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1. 09:23 AM - front seat height (nightmare)
2. 10:41 AM - Re: front seat height (Gary Boothe)
3. 04:48 PM - Re: front seat height (GNflyer)
4. 05:02 PM - Re: front seat height (nightmare)
5. 07:03 PM - Re: front seat height (Clif Dawson)
6. 07:57 PM - Lower cabane fittings (John Greenlee)
7. 08:46 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings (Gary Boothe)
8. 09:17 PM - Re: front seat height (taildrags)
9. 09:25 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings (Chris)
10. 09:31 PM - service ceiling (taildrags)
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| Subject: | front seat height |
Was hoping to lower the front seat a little, or at least angle the seat bottom
a bit. Has anyone made a bend in that tubing under the seat that connects the
forward and aft stick to each other? I believe the control pressures would be
the same. Any advise on this possible tweak?
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | front seat height |
Interesting idea, Paul. You may want to mock it up and see how the 'wide
bodies' interfere with rudder control.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Was hoping to lower the front seat a little, or at least angle the seat
bottom a bit. Has anyone made a bend in that tubing under the seat that
connects the forward and aft stick to each other? I believe the control
pressures would be the same. Any advise on this possible tweak?
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Paul Donahue
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| Subject: | Re: front seat height |
I know on my GN-1 I actually had to raise the front seat due o the fact that if
I had a passenger wider than the seat which isn't very wide. my toes were hitting
their backside which makes it very difficult to taxi or maneuver the pedals
well.I suppose leg length, rudder pedal angle and other factors will determine
if you have that problem. Oscar tells me his rudder bar works great.but you
might want to experiment with somebody itting up front before you lower.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: front seat height |
Wide bodies.... glad I asked. Yea ill mock it up before doing it. Thanks guys.
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| Subject: | Re: front seat height |
You've just reduced the strength significantly.
Maybe you might getting away with this by
increasing the wall thickness a lot. But.........
You might as well just not have a front stick.
Do you think you're going to carry folks that
will be controlling the plane or not?
Clif
"Happiness is a DRY fart and a WET dream." Someone
> Was hoping to lower the front seat a little, or at least angle the seat
> bottom a bit. Has anyone made a bend in that tubing under the seat that
> connects the forward and aft stick to each other? I believe the control
> pressures would be the same. Any advise on this possible tweak?
> Paul Donahue
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| Subject: | Lower cabane fittings |
Hello good people,
I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back
3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply house
only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1" strap
and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1"
wide? Thoughts?
Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
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| Subject: | Lower cabane fittings |
John,
My struts are wood, but you can see that they are beveled...also tilted back
4". If you are using streamlined tubing can you also bevel the tubing? Or
maybe you don't want to remove the cabanes. Either way, I can't see how 1"
wide would hurt.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Hello good people,
I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4
bolt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the
wing back 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite
supply house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them
1" wide? Thoughts?
Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: front seat height |
I have flown as pax/navigator in Scout for a good few hours and must say that I
like the seat height up there "as is". I have drawn up a booster extension that
sits on top of the standard seat, for when I was going to fly my grandkids
(and other youngsters), but that's not the problem we're discussing here.
I have flown a significant-sized pax in cooler weather. We were both wearing jackets,
gloves, and medium-weight footwear. It took a while to get the front
seatbelts, headset wiring, and other "stuff" clear of my feet and the controls,
but once we got everything set, there was not a problem with interference.
I must say that I did feel the front stick contact the pax's thighs when I needed
hard aileron with stick back, but he made room as soon as he felt the stick.
Your mileage may vary, but this is not like being in a Chevy Suburban where
you can wear all your Realtree Camo double-insulated gear along with Vibram-soled
woods boots. Try that in the Piet and when you get to the runup area to
do your CIGARS check, you'll find that you won't even get past the "C"... you
will have essentially NO control travel in all three axes, if you even manage
to get you and your pax into the cockpits.
I wear the slimmest, smoothest leather footwear that I have (Justin Ropers), along
with comfortable and non-bulky layered clothing. Summertime is the best...
shorts and tees!
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Lower cabane fittings |
John, err I mean Ezra
I don't see how 1" wide fitting would hurt but last I heard Aircraft Spruce
will shear the strips to whatever size you want.
Seems to me to be less work and lower cost to bevel the bottom of the cabane
so it could tilt back. Looking at pictures of the Last Original it looks
like the bolt is in the plans location so BHP must have beveled the bottom
of his cabane strut.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/BHP%20Built/images/P1010020.JPG
Mike Cuy has a beveled bottom cabane strut too..
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/images/airspeed_tub
ing_coming_out_of_bottom_of_RR_cabane_to_ASI.jpg
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings
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Hello good people,
I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4
bolt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the
wing back 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite
supply house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them
1" wide? Thoughts?
Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
Sent from my iPhone
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Jack;
You nailed it when you described your airplane's climb performance on a warm day
with a load. Most will be similar, but not all. John Dilatush's (now Greg
Bacon's) turbo Subaru-powered Piet was intentionally powered for John's high/hot
location in Salida, Colorado and could probably maintain a spritely climb rate
up to where oxygen would be required (12,500')- which might be pattern altitude
in Salida in the middle of a hot summer afternoon ;o)
I have never had Scout above 4500' on the altimeter. It took me a while to get
up there (over half an hour), and frankly, it was quite chilly up there with
just shorts and a tee shirt on for half an hour. Not only that, I got the feeling
that I was too high up and it was an anxious and worried feeling.
I have thought about just how high my airplane could climb, given time and a mixture
control, because any sort of flight across the Continental Divide would
require that I traverse some mountain passes or at least cross some fairly high
terrain. While I am sure the airplane could do it, I'm also sure that it would
require some fuel, planning, and time. As others have stated about these
airplanes, "Piets are slow, but the sky is patient".
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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