---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/30/13: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:43 AM - Re: Ford motors in Australia? (bubbleboy) 2. 02:57 AM - Re: just right--- 85 years running (Jack Phillips) 3. 06:10 AM - coaming tips (GNflyer) 4. 06:31 AM - Re: coaming tips (danhelsper@aol.com) 5. 06:47 AM - Re: coaming tips (GNflyer) 6. 07:59 AM - Re: coaming tips (Marcus Zechini) 7. 08:09 AM - Re: coaming tips (Gary Boothe) 8. 08:28 AM - Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (womenfly2) 9. 08:31 AM - Re: coaming tips (GNflyer) 10. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: coaming tips (Gary Boothe) 11. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: NX626E (Dan Yocum) 12. 10:58 AM - Re: coaming tips (AircamperN11MS) 13. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (Jack) 14. 12:22 PM - Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear (AircamperN11MS) 15. 05:04 PM - Re: stall speed (TriScout) 16. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: coaming tips (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford motors in Australia? From: "bubbleboy" Hi Joe....last year on my way to Natfly I broke down in Forbes and while my ute was being repaired, I discovered an empty yard that had 2 Model T advertised. They were basket cases in need of restoration but was told that the guy who owned them had quite a collection of old Ford engines and parts. I got the phone number in case I ever needed one but decided on a Corvair. Where are you? Do you want the number? Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407754#407754 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:35 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years running The FAA's definition of service ceiling is the altitude at which the climb rate is reduced to 100 fpm. On a hot day with a heavy passenger and full fuel, my Pietenpol's service ceiling (at that definition) is about 400 feet. I remember taking a 205 lb passenger up on a 95 degree day at Sanford, NC (KTTA) which has a 6,000' runway and a field elevation of 275' MSL. By the time we got to the end of that runway we were only 100' off the ground. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years running Yes Ken, one Piet spec you almost never hear people talk about is service ceiling, what is the highest anyone with a Corvair Piet gone? Sure hope mine will do better than 10,000 ft. else on a hot day I will never get out of ground effect. rick On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: KFLY's 6000 foot runway sounds long. But for grins, I just called the ATIS at Colorado Springs. At the moment, density altitude is 9000 feet. That Corvair is going to be earning its keep. Can't wait to see it fly. Cheers, Ken On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Rick Holland wrote: Mike Will be flying out of Meadow Lake airport East of Colorado Springs. http://www.meadowlakeairport.com/ Has a 6000 x 60 ft. paved runway and a shorter dirt/grass runway. There is an instructor here with a Cessna 140 that does instruction and another with a Citabria. Both taildraggers, the Citabria has a stick and is tandem but has 160 HP so may not be very Piet-like, the 140 has an 85 so may feel more Piet-like power wise even though it is side by side. Bought a small video camera (4"x2"x3") that I am thinking of putting on the top of the tail to video the first flights. Rick On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: Awesome Rick! I'm so happy for you after these years of toiling and building that you're getting THIS close to flying! What kind of field are you at, paved, turf, gravel? Long runway, good approaches? That Corvair should get you out of just about anywhere. Will you brush up in anything like a Cub or such? Looking forward to hearing updates and how you like flying her. She'll be a fun, fun airplane! From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years running Great pictures Mikey, I saved them into my desktop background folder. Will help me get even more excited about my first flight test next month. rick h On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: Oscar, You're so right in all the positive things said about Pietenpols over the years. Your post made me think of how enjoyable the Pietenol is to fly and what an honest and good flying airplane it is. Even when I take my flight review in a Cub or get to fly another taildragger I think about how I like the Pietenpol better. Those other airplanes are wonderful too, no doubt but I am always impressed by how nicely this little thing flies, lands, stalls, turns, and handles. On a smooth evening before sunset or at sunrise when the winds are calm it just is like silky smooth and fingertip control. Bernard (or Bernie for those of you who don't like people calling him Bernie:) knew what he was doing! Mike C. -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: coaming tips From: "GNflyer" Thanks to Oscar for letting me know about a tip on building cockpit coaming I call it. I believe Douwe put in the BPA which I have not been subscribed to in a long time and don't really know how to get back on now.I tried to reply to you Douwe and it would not let me. anyway just thought I'd try this approach and see if somebody would point me in the right direction. I have an idea of how I would go about I but for sure need to see how others have done it. I'm flying my GN-1 bare bones plain but the curved front area on the rear pit would sure look nice. not sure how much of a hindrance it would be getting in and out with my long legs. I am planning on making some type of removable cover for the front. was going to get a snap on vinyl one made but was told they tend to un snap in flight and I sure don't need that drape over my tail surfaces for sure! do not archive.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407760#407760 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coaming tips From: danhelsper@aol.com Raymond, The blokes at the UK Pietenpol site have archived this information nicely f or us. Here it is: http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/leather-coaming-padding/4541602921 And, as Douwe Blumberg would say, "Easy peezy, lemon squeezy", or "Bob's yo ur uncle" (love that one) :O) Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: GNflyer Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:11 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: coaming tips Thanks to Oscar for letting me know about a tip on building cockpit coaming I call it. I believe Douwe put in the BPA which I have not been subscribed to in a long time and don't really know how to get back on now.I tried to reply to you Douwe and it would not let me. anyway just thought I'd try this approach an d see if somebody would point me in the right direction. I have an idea of how I would go about I but for sure need to see how others have done it. I'm flyi ng my GN-1 bare bones plain but the curved front area on the rear pit would sure look nice. not sure how much of a hindrance it would be getting in and out with my long legs. I am planning on making some type of removable cover for the fro nt. was going to get a snap on vinyl one made but was told they tend to un snap in flight and I sure don't need that drape over my tail surfaces for sure! do not archive.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407760#407760 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming tips From: "GNflyer" thank you sir! checked it out. looks like that fellow got good results rom his method.you did good.