---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/17/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:52 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Greg Bacon) 2. 09:51 AM - fuselage mockup (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 11:43 AM - Re: fuselage mockup (Ben Charvet) 4. 12:00 PM - Re: fuselage mockup (John Kuhfahl) 5. 05:44 PM - Re: fuselage mockup (Rick Holland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? From: Greg Bacon Todd, Some things to consider: There are often good deals to be found on unfinished piet projects. Picking up where someone lost interested can save time and money (see attached). You can often find these advertised on Barnstormers ( www.barnstormers.com) and in the Brodhead Pietenpol Association newsletter ( http://www.pietenpols.org/index.html). Over the years, I've seen some good projects sell with lots of extra parts for little money, sometimes cheaper than the cost of the materials! But, be wary of build quality and deviations from the plans. The BPA newsletter is a great resource as well. Subscribe to this. It's a great source of inspiration and building tips. You can also purchase back issues of the newletters. Lastly, check out the suggested reading list here - http://www.pietenpols.org/id1.html. The old "Flying and Glider Manuals" from 1929 thru 1933 are fun reading and full of interesting info. Greg Bacon NX114D, Mountain Piet On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Chuck Campbell wrote: > Todd, I started on the tail surfaces. Next, I did the wing ribs -- then > started on the fulelage. Stopped the fuse to build the wings. Listen to > Jack's advice -- I last worked on my project last October. Wife and I both > had cancers removed and we bought a new house nearer to our kids. Am now > in the process of selling the old house. The "project" is now in storage > in a grandson's garage. Gotta get started back on it. Maybe this fall > after the closing on our house. Chuck > > ------------------------------ > From: jack@bedfordlandings.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you > start building? > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 15:51:56 -0400 > > > Todd, > > > You've already gotten lot's of good advice. It doesn't really matter > where you start. I did ribs first, then wings, then tail, then > centersection, then fuselage, but it really doesn't matter. Just break it > down into a bunch of small manageable projects. It's a whole lot easier to > think about building a rib than the enormity of building a whole airplane. > > > As Scott said, try to do something on it every day, just to keep your mind > in it. If you stop working on it for a few days, that can easily turn into > a few weeks or months and pretty soon you don't know what you were working > on last and it becomes difficult to get back into it. I've got a brother > who has had a Hatz biplane almost ready to cover for 27 years, because he > "took a break" from it back in 1986 when his daughter was born. Now it > looks like an enormous project to him. > > > One thing to consider if you are getting your wood from one of the big > companies like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks is that shipping is very expensive, > so it might pay to order all your long pieces (spars and longerons, and big > sheets of aircraft plywood) together if possible, to reduce the shipping > costs. Tail pieces are easy to store, as are wing ribs. A completed wing > can be hung from a wall or the ceiling. The fuselage is the most > cumbersome of the main pieces of the airplane so if you have cramped > building quarters, that might be the deciding factor as to where to start. > > > As for doing the wings first because it seems to be the most time > consuming task, what you will find is that building all the structure takes > less than half the time to finish the airplane. Builders commonly are at > the point in their project where they are "90% done and 90% to go". That > happens about the point where all the structure is complete. Designing, > fabricating and installing all the systems (fuel system, brakes, controls, > electrical system if so equipped, instruments, etc.) takes a large amount > of time, as does covering and painting. > > > Just enjoy the process. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get it flying > - there will be plenty of time for that. You may find, as several of us > have, that without an airplane project to work on you feel a bit lost, > after your Pietenpol is done and flying. I'm now building one of the Van's > RV's (Ramp Vermin), but I find building a kit to be much less satisfying > than building from scratch. > > > Before Mike Cuy can say it, I'll advise that you buy at least the first > two of the Tony Bingelis books (available from EAA), *The Sportplane > Builder* and *Sportplane Construction Techniques*. There you will find > many of your questions answered in generous detail. And attend the annual > Pietenpol Fly-in in Brodhead, Wisconsin. There you will typically see a > couple of dozen Pietenpols, and no two are alike. > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Toddster > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:58 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start > building? > > > > > > > I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. > > I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some > feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of > their aircraft. > > > My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most > time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done > (relatively) quickly when starting out. > > > Suggestions? > > > Read this topic online here: > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406855#406855 > > > * > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ===========http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > * > > * > > > * > > -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:11 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup The idea of building a simple fuselage mockup is excellent. 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Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:03 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup Thats what I did. Ripped the 1X1 longerons from 2X4's, cheap door skin plywood and wood glue. I was able to reuse the jig for the actual fuse sides too. Ben On 8/17/2013 12:50 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > The idea of building a simple fuselage mockup is excellent. If you > don't plan to start your actual build for several months and you have > some basic tools, just go down and buy some inexpensive pine planks > and plywood, plus some wood glue, and spend a couple of weekends > building a fuselage mockup. It only needs to be from firewall to > pilot's seat back and only needs to include enough of the framing to > give you a sturdy mockup that you can sit in and get an idea of the > fit. You could get fancier and assemble a simple rudder bar and > walking beam with control sticks out of broomsticks or scrap tubing so > you can feel the control geometry as well, but that's extra work. > > No need for precision, no need to take care with glue drips, and you > could get it into shape pretty quickly if you have a staple gun. If > you have a shop with a scrap bin, you could probably build it out of > things that you already have in your scrap bin and lumber cutoff pile. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup From: John Kuhfahl Cool idea. Put as much realism as possible. Even in a re-build,I put my instruments right where the wing cross brace wires needed to go.John On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Ben Charvet wrote: > Thats what I did. Ripped the 1X1 longerons from 2X4's, cheap door skin > plywood and wood glue. I was able to reuse the jig for the actual fuse > sides too. > > Ben > > On 8/17/2013 12:50 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > The idea of building a simple fuselage mockup is excellent. If you don't > plan to start your actual build for several months and you have some basic > tools, just go down and buy some inexpensive pine planks and plywood, plus > some wood glue, and spend a couple of weekends building a fuselage mockup. > It only needs to be from firewall to pilot's seat back and only needs > to include enough of the framing to give you a sturdy mockup that you can > sit in and get an idea of the fit. You could get fancier and assemble a > simple rudder bar and walking beam with control sticks out of broomsticks > or scrap tubing so you can feel the control geometry as well, but that's > extra work. > > No need for precision, no need to take care with glue drips, and you could > get it into shape pretty quickly if you have a staple gun. If you have a > shop with a scrap bin, you could probably build it out of things that you > already have in your scrap bin and lumber cutoff pile. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > * > > * > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > * > > * > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup From: Rick Holland It is a great idea, and you can prevent screwing up some expensive spruce by having already going through the motions one time on the mock fuse. And the kids can play with it when you are done, it the summer you can make a swing out of it and in the winter with that curved bottom it makes a kind of weird sled. rick h On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > The idea of building a simple fuselage mockup is excellent. If you don't > plan to start your actual build for several months and you have some basic > tools, just go down and buy some inexpensive pine planks and plywood, plus > some wood glue, and spend a couple of weekends building a fuselage mockup. > It only needs to be from firewall to pilot's seat back and only needs > to include enough of the framing to give you a sturdy mockup that you can > sit in and get an idea of the fit. You could get fancier and assemble a > simple rudder bar and walking beam with control sticks out of broomsticks > or scrap tubing so you can feel the control geometry as well, but that's > extra work. > > No need for precision, no need to take care with glue drips, and you could > get it into shape pretty quickly if you have a staple gun. If you have a > shop with a scrap bin, you could probably build it out of things that you > already have in your scrap bin and lumber cutoff pile. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.