---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/19/13: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:38 AM - Re: Brodhead 2012 (danhelsper@aol.com) 2. 03:45 AM - Re: For those of you who finished where did you start building? (Michael Perez) 3. 04:51 AM - Re: More Latex Paint (womenfly2) 4. 05:18 AM - Re: More Latex Paint (Greg Bacon) 5. 06:27 AM - T.C. is back (Lawrence Williams) 6. 07:56 AM - Re: Dynamic balancing ? (scudrun) 7. 09:20 AM - Re: T.C. is back (Dick N) 8. 10:10 AM - Re: T.C. is back (Jack) 9. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: Dynamic balancing ? (danhelsper@aol.com) 10. 10:20 AM - Re: T.C. is back (danhelsper@aol.com) 11. 11:52 AM - Re: T.C. is back (Dick N) 12. 12:03 PM - ELT wanted (Oscar Zuniga) 13. 12:51 PM - Re: ELT wanted (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 14. 01:19 PM - Re: ELT wanted (shad bell) 15. 01:57 PM - Re: ELT wanted (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2012 From: danhelsper@aol.com No....I was trying to get him to carry my gas can into town..... Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 5:34 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2012 ...'cuz he didn't like the first? Gary Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2013, at 3:18 PM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote: Yea me too. I gave that kid (in the background) with the Mohawk a free ride !! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 4:42 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2012 Nice shots, Adrian! I especially like the picture of Dan Yocum's Piet! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2012 A few shots of some favorite airplanes for your viewing pleasure. Kevin - I'm sure Edition2 will looks as great as the first. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406958#406958 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00276_121.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00266_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00257_113.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00246_113.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00243_443.jpg " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:24 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start building? Hello Todd and welcome.=0A=0AI started- my project building ribs for two reasons. To me, repetitive work gets really boring really fast, so I chose to start with making ribs because I knew my motivation level would be quite high at the start of this new project.- I left the work I was looking fo rward to the most for last, building the fuselage. Second, I chose to make my own ribs from scratch using rough cut spruce purchased in bulk. This was less expensive to purchase and I like making my own parts anyway, so it wa s fun for me.- As long as you start...and hopefully finish, what/how you begin doesn't matter.=0A=0A=0A-=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Latex Paint From: "womenfly2" Just registered. Thanks, ~WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407024#407024 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More Latex Paint From: Greg Bacon Thanks Malcolm. I just registered as well. Greg Bacon NX114D On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:33 PM, wrote: > Hi Guys, Me again. > > I will be doing a webinar version of the forum that I presented at Oshkosh > on > painting with Latex paint. The forum was well attended and I have received > a > lot of inquiries from builders that could not make it to Airventure. The > EAA's > webinars seems to be a good solution to share the information with anyone > else > that is interested. > > "Latex Paint for Your Homebuilt Aircraft" > Wednesday, October 9, 2013 7:00 PM - 8:30 PM CDT > > You can go to http://www.eaa.org/webinars to see upcoming presentations > and to > register to participate. It will be basically the same slides that are on > my > web site, with my droning dialog added of course. > > Keep it cheap > Malcolm Morrison > > * > > * > > -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:54 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is back Mr. Helsperetal, It is true, I Larry Williams (aka. Top Curmudgeon) have returned to actively scanning the daily digest ;ever vigilant for some poor soul who inadvertently posts a question that has been answered 500 times in the past 6 months or asks something so off-base that his ability to build a true flying machine is doubtful. (for those....well, we banish them to Belize!) As I have been on sabbatical, I have come closer to being "one with the sky" and have therefore gained a sense of clarity, charity and compassion. As a result, the fiery barbs from my keyboard will likely be much more infrequent and less harsh than what was the norm in days gone by. Not by any means nice, just gentler............maybe. Larry (TC) Williams ps. Trying to get to Blakesburg, IA and Brodhead for the antique/grass roots fly-ins in the next couple of weeks. Anyone else??? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dynamic balancing ? From: "scudrun" Dan I like your balancer. One thing I can add though from my own experience is that the CG of the prop is not on the top surface, it is inside 'somewhere close' to one half the thickness of the hub. If you machine a plug that fits the bore of the prop shaft hole, then you can lower the fulcrum point into the bore of the prop shaft hole in the prop. The balancer becomes way more sensitive. You can also make different plugs to fit different props if needed. You want to get close to the 3D CG point, slightly above it. If below obviously it will never balance. Rather than relying on the bubble level, simply get a length of clear plastic tubing and clamp it to the table on each side by the propeller tips. Add water to the tube till the level is adjacent to the prop tip. Gravity is a harsh mistress but in this case she gives us a super accurate reference line. If you want to involve children as a learning experience, get them to add the water with food coloring, they'll have fun and learn something at the same time! Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407033#407033 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:25 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is back Hi Larry I am glad your back. I am going with wifee to AAA on Labor Day Weekend. I hope to see you there. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams To: Pietlist Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is back Mr. Helsper et al, It is true, I Larry Williams (aka. Top Curmudgeon) have returned to actively scanning the daily digest ;ever vigilant for some poor soul who inadvertently posts a question that has been answered 500 times in the past 6 months or asks something so off-base that his ability to build a true flying machine is doubtful. (for those....well, we banish them to Belize!) As I have been on sabbatical, I have come closer to being "one with the sky" and have therefore gained a sense of clarity, charity and compassion. As a result, the fiery barbs from my keyboard will likely be much more infrequent and less harsh than what was the norm in days gone by. Not by any means nice, just gentler............maybe. Larry (TC) Williams ps. Trying to get to Blakesburg, IA and Brodhead for the antique/grass roots fly-ins in the next couple of weeks. Anyone else??? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is back From: Jack Dick you flying or driving? Haven't been there for 3 or 4 years. May try and rearrange my schedule to attend via motorhome... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Aug 19, 2013, at 11:19 AM, "Dick N" wrote: > Hi Larry > I am glad your back. I am going with wifee to AAA on Labor Day Weekend. I hope to see you there. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lawrence Williams > To: Pietlist > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:27 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is back > > Mr. Helsper et al, > > It is true, I Larry Williams (aka. Top Curmudgeon) have returned to active ly scanning the daily digest ;ever vigilant for some poor soul who inadverte ntly posts a question that has been answered 500 times in the past 6 months o r asks something so off-base that his ability to build a true flying machine is doubtful. (for those....well, we banish them to Belize!) > > As I have been on sabbatical, I have come closer to being "one with the sk y" and have therefore gained a sense of clarity, charity and compassion. As a result, the fiery barbs from my keyboard will likely be much more infrequen t and less harsh than what was the norm in days gone by. Not by any means ni ce, just gentler............maybe. > > Larry (TC) Williams > > ps. Trying to get to Blakesburg, IA and Brodhead for the antique/grass roo ts fly-ins in the next couple of weeks. Anyone else??? > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dynamic balancing ? From: danhelsper@aol.com Joe, Yes good point about trying to lower the fulcrum point. This would give a m ore accurate reading. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: scudrun Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 9:57 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dynamic balancing ? Dan I like your balancer. One thing I can add though from my own experienc e is that the CG of the prop is not on the top surface, it is inside 'somewhere close' to one half the thickness of the hub. If you machine a plug that f its the bore of the prop shaft hole, then you can lower the fulcrum point into the bore of the prop shaft hole in the prop. The balancer becomes way more sensitive. You can also make different plugs to fit different props if nee ded. You want to get close to the 3D CG point, slightly above it. If below obvi ously it will never balance. Rather than relying on the bubble level, simply get a length of clear plastic tubing and clamp it to the table on each side by th e propeller tips. Add water to the tube till the level is adjacent to the pr op tip. Gravity is a harsh mistress but in this case she gives us a super acc urate reference line. If you want to involve children as a learning experience, g et them to add the water with food coloring, they'll h! ave fun and learn something at the same time! Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407033#407033 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is back From: danhelsper@aol.com Thank God. Now I don't have to be quite as vigilante while scanning the lis t posts! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Williams Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 8:28 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is back Mr. Helsper et al, It is true, I Larry Williams (aka. Top Curmudgeon) have returned to activel y scanning the daily digest ;ever vigilant for some poor soul who inadverte ntly posts a question that has been answered 500 times in the past 6 months or asks something so off-base that his ability to build a true flying mach ine is doubtful. (for those....well, we banish them to Belize!) As I have been on sabbatical, I have come closer to being "one with the sky " and have therefore gained a sense of clarity, charity and compassion. As a result, the fiery barbs from my keyboard will likely be much more infrequ ent and less harsh than what was the norm in days gone by. Not by any means nice, just gentler............maybe. Larry (TC) Williams ps. Trying to get to Blakesburg, IA and Brodhead for the antique/grass root s fly-ins in the next couple of weeks. Anyone else??? