcoastpiet.com? Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Toddster Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? --> I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft. My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively) quickly when starting out. Suggestions? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? From: DandD Boyd I started with the vertical stabilizer because it was easy and a way to begin to develop my knowledge and skills. Then I finished all the tail feathers before starting on ribs. The fuse came last. 13 years to first flight last November. If I didn't have to work for a living and get 6 kids through college I'm sure I could have done it quicker; like maybe 12 years.... On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Toddster wrote: > > > > I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. > I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some > feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of > their aircraft. > > My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most > time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done > (relatively) quickly when starting out. > > Suggestions? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges From: "jarheadpilot82" Ryan, Oscar, and others have said as much, but I will add my 2 and 1/2 cents, and I will keep it short (Honest, Ryan. I promise. [Wink] ) In my limited experience with William he is all that Kevin and others have said and more. I have learned much from just speaking with him and reading his blog, and not just about Corvairs. Philosophy of building and maintaining, among other things. But the one thing he is not is a Johnny-on-the-spot communicator for all of the reasons Ryan wrote. If that is what you must have to do business with him then you should probably move on. But you will miss out on your aviation education by doing so. However, if you can be patient and accepting of William's way of doing things, it will be well worth it. And if you need a part ASAP, let him know and he will make it happen Sorry, Ryan. I went longer than I meant to, but it was for a mutual friend. :D -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406865#406865 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? From: Rick That's what worked for me. I made up my rib jig and did the ribs and then the tail feathers. Rick Schreiber Sent from my iPad On Aug 16, 2013, at 11:18 AM, "TOM STINEMETZE" wrote: > > Todd: > > I found it inspiring to do the tail feathers first. They are smaller to work with but are composed of the same elements that you will be dealing with in all the other parts of the aircraft. Pretty quickly you will have something to hang on the wall and look at proudly while you are working on other things. Second, do your rib jig and start fabricating wing ribs. This is a project that will take a long time to complete but you will be able to jig up and glue up a rib in an evening and then be able to work on other things while that rib is curing. > > To each his own but that worked out well for me. > Tom Stinemetze > McPherson, KS. > N328X (maybe 2-years out yet) > >>>> "Toddster" 8/16/2013 10:58 AM >>> > > I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. > I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft. > > My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively) quickly when starting out. > > Suggestions? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:36 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? Todd, You've already gotten lot's of good advice. It doesn't really matter where you start. I did ribs first, then wings, then tail, then centersection, then fuselage, but it really doesn't matter. Just break it down into a bunch of small manageable projects. It's a whole lot easier to think about building a rib than the enormity of building a whole airplane. As Scott said, try to do something on it every day, just to keep your mind in it. If you stop working on it for a few days, that can easily turn into a few weeks or months and pretty soon you don't know what you were working on last and it becomes difficult to get back into it. I've got a brother who has had a Hatz biplane almost ready to cover for 27 years, because he "took a break" from it back in 1986 when his daughter was born. Now it looks like an enormous project to him. One thing to consider if you are getting your wood from one of the big companies like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks is that shipping is very expensive, so it might pay to order all your long pieces (spars and longerons, and big sheets of aircraft plywood) together if possible, to reduce the shipping costs. Tail pieces are easy to store, as are wing ribs. A completed wing can be hung from a wall or the ceiling. The fuselage is the most cumbersome of the main pieces of the airplane so if you have cramped building quarters, that might be the deciding factor as to where to start. As for doing the wings first because it seems to be the most time consuming task, what you will find is that building all the structure takes less than half the time to finish the airplane. Builders commonly are at the point in their project where they are "90% done and 90% to go". That happens about the point where all the structure is complete. Designing, fabricating and installing all the systems (fuel system, brakes, controls, electrical system if so equipped, instruments, etc.) takes a large amount of time, as does covering and painting. Just enjoy the process. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get it flying - there will be plenty of time for that. You may find, as several of us have, that without an airplane project to work on you feel a bit lost, after your Pietenpol is done and flying. I'm now building one of the Van's RV's (Ramp Vermin), but I find building a kit to be much less satisfying than building from scratch. Before Mike Cuy can say it, I'll advise that you buy at least the first two of the Tony Bingelis books (available from EAA), The Sportplane Builder and Sportplane Construction Techniques. There you will find many of your questions answered in generous detail. And attend the annual Pietenpol Fly-in in Brodhead, Wisconsin. There you will typically see a couple of dozen Pietenpols, and no two are alike. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Toddster Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft. My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively) quickly when starting out. Suggestions? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:02 PM PST US From: Chuck Campbell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? Todd=2C I started on the tail surfaces. Next=2C I did the wing ribs -- the n started on the fulelage. Stopped the fuse to build the wings. Listen to Jack's advice -- I last worked on my project last October. Wife and I bot h had cancers removed and we bought a new house nearer to our kids. Am now in the process of selling the old house. The "project" is now in storage in a grandson's garage. Gotta get started back on it. Maybe this fall aft er the closing on our house. Chuck From: jack@bedfordlandings.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you st art building? =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Todd=2C=0A =0A =0A =0A You've=0A already gotten lot's of good advice. It doesn't really matter where you=0A start. I did ribs first=2C then wings=2C then tail=2C then centersection =2C then=0A fuselage=2C but it really doesn't matter. Just break it down into a bunch =0A of small manageable projects. It's a whole lot easier to think about=0A building a rib than the enormity of building a whole airplane.=0A =0A =0A =0A As=0A Scott said=2C try to do something on it every day=2C just to keep your mind in=0A it. If you stop working on it for a few days=2C that can easily turn into a=0A few weeks or months and pretty soon you don't know what you were working on =0A last and it becomes difficult to get back into it. I've got a brother who =0A has had a Hatz biplane almost ready to cover for 27 years=2C because he=0A "took a break" from it back in 1986 when his daughter was born. =0A Now it looks like an enormous project to him.=0A =0A =0A =0A One=0A thing to consider if you are getting your wood from one of the big companie s=0A like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks is that shipping is very expensive=2C so it m ight=0A pay to order all your long pieces (spars and longerons=2C and big sheets of =0A aircraft plywood) together if possible=2C to reduce the shipping costs. =0A Tail pieces are easy to store=2C as are wing ribs. A completed wing can be =0A hung from a wall or the ceiling. The fuselage is the most cumbersome of=0A the main pieces of the airplane so if you have cramped building quarters=2C that=0A might be the deciding factor as to where to start.=0A =0A =0A =0A As=0A for doing the wings first because it seems to be the most time consuming ta sk=2C=0A what you will find is that building all the structure takes less than half the=0A time to finish the airplane. Builders commonly are at the point in their =0A project where they are "90% done and 90% to go". That happens=0A about the point where all the structure is complete. Designing=2C=0A fabricating and installing all the systems (fuel system=2C brakes=2C contro ls=2C=0A electrical system if so equipped=2C instruments=2C etc.) takes a large amou nt of=0A time=2C as does covering and painting.=0A =0A =0A =0A Just=0A enjoy the process. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get it flying=0A - there will be plenty of time for that. You may find=2C as several of us =0A have=2C that without an airplane project to work on you feel a bit lost=2C after=0A your Pietenpol is done and flying. I'm now building one of the Van's RV's =0A (Ramp Vermin)=2C but I find building a kit to be much less satisfying than =0A building from scratch.=0A =0A =0A =0A Before=0A Mike Cuy can say it=2C I'll advise that you buy at least the first two of t he=0A Tony Bingelis books (available from EAA)=2C The Sportplane Builder and Spor tplane=0A Construction Techniques. There you will find many of your questions=0A answered in generous detail. And attend the annual Pietenpol Fly-in in Bro dhead=2C Wisconsin. =0A There you will typically see a couple of dozen Pietenpols=2C and no two are =0A alike.=0A =0A =0A =0A Jack=0A Phillips=0A =0A NX899JP=0A =0A Smith Mountain Lake=2C=0A Virginia=0A =0A =0A =0A -----Original=0A Message----- =0A From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Toddster =0A =0A Sent: Friday=2C August 16=2C 2013 11:58 AM =0A =0A Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start =0A building?=0A =0A =0A =0A -->=0A Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Toddster"=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A I=0A am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. =0A =0A I=0A deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback from=0A those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft .=0A =0A =0A =0A My=0A initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time =0A consuming task=2C but it might also be nice to get something done (relative ly)=0A quickly when starting out. =0A =0A =0A =0A Suggestions?