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407762#407762 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coaming tips From: Marcus Zechini I have canvas (actually not quite that heavy) covers for both 'pits. Was flying with front one snapped on when I first started, as it was cold. The flapping in the wind, which is inevitable, rips top snaps out of place. This actually happened when I bought, removed wings & trailered home. Loose snap scarred the backside of front 'pit. I want to make a metal cover for front. I have seen some nice ones. On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:10 AM, GNflyer wrote: > > Thanks to Oscar for letting me know about a tip on building cockpit > coaming I call it. I believe Douwe put in the BPA which I have not been > subscribed to in a long time and don't really know how to get back on now.I > tried to reply to you Douwe and it would not let me. anyway just thought > I'd try this approach and see if somebody would point me in the right > direction. I have an idea of how I would go about I but for sure need to > see how others have done it. I'm flying my GN-1 bare bones plain but the > curved front area on the rear pit would sure look nice. not sure how much > of a hindrance it would be getting in and out with my long legs. I am > planning on making some type of removable cover for the front. was going to > get a snap on vinyl one made but was told they tend to un snap in flight > and I sure don't need that drape over my tail surfaces for sure! do not > archive.Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407760#407760 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:25 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: coaming tips Marcus, I have canvas covers, but used 4 toggle snaps for the front cover, 1 in each corner. There has been no evidence of anything trying to come loose. The rear cover has no toggle snaps, but it stays on just fine. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Zechini Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coaming tips I have canvas (actually not quite that heavy) covers for both 'pits. Was flying with front one snapped on when I first started, as it was cold. The flapping in the wind, which is inevitable, rips top snaps out of place. This actually happened when I bought, removed wings & trailered home. Loose snap scarred the backside of front 'pit. I want to make a metal cover for front. I have seen some nice ones. On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:10 AM, GNflyer wrote: Thanks to Oscar for letting me know about a tip on building cockpit coaming I call it. I believe Douwe put in the BPA which I have not been subscribed to in a long time and don't really know how to get back on now.I tried to reply to you Douwe and it would not let me. anyway just thought I'd try this approach and see if somebody would point me in the right direction. I have an idea of how I would go about I but for sure need to see how others have done it. I'm flying my GN-1 bare bones plain but the curved front area on the rear pit would sure look nice. not sure how much of a hindrance it would be getting in and out with my long legs. I am planning on making some type of removable cover for the front. was going to get a snap on vinyl one made but was told they tend to un snap in flight and I sure don't need that drape over my tail surfaces for sure! do not archive.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407760#407760 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear From: "womenfly2" nightmare wrote: > EDITED: that's great Mike. those pics definitely helped. but still trying to find a thickness of 4130 round tubing that would do the trick without being too heavy. . Streamline Tubing (http://secure.chassisshop.com/partlist/5411/) -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407767#407767 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming tips From: "GNflyer" Gary- now ya done it! got my interest up with that pic of the corvair. is there a way you would correspond with me off-line about it and whether you have been flying with the cover on the front much? I am interested in the routing and rigging of the vent tubes from the rocker arm cover also. I have a vent in the engine center cover butt have been told it would be better to go with one from the rocker cover also. I'm thinking you likely have a top vent and an oil return from a oil separator but anyway here I go bugging you again. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407768#407768 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:20 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming tips Gboothe5@comcast.net. Contact me anytime. I probably have about 20 hours on the plane with that front cover installed. You are exactly right about the vent tubes. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GNflyer Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming tips Gary- now ya done it! got my interest up with that pic of the corvair. is there a way you would correspond with me off-line about it and whether you have been flying with the cover on the front much? I am interested in the routing and rigging of the vent tubes from the rocker arm cover also. I have a vent in the engine center cover butt have been told it would be better to go with one from the rocker cover also. I'm thinking you likely have a top vent and an oil return from a oil separator but anyway here I go bugging you again. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407768#407768 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:07 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX626E I'm not sure, but I *think* you've done a couple landings before. Wheel never left the pavement after the first touch. ;-) That's a beautiful airplane, Bill. Congrats! do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming tips From: "AircamperN11MS" Gary, Maybe if you remove the rear cover you'll get higher landing scores???? Just thinking out loud. Couldn't help it, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407778#407778 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear From: Jack The price on streamline is criminal. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Aug 30, 2013, at 10:28 AM, "womenfly2" wrote: > > > nightmare wrote: >> EDITED: that's great Mike. those pics definitely helped. but still trying to find a thickness of 4130 round tubing that would do the trick without being too heavy. . > > > Streamline Tubing (http://secure.chassisshop.com/partlist/5411/) > > -------- > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407767#407767 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear From: "AircamperN11MS" Jack, Wow, I think the scrap value of my plane just went up. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407784#407784 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: stall speed From: "TriScout" I did a runup yesterday and had a 250 rpm drop on my left mag, so I brought her back to the hangar. After some plug cleaning/re-arranging, it seems fine. I took her up today and video (iphoned) some speed checks, power settings. and a couple of power off stalls. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-15caBJh6sU -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407796#407796 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:12 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming tips Too scary! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming tips --> Gary, Maybe if you remove the rear cover you'll get higher landing scores???? Just thinking out loud. Couldn't help it, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407778#407778 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.