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:08 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is back Hi Jack I am taking my camper we will be in the SW campground. I hope you can make it also. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is back Dick you flying or driving? Haven't been there for 3 or 4 years. May try and rearrange my schedule to attend via motorhome... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Aug 19, 2013, at 11:19 AM, "Dick N" wrote: Hi Larry I am glad your back. I am going with wifee to AAA on Labor Day Weekend. I hope to see you there. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams To: Pietlist Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is back Mr. Helsper et al, It is true, I Larry Williams (aka. Top Curmudgeon) have returned to actively scanning the daily digest ;ever vigilant for some poor soul who inadvertently posts a question that has been answered 500 times in the past 6 months or asks something so off-base that his ability to build a true flying machine is doubtful. (for those....well, we banish them to Belize!) As I have been on sabbatical, I have come closer to being "one with the sky" and have therefore gained a sense of clarity, charity and compassion. As a result, the fiery barbs from my keyboard will likely be much more infrequent and less harsh than what was the norm in days gone by. Not by any means nice, just gentler............maybe. Larry (TC) Williams ps. Trying to get to Blakesburg, IA and Brodhead for the antique/grass roots fly-ins in the next couple of weeks. Anyone else??? href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:09 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT wanted Inspecting my Narco ELT-10 for annual=2C I find that the battery has create d corrosion that has damaged the printed circuit board and battery connecto r=2C so it's now junk. I do not want to spend the money on a "real" 406 MH z ELT so I'm looking for an old standard 121.5 MHz ELT like my Narco or the thousands of other yellow and orange ELTs that used to be in every Cessna and Piper out there. If someone has one they would like to sell or if they can refer me to a shop or individual that may have one=2C let me know (off line). Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Medford=2C OR ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:19 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT wanted UNCLASSIFIED Before you buy. Sure consider the ones that use the coppertop D cell batteries rather than the custom (expensive) batteries. Steve On 08/19/13, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > > Inspecting my Narco ELT-10 for annual, I find that the battery has created corrosion that has damaged the printed circuit board and battery connector, so it's now junk. I do not want to spend the money on a "real" 406 MHz ELT so I'm looking for an old standard 121.5 MHz ELT like my Narco or the thousands of other yellow and orange ELTs that used to be in every Cessna and Piper out there. If someone has one they would like to sell or if they can refer me to a shop or individual that may have one, let me know (offline). > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > Medford, OR > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:04 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT wanted ELT's are famous for that, I always take ours apart at the annual and clean it and put a little no-ox grease- or corrosion prevention compound on th e batts to try to prevent that.=0A-=0AShad=0A =0A=0A_____________________ ___________=0A From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, August 19, 2 013 3:50 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT wanted =0A =0A=0A--> Pieten pol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" =0A=0AUNCLASSIFIED=0ABefore you buy. Sure consider the one s that use the coppertop D cell batteries rather than the custom (expensive ) batteries.=0A=0ASteve =0A=0AOn 08/19/13, Oscar Zuniga wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A > =0A> Inspecting my Narco ELT-10 for annual, I find that the battery has c reated corrosion that has damaged the printed circuit board and battery con nector, so it's now junk. I do not want to spend the money on a "real" 406 MHz ELT so I'm looking for an old standard 121.5 MHz ELT like my Narco or t he thousands of other yellow and orange ELTs that used to be in every Cessn a and Piper out there. If someone has one they would like to sell or if the y can refer me to a shop or individual that may have one, let me know (offl ine).=0A> =0A> Oscar Zuniga=0A> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0A> Medford, OR == ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT wanted From: "taildrags" [UNCLASSIFIED] Steve: even the "custom" batteries for a standard ELT are less cost than the cheapest 406 MHz ELT, so I'm not going to be too picky at this point. I just need one for annual condx inspection. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407060#407060 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.