---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/26/13: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:56 AM - So. California Air Races (AircamperN11MS) 2. 06:19 AM - Re: Control system bearings (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 3. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: NX626E (Ray Krause) 4. 08:16 AM - Re: So. California Air Races (Ray Krause) 5. 08:38 AM - Re: So. California Air Races (AircamperN11MS) 6. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: So. California Air Races (Ray Krause) 7. 11:15 AM - Selling my GN-1 Aircamper (ldmill) 8. 11:18 AM - Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in? (Kyle85) 9. 11:25 AM - Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in? (taildrags) 10. 02:23 PM - Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in? (tools) 11. 04:08 PM - steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (nightmare) 12. 07:24 PM - Re: So. California Air Races (GNflyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: So. California Air Races From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Pieters, Since there was some talk last week of air racing a Piet I thought I would give Vintage air racing a try myself. The attached pic is the winners sitting on the podium. Yes the Blue and yellow planes came in second and third. Yes this past Saturday was a great day. If you guys should ever find your way to Flabob airport in Southern CA, don't miss looking at the wonderful air racers. They are amazing. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407487#407487 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/resizedimage_1377520440894_170.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/resizedimage_1377520440894_602.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control system bearings From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Skip, thanks.. Had I done the math I'd have seen that.. Apparently I did do the math prior to placing my order cause my invoice shows .058 material, but ASS sent me .049. Didn't notice until now. Better check everything. Tom B. Sent from my iPad On Aug 25, 2013, at 4:49 PM, "skipgadd@earthlink.net" wrote: > > Tom, > .058 is the magic size. The ID of any size will fit the OD of the next > smaller size. > Skip > > >> [Original Message] >> From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Date: 8/25/2013 4:21:05 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control system bearings >> >> >> What are people using for bearings in the control system. For the torque > tube I thought some 1" .049 tube would work but seems a bit loose. Could > machine something down from a thicker tube or look into a buyout part. > Curious what others are using. >> >> Tom B. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:30 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX626E Thanks, Bill. I thought that if you were in CA, I might fire up the Waiex and visit you, but two States away is a bit much for this local flyer this summer. I would sure love to see your Piet , especially those run-up brakes! Ray Krause SkyScout in progress. Sent from my iPad On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:22 PM, "BYD" wrote: > > Indeed, I live in Gig Harbor across the narrows from Tacoma, WA and Oscar, I don't mean to talk you out of attending a great event - I only meant that it is not my cup of tea. You could easily attend it and visit your friends on the same trip if you're inclined. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407481#407481 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:52 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: So. California Air Races We need details! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2013, at 5:56 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Hi Pieters, > > Since there was some talk last week of air racing a Piet I thought I would give Vintage air racing a try myself. The attached pic is the winners sitting on the podium. Yes the Blue and yellow planes came in second and third. Yes this past Saturday was a great day. > > If you guys should ever find your way to Flabob airport in Southern CA, don't miss looking at the wonderful air racers. They are amazing. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407487#407487 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/resizedimage_1377520440894_170.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/resizedimage_1377520440894_602.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So. California Air Races From: "AircamperN11MS" Well Ray, Since you asked. It was a tough race. I won it with good strategy. They never saw it coming. It was a standing start race, around the pylons once then landing to a full stop. The piet had the advantage from the start. I broke ground in less than 100 feet and made the first turn before they were wheels up. I got them at the second turn, they just got past me at the third turn and then the big surprise was during landing when I was able to get on the ground and stopped in the first few hundred feet of the runway. Those poor guys with all their speed had to roll all the way to the end of the runway. I win!!! It was a great day for the Piet community. They will probably never admit to the loss, so please don't embarrass them by asking. I was there. you gotta believe me. The other story would be that I was just hanging out with some friends and they were there too. We can all dream, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407506#407506 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:34 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: So. California Air Races Fantastic! They may change the rules next year. Maybe that would be a good kind of "race" to have at Broadhead? But since I have never been there, how would I know? Thanks, Ryan Krause Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2013, at 8:36 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Well Ray, > > Since you asked. It was a tough race. I won it with good strategy. They never saw it coming. It was a standing start race, around the pylons once then landing to a full stop. The piet had the advantage from the start. I broke ground in less than 100 feet and made the first turn before they were wheels up. I got them at the second turn, they just got past me at the third turn and then the big surprise was during landing when I was able to get on the ground and stopped in the first few hundred feet of the runway. Those poor guys with all their speed had to roll all the way to the end of the runway. I win!!! > > It was a great day for the Piet community. They will probably never admit to the loss, so please don't embarrass them by asking. I was there. you gotta believe me. > > The other story would be that I was just hanging out with some friends and they were there too. > > We can all dream, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407506#407506 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Selling my GN-1 Aircamper From: "ldmill" Guys - I hate to do it, but it's time to let the Aircamper go. I'm starting to build a Sky Scout and just finished my Sonex/Waiex - don't have time to fly two planes AND build... so the Aircamper needs to go. Some of you may remember it up at Brodhead this year - N30PP, blue with yellow wing. She's running like a top, 910 hours on the Cont. A75. Less than 200 on a complete overhaul including the McCauley metal prop, Marvel Schebler carb and new Slick mags (rebuilt cylinder right after the Brodhead fly-in). New tires and tubes, bungees and covers, right wheel cylinder and both exhaust stacks. 14 gallon header tank and 4 gallon center section tank, two doors (which I absolutely LOVE). Comes with a Garmin GPS Pilot III and an intercom for passenger comms. The annual is good till May of 2014. Price is $10500 and is posted on Barnstormers as of today. Based in Marshalltown Iowa (KMIW) Lorin Miller email: lorin.miller@emerson.com Cell: 641-485-0840 -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407518#407518 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in? From: "Kyle85" Decided to go with piano hinge on my rudder. I used 3 6 barrel sections I bonded them in with epoxy and used stainless steel Roll pins that are also bonded in to keep things nice and flush. Well, when I put it all together my thought was to keep a smaller gap between the rudder and vertical fin. The problem is the rudder has 12" of travel on the trailing edge in each direction giving me a total of 24" total travel. This is because the "main beams" of each surface come in contact with each other. To me the elevator cut out is 30" and that should be the rudder travel. So can I leave it? Can I bevel the main beam any? Or am I stuck with destroying my hard work trying to readjust the hinges. Thanks Kyle -------- Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407519#407519 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in? From: "taildrags" Kyle; I just remade the rudder bar stops on my airplane. I wanted to get all the rudder throw that I could, so my rudder pretty much goes from elevator edge to elevator edge, just short of actually touching control surfaces. My airplane runs out of rudder in a strong x-wind or slip. I don't have my plans here to be able to check the dimension between elevators, but I would sure hate to give up 3" of rudder travel on each side if that's what you're saying it amounts to at the trailing edge of the rudder. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407522#407522 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in? From: "tools" You can bevel the edges to gain more travel. Based on your description I'm not sure how much linear travel you need to gain, but a little beveling gains quite a bit. Be sure and bevel each piece (the stab and the rudder) to share the load so to speak. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407537#407537 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear From: "nightmare" Has anyone built the jenny style gear using steel instead of the 2 1/2 x 1 inch aerodynamic spruce? If so, what size tubing has been used? Ive also got the split axle plans, but seems like that 1 3/8 14 gauge tubing may be a little overkill for the jenny style gear since the brunt of the work is probably absorbed by the bungees. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407545#407545 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So. California Air Races From: "GNflyer" that is a great picture. could you send me an email with it I might keep? I was not able to copy and paste it. I guess it's too large. 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