Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 08/28/13


Total Messages Posted: 13



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     1. 05:26 AM - excuse the intrusion... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     2. 05:55 AM - Re: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (Michael Perez)
     3. 09:15 AM - Congratulations Doc Mosher! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     4. 12:06 PM - Re: excuse the intrusion... (taildrags)
     5. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: excuse the intrusion... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     6. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: excuse the intrusion...  (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
     7. 06:12 PM - Priceless (pineymb)
     8. 06:33 PM - Re: excuse the intrusion... (danhelsper@aol.com)
     9. 07:58 PM - Re: excuse the intrusion... (tools)
    10. 07:59 PM - Re: Priceless (Clif Dawson)
    11. 08:46 PM - Re: excuse the intrusion... (taildrags)
    12. 08:46 PM - Re: Priceless (taildrags)
    13. 09:41 PM - Re: Re: Priceless (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:26:42 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: excuse the intrusion...
    But it was noted on the list that the Pietenpol will run out of rudder authority sometimes in a severe crosswind. I've landed in some nasty, gusty crosswinds and I've always considered the rudder authority on the Pietenpol to be quite sufficient. The only complaint I've had is that even when you're completely down on a gusty, nasty, crosswind day that a strong gust can lift the light Pietenpol off the pavement or grass again sometimes when least expected. Your mileage may vary. Mike C. (I now leave the nasty, gusty, crosswind days to the airliners and the airline pilots)


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    Time: 05:55:24 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear
    "...I probably pissed off enough people already."=0A=0AHA! I hear ya.- At least keep me posted on your creations and progress.=0A=0A-=0AMichael Pe rez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 09:15:25 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Congratulations Doc Mosher!
    The guy....along with his lovely wife Dee, who produce our BPAN newsletter. 88 years old and going strong. Thank you Doc. Mike C. https://www.facebook.com/WisAviationHallofFame?hc_location=stream [cid:image001.png@01CEA3E8.10EC12D0]


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    Time: 12:06:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Mikee: I resemble that remark, and I'm the one who said that I have run out of rudder before. In light of your "intrusion" (and my second thoughts on the remark that I made), I will rephrase my statement as follows: "less-experienced Piet pilots may run out of rudder if they don't properly anticipate the correction that will be needed". It is obvious that better and more experienced pilots like yourself "just deal with it" and are never caught yelling "Yikes!!" when the airplane starts to drift despite putting all of your foot into it when you're somewhere between still flying, touching down, and the deep blue sea ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407647#407647


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    Time: 12:33:56 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
    Ah, very good Oscar but I'm sure I fudged a few of those landings by actually landing diagonally on purpose on some of the runways to take out the crosswind component if I had a runway that was wide enough. I've said yikes a few times myself....sometimes even shoot or holy shit:) Mike C.


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    Time: 05:46:42 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
    UNCLASSIFIED lots of early airfields were just that. A big field with a windsock. taxi to the downwind side and take off into the wind. So very little crosswind. used to skydive in Germany from such a field. Blue Skies, Steve On 08/28/13, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" wrote: > > Ah, very good Oscar but I'm sure I fudged a few of those landings by actually landing diagonally on purpose on some of the runways to take out > the crosswind component if I had a runway that was wide enough. I've said yikes a few times myself....sometimes even shoot or holy shit:) > > Mike C. > > > > UNCLASSIFIED


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    Time: 06:12:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Priceless
    From: "pineymb" <airltd@mts.net>
    Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg. 8:00PM and still 32deg C out. Gotta love it!!! -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407666#407666 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_130.jpg


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    Time: 06:33:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
    From: danhelsper@aol.com
    That crosswind was fairly nasty this year at Brodhead. I didn't (and have n ever experienced) running out of rudder authority. After a few flights that day, I elected to call it quits because of over-all conditions, but not sp ecifically because of that (rudder) factor. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Sent: Wed, Aug 28, 2013 10:50 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: excuse the intrusion... Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> But it was noted on the list that the Pietenpol will run out of rudder auth ority sometimes in a severe crosswind. I've landed in some nasty, gusty crosswinds and I've always considered the rudder authority on the Pietenpol to be quite sufficient. The only complaint I've had is that even when you're completely down on a gusty, nasty, crosswind day that a st rong gust can lift the light Pietenpol off the pavement or grass again sometimes when least expected. Your mileage may vary. Mike C. (I now leave the nasty, gusty, crosswind days to the airliners and the airl ine pilots)


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    Time: 07:58:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    I'm a big fan of just turning the runway into the wind... just sayin... Insofar as the Piet, most of the fields I fly out of down in GA are essentially surrounded by TALL trees on all four sides. On windy days, the transition down into them at about tree top level gets AWFUL sporty. I've been stop to stop on the ailerons quite a bit (with piano hinges making them responsive in the Piet world). Once you're down past that it generally calms down quite a bit and I've never seen a steady crosswind in the flare and touchdown phase. It'll also toss you quite a bit in the yaw axis and I've never felt I didn't have enough rudder there. Like Mike, after few windy days like that, I just quit flying when it's that bad. I have found if the wind picks up a wing, you don't have enough rudder to fix it without getting the wing back down. Which is what you should be doing anyway, so I don't consider it a limiting thing. On the plus side, the tail dragger configured Glastar I fly has a HUGE vert stab. Big enough allow the thing to wind vane while taxiing that can't be fixed with the rudder alone, you have to get into the brakes just a little. The Piet's vert stab seems to be proportionate to the rudder and doesn't have that problem. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407674#407674


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    Time: 07:59:27 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Priceless
    Isn't that where you can watch your dog run away for three days? :-) Clif > Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg. > 8:00PM and still 32deg C out. > > Gotta love it!!! > > -------- > Adrian M > Winnipeg, MB > Canada


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    Time: 08:46:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Isn't it satisfying every time you hear another thing about the Piet that is "just right", or at least not nasty? It's no wonder it's been around for so long in almost exactly the same form as it was 85 years ago! There are only a few machines of equal complexity and duty that are still around in their same form after almost a century. The crowbar and ball-peen hammer come to mind ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407682#407682


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    Time: 08:46:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Priceless
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    How many degrees is that in American? ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407683#407683


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    Time: 09:41:36 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Priceless
    http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm Clif > > How many degrees is that in American? ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga




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