---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/02/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:23 AM - front seat height (nightmare) 2. 10:41 AM - Re: front seat height (Gary Boothe) 3. 04:48 PM - Re: front seat height (GNflyer) 4. 05:02 PM - Re: front seat height (nightmare) 5. 07:03 PM - Re: front seat height (Clif Dawson) 6. 07:57 PM - Lower cabane fittings (John Greenlee) 7. 08:46 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings (Gary Boothe) 8. 09:17 PM - Re: front seat height (taildrags) 9. 09:25 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings (Chris) 10. 09:31 PM - service ceiling (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: front seat height From: "nightmare" Was hoping to lower the front seat a little, or at least angle the seat bottom a bit. Has anyone made a bend in that tubing under the seat that connects the forward and aft stick to each other? I believe the control pressures would be the same. Any advise on this possible tweak? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407927#407927 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:03 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: front seat height Interesting idea, Paul. You may want to mock it up and see how the 'wide bodies' interfere with rudder control. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: front seat height --> Was hoping to lower the front seat a little, or at least angle the seat bottom a bit. Has anyone made a bend in that tubing under the seat that connects the forward and aft stick to each other? I believe the control pressures would be the same. Any advise on this possible tweak? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407927#407927 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front seat height From: "GNflyer" I know on my GN-1 I actually had to raise the front seat due o the fact that if I had a passenger wider than the seat which isn't very wide. my toes were hitting their backside which makes it very difficult to taxi or maneuver the pedals well.I suppose leg length, rudder pedal angle and other factors will determine if you have that problem. Oscar tells me his rudder bar works great.but you might want to experiment with somebody itting up front before you lower.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407945#407945 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front seat height From: "nightmare" Wide bodies.... glad I asked. Yea ill mock it up before doing it. Thanks guys. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407948#407948 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:38 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: front seat height You've just reduced the strength significantly. Maybe you might getting away with this by increasing the wall thickness a lot. But......... You might as well just not have a front stick. Do you think you're going to carry folks that will be controlling the plane or not? Clif "Happiness is a DRY fart and a WET dream." Someone > Was hoping to lower the front seat a little, or at least angle the seat > bottom a bit. Has anyone made a bend in that tubing under the seat that > connects the forward and aft stick to each other? I believe the control > pressures would be the same. Any advise on this possible tweak? > Paul Donahue ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings From: John Greenlee Hello good people, I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron. So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths. So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1" strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1" wide? Thoughts? Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee) Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:47 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings John, My struts are wood, but you can see that they are beveled...also tilted back 4". If you are using streamlined tubing can you also bevel the tubing? Or maybe you don't want to remove the cabanes. Either way, I can't see how 1" wide would hurt. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Greenlee Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings --> Hello good people, I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron. So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths. So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1" strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1" wide? Thoughts? Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee) Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front seat height From: "taildrags" I have flown as pax/navigator in Scout for a good few hours and must say that I like the seat height up there "as is". I have drawn up a booster extension that sits on top of the standard seat, for when I was going to fly my grandkids (and other youngsters), but that's not the problem we're discussing here. I have flown a significant-sized pax in cooler weather. We were both wearing jackets, gloves, and medium-weight footwear. It took a while to get the front seatbelts, headset wiring, and other "stuff" clear of my feet and the controls, but once we got everything set, there was not a problem with interference. I must say that I did feel the front stick contact the pax's thighs when I needed hard aileron with stick back, but he made room as soon as he felt the stick. Your mileage may vary, but this is not like being in a Chevy Suburban where you can wear all your Realtree Camo double-insulated gear along with Vibram-soled woods boots. Try that in the Piet and when you get to the runup area to do your CIGARS check, you'll find that you won't even get past the "C"... you will have essentially NO control travel in all three axes, if you even manage to get you and your pax into the cockpits. I wear the slimmest, smoothest leather footwear that I have (Justin Ropers), along with comfortable and non-bulky layered clothing. Summertime is the best... shorts and tees! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407961#407961 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:41 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings John, err I mean Ezra I don't see how 1" wide fitting would hurt but last I heard Aircraft Spruce will shear the strips to whatever size you want. Seems to me to be less work and lower cost to bevel the bottom of the cabane so it could tilt back. Looking at pictures of the Last Original it looks like the bolt is in the plans location so BHP must have beveled the bottom of his cabane strut. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/BHP%20Built/images/P1010020.JPG Mike Cuy has a beveled bottom cabane strut too.. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/images/airspeed_tub ing_coming_out_of_bottom_of_RR_cabane_to_ASI.jpg Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Greenlee Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings --> Hello good people, I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron. So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths. So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1" strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1" wide? Thoughts? Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee) Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: service ceiling From: "taildrags" Jack; You nailed it when you described your airplane's climb performance on a warm day with a load. Most will be similar, but not all. John Dilatush's (now Greg Bacon's) turbo Subaru-powered Piet was intentionally powered for John's high/hot location in Salida, Colorado and could probably maintain a spritely climb rate up to where oxygen would be required (12,500')- which might be pattern altitude in Salida in the middle of a hot summer afternoon ;o) I have never had Scout above 4500' on the altimeter. It took me a while to get up there (over half an hour), and frankly, it was quite chilly up there with just shorts and a tee shirt on for half an hour. Not only that, I got the feeling that I was too high up and it was an anxious and worried feeling. I have thought about just how high my airplane could climb, given time and a mixture control, because any sort of flight across the Continental Divide would require that I traverse some mountain passes or at least cross some fairly high terrain. While I am sure the airplane could do it, I'm also sure that it would require some fuel, planning, and time. As others have stated about these airplanes, "Piets are slow, but the sky is patient". -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407963#407963 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.