=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Read=0A this topic online here:=0A =0A =0A =0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? From: danhelsper@aol.com Todd, Build the ribs first, then the tail feathers, then wings, then fuselage las t. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Toddster Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 12:05 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedbac k from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft. My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most ti me consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively ) quickly when starting out. Suggestions? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:57 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? Welcome to the group, Todd I made a mock-up fuselage first out of some cheap lumber, just to get my carpentry skills up. After I cut that up I started on the wing ribs, thinking that if I had the stamina to finish those, I could complete the whole project. I think it took me about 40 days to get them complete, then I started on the real fuselage. Be sure to make lots of practice ribs. I have extras hanging in my living room, office, and hangar now. I milled my own lumber and built my Piet out of Douglas Fir. It takes a little longer but saved me a lot of money and my final weight was a little under 700 lbs. As Jack Mentioned, the woodworking goes fast, and doesn't cost much. Its the other 90% where 90% of the money goes. Keep plugging away and before you know it you are committing vintage aviation Ben Charvet NX866BC A-65 180 hrs in 3 years On 8/16/2013 11:58 AM, Toddster wrote: > > I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. > I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft. > > My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively) quickly when starting out. > > Suggestions? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? From: airlion2@gmail.com Jack, a friend of mine here building a gn needs a prop for his a65 . I sugge sted. A cloud cars. Don t you have one and what kind of performance do you g et out of it? Cheers, gardiner Sent from my iPad On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:51 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrot e: > Todd, > > You've already gotten lot's of good advice. It doesn't really matter wher e you start. I did ribs first, then wings, then tail, then centersection, t hen fuselage, but it really doesn't matter. Just break it down into a bunch of small manageable projects. It's a whole lot easier to think about build ing a rib than the enormity of building a whole airplane. > > As Scott said, try to do something on it every day, just to keep your mind in it. If you stop working on it for a few days, that can easily turn into a few weeks or months and pretty soon you don't know what you were working o n last and it becomes difficult to get back into it. I've got a brother who has had a Hatz biplane almost ready to cover for 27 years, because he "took a break" from it back in 1986 when his daughter was born. Now it looks lik e an enormous project to him. > > One thing to consider if you are getting your wood from one of the big com panies like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks is that shipping is very expensive, so i t might pay to order all your long pieces (spars and longerons, and big shee ts of aircraft plywood) together if possible, to reduce the shipping costs. Tail pieces are easy to store, as are wing ribs. A completed wing can be h ung from a wall or the ceiling. The fuselage is the most cumbersome of the m ain pieces of the airplane so if you have cramped building quarters, that mi ght be the deciding factor as to where to start. > > As for doing the wings first because it seems to be the most time consumin g task, what you will find is that building all the structure takes less tha n half the time to finish the airplane. Builders commonly are at the point i n their project where they are "90% done and 90% to go". That happens about the point where all the structure is complete. Designing, fabricating and i nstalling all the systems (fuel system, brakes, controls, electrical system i f so equipped, instruments, etc.) takes a large amount of time, as does cove ring and painting. > > Just enjoy the process. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get it flying - there will be plenty of time for that. You may find, as several of us have , that without an airplane project to work on you feel a bit lost, after you r Pietenpol is done and flying. I'm now building one of the Van's RV's (Ram p Vermin), but I find building a kit to be much less satisfying than buildin g from scratch. > > Before Mike Cuy can say it, I'll advise that you buy at least the first tw o of the Tony Bingelis books (available from EAA), The Sportplane Builder an d Sportplane Construction Techniques. There you will find many of your ques tions answered in generous detail. And attend the annual Pietenpol Fly-in i n Brodhead, Wisconsin. There you will typically see a couple of dozen Piete npols, and no two are alike. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Toddster > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:58 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? > > > > I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. > I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedba ck from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their a ircraft. > > My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most t ime consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relativ ely) quickly when starting out. > > Suggestions? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.