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1. 05:26 AM - excuse the intrusion... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
2. 05:55 AM - Re: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (Michael Perez)
3. 09:15 AM - Congratulations Doc Mosher! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
4. 12:06 PM - Re: excuse the intrusion... (taildrags)
5. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: excuse the intrusion... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
6. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: excuse the intrusion... (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
7. 06:12 PM - Priceless (pineymb)
8. 06:33 PM - Re: excuse the intrusion... (danhelsper@aol.com)
9. 07:58 PM - Re: excuse the intrusion... (tools)
10. 07:59 PM - Re: Priceless (Clif Dawson)
11. 08:46 PM - Re: excuse the intrusion... (taildrags)
12. 08:46 PM - Re: Priceless (taildrags)
13. 09:41 PM - Re: Re: Priceless (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | excuse the intrusion... |
But it was noted on the list that the Pietenpol will run out of rudder authority
sometimes in a severe crosswind. I've landed in some nasty,
gusty crosswinds and I've always considered the rudder authority on the Pietenpol
to be quite sufficient. The only complaint I've had is that
even when you're completely down on a gusty, nasty, crosswind day that a strong
gust can lift the light Pietenpol off the pavement or grass
again sometimes when least expected. Your mileage may vary.
Mike C.
(I now leave the nasty, gusty, crosswind days to the airliners and the airline
pilots)
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Subject: | Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear |
"...I probably pissed off enough people already."=0A=0AHA! I hear ya.- At
least keep me posted on your creations and progress.=0A=0A-=0AMichael Pe
rez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Congratulations Doc Mosher! |
The guy....along with his lovely wife Dee, who produce our BPAN newsletter.
88 years old and going strong.
Thank you Doc.
Mike C.
https://www.facebook.com/WisAviationHallofFame?hc_location=stream
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Subject: | Re: excuse the intrusion... |
Mikee: I resemble that remark, and I'm the one who said that I have run out of
rudder before. In light of your "intrusion" (and my second thoughts on the remark
that I made), I will rephrase my statement as follows: "less-experienced
Piet pilots may run out of rudder if they don't properly anticipate the correction
that will be needed".
It is obvious that better and more experienced pilots like yourself "just deal
with it" and are never caught yelling "Yikes!!" when the airplane starts to drift
despite putting all of your foot into it when you're somewhere between still
flying, touching down, and the deep blue sea ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: excuse the intrusion... |
Ah, very good Oscar but I'm sure I fudged a few of those landings by actually landing
diagonally on purpose on some of the runways to take out
the crosswind component if I had a runway that was wide enough. I've said yikes
a few times myself....sometimes even shoot or holy shit:)
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: excuse the intrusion... |
UNCLASSIFIED
lots of early airfields were just that. A big field with a windsock. taxi to the
downwind side and take off into the wind. So very little crosswind.
used to skydive in Germany from such a field.
Blue Skies,
Steve
On 08/28/13, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" wrote:
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> Ah, very good Oscar but I'm sure I fudged a few of those landings by actually
landing diagonally on purpose on some of the runways to take out
> the crosswind component if I had a runway that was wide enough. I've said yikes
a few times myself....sometimes even shoot or holy shit:)
>
> Mike C.
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UNCLASSIFIED
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Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg.
8:00PM and still 32deg C out.
Gotta love it!!!
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Subject: | Re: excuse the intrusion... |
That crosswind was fairly nasty this year at Brodhead. I didn't (and have n
ever experienced) running out of rudder authority. After a few flights that
day, I elected to call it quits because of over-all conditions, but not sp
ecifically because of that (rudder) factor.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Wed, Aug 28, 2013 10:50 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: excuse the intrusion...
Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
But it was noted on the list that the Pietenpol will run out of rudder auth
ority
sometimes in a severe crosswind. I've landed in some nasty,
gusty crosswinds and I've always considered the rudder authority on the
Pietenpol to be quite sufficient. The only complaint I've had is that
even when you're completely down on a gusty, nasty, crosswind day that a st
rong
gust can lift the light Pietenpol off the pavement or grass
again sometimes when least expected. Your mileage may vary.
Mike C.
(I now leave the nasty, gusty, crosswind days to the airliners and the airl
ine
pilots)
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Subject: | Re: excuse the intrusion... |
I'm a big fan of just turning the runway into the wind... just sayin...
Insofar as the Piet, most of the fields I fly out of down in GA are essentially
surrounded by TALL trees on all four sides. On windy days, the transition down
into them at about tree top level gets AWFUL sporty. I've been stop to stop
on the ailerons quite a bit (with piano hinges making them responsive in the
Piet world). Once you're down past that it generally calms down quite a bit
and I've never seen a steady crosswind in the flare and touchdown phase.
It'll also toss you quite a bit in the yaw axis and I've never felt I didn't have
enough rudder there.
Like Mike, after few windy days like that, I just quit flying when it's that bad.
I have found if the wind picks up a wing, you don't have enough rudder to
fix it without getting the wing back down. Which is what you should be doing
anyway, so I don't consider it a limiting thing. On the plus side, the tail dragger
configured Glastar I fly has a HUGE vert stab. Big enough allow the thing
to wind vane while taxiing that can't be fixed with the rudder alone, you
have to get into the brakes just a little. The Piet's vert stab seems to be proportionate
to the rudder and doesn't have that problem.
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Isn't that where you can watch your dog run away for
three days? :-)
Clif
> Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg.
> 8:00PM and still 32deg C out.
>
> Gotta love it!!!
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> Adrian M
> Winnipeg, MB
> Canada
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Subject: | Re: excuse the intrusion... |
Isn't it satisfying every time you hear another thing about the Piet that is "just
right", or at least not nasty? It's no wonder it's been around for so long
in almost exactly the same form as it was 85 years ago! There are only a few
machines of equal complexity and duty that are still around in their same form
after almost a century. The crowbar and ball-peen hammer come to mind ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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How many degrees is that in American? ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm
Clif
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> How many degrees is that in American? ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
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