---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/27/13: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:34 AM - Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 2. 06:58 AM - Re: So. California Air Races (AircamperN11MS) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: So. California Air Races (Gary Boothe) 4. 08:38 AM - Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (nightmare) 5. 08:52 AM - Passanger safety & others thing (giacummo) 6. 09:21 AM - Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (nightmare) 7. 10:42 AM - Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (AircamperN11MS) 8. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (Michael Perez) 9. 11:48 AM - Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (nightmare) 10. 11:52 AM - Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (nightmare) 11. 07:15 PM - Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in? (Kyle85) 12. 07:37 PM - Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in? (tools) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:37 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear Paul-I've seen many of the WWI type replicas with either steel tube (stream lined) or aluminum for the Jenny style gear legs instead of wood. I have seen a few metal streamlined gear legs which were painted to look li ke wood grain too and boy, what a fooler. I was convinced they were wood gear legs from about 10 feet away. Can't s eem to find any photos of that example but it is one other option besides the wood gear legs. Mike C. (scroll down for more examples) [cid:image001.png@01CEA300.0EE1CE50] (photo courtesy of: http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/fokker-dvii/bu ild-story [cid:image002.png@01CEA300.0EE1CE50] [cid:image003.png@01CEA300.0EE1CE50] http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/replica-aircraft/50506-airdrome-nieuport- 17-florida-version-52.html ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So. California Air Races From: "AircamperN11MS" GNflyer I sent it to your email. Let me know if you got it OK. It looks to be the correct size when I sent it to you. I don't understand why it is so big when posted to this forum. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407571#407571 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:28 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: So. California Air Races "Pietenpols may appear larger than actual size." Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So. California Air Races --> GNflyer I sent it to your email. Let me know if you got it OK. It looks to be the correct size when I sent it to you. I don't understand why it is so big when posted to this forum. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407571#407571 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear From: "nightmare" thats great Mike. those pics definitely helped. but still trying to find a thickness of 4130 round tubing that would do the trick without being too heavy. I think Ill weld it together similar to that pic but make it look more like the Piet version. i'm going for a vintage piet racer look with wide streamlining of struts (imagine Bernard had a skunkworks division. LOL) and have come up with a way to make little half ribs on both sides then cover it with my 1/16 ply. hopefully someone has already done it, otherwise ill just use the same gauge as the split axle version. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407575#407575 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Passanger safety & others thing From: "giacummo" like the skirt security device, the seat, etc, etc... just for fun How many cables can you count?.. not archive -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407577#407577 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/123456_143.png ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear From: "nightmare" Looks like Scott Liefeld has the design im looking for. Scott just sent you a PM. or if you like you could reply with those tubing dimensions here if you have them. Thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407579#407579 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Paul, The gear on my plane is copied from a Thomas Morse Scout. It has a full floating axle which means the axle is free to move from side to side and it can rotate. It has rotated several times when a wheel runs dry on grease. I don't have wheel bearings, just brass bushings in the wheels. If you are planning on using brakes there is an easy solution to stop the axle from rotating. Just slip a square piece of tubing over the axle and secure it to the axle. I guess you could either weld or bolt it into place. I will attach some pics for you to look at. I would need to go to the airport and measure the tubing since I don't remember the dimensions. I won't be able to get out there for about a week. Please keep in mind that the attached pics don't show the two sets of cross wires. Let me know what else you need so I can help you out. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407584#407584 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_115_327.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_101_175.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:39 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear "...i'm going for a vintage piet racer look with wide streamlining of strut s (imagine Bernard had a skunkworks division.- LOL)"=0A=0AI like your thi nking Paul!- Maybe some steam punk work as well?=0A=0A-=0AMichael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear From: "nightmare" Thanks Scott. If youve got the wall thickness too, that would be great. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407587#407587 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear From: "nightmare" Never heard of steam punk before. Just googled it. Pretty cool but I probably pissed off enough people already. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407588#407588 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in? From: "Kyle85" Just want to thank you both for the input. Initially I panicked, just need some rational thinking. I did bevel the beams I don't think it robbed much strength. Also I am using fir which is slightly stronger. Those bevels(I also slightly rounded them) actually give things a more streamlined look. The problem is now everyone knows it was a mistake. DOH! Thanks again. Kyle -------- Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407611#407611 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in? From: "tools" Negative ghostrider... Many of these are rounded over. Furthermore, the gap closing, when you need the authority the most, increases efficiency at THAT point. Call it deliberate. Or, in the real world, NO ONE will notice but you anyway anyway! 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