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1. 06:07 AM - Bob's Progress Report (bdewenter)
2. 07:26 AM - Re: Bob's Progress Report (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
3. 08:10 AM - Re: front seat height (nightmare)
4. 08:16 AM - Re: Bob's Progress Report (nightmare)
5. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: front seat height (Rick Holland)
6. 07:16 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings ()
7. 07:16 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings ()
8. 07:46 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings (John Greenlee)
9. 07:46 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings (John Greenlee)
10. 07:51 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings (danhelsper@aol.com)
11. 07:52 PM - Step (John Greenlee)
12. 10:28 PM - Re: Step (Chris)
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| Subject: | Bob's Progress Report |
Another of what i consider to be milestones was getting my LG wheels onto the axle.
My friend Don Harper machined the 'cycle wheels for me and installed the
bronze bushings. The bushings went out-of-round when they were pressed so they
needed to be cleaned up with a brake cylinder hone. The axle is also not perfectly
round so it needed some polishing with some 400 grit paper. Now I can
have a shop cut the threads for the bolts, and the inner wheel retainers can
be welded in place. Also at long last the hubs and rims can take a trip to Buchanans
in California to get new spokes! I installed a tail wheel a couple of
weeks ago using Mike Cuy's drawings and Uncle Tony's book to install the leaf
spring style tail wheel from Matco. This girl will be on her own three feet
in a few more weeks!
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Bob's Progress Report |
Looks really clean Bob---nice going! That tail leaf spring setup worked
well for me in that you never have to get your hands into the fuselage to
put a socket
or wrench on the plate that sandwiches the Poplar triangle wedge because th
e bolts are welded to the 4130 plate.
Mike C.
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Another of what i consider to be milestones was getting my LG wheels onto t
he axle. My friend Don Harper machined the 'cycle wheels for me and instal
led the bronze bushings. The bushings went out-of-round when they were pre
ssed so they needed to be cleaned up with a brake cylinder hone. The axle i
s also not perfectly round so it needed some polishing with some 400 grit p
aper. Now I can have a shop cut the threads for the bolts, and the inner w
heel retainers can be welded in place. Also at long last the hubs and rims
can take a trip to Buchanans in California to get new spokes! I installed
a tail wheel a couple of weeks ago using Mike Cuy's drawings and Uncle Ton
y's book to install the leaf spring style tail wheel from Matco. This girl
will be on her own three feet in a few more weeks!
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: front seat height |
Thanks Oscar. Maybe ill just leave well enough alone.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: Bob's Progress Report |
Congrats Bob. Looks awesome. Love that mirror like shine on your front cockpit
floor too.
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Paul Donahue
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| Subject: | Re: front seat height |
I widened my fuselage 2" just to improve rear seat shoulder room but I
guess it will help with this particular front seat problem too.
rick h
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 5:48 PM, GNflyer <rayeh48@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I know on my GN-1 I actually had to raise the front seat due o the fact
> that if I had a passenger wider than the seat which isn't very wide. my
> toes were hitting their backside which makes it very difficult to taxi or
> maneuver the pedals well.I suppose leg length, rudder pedal angle and other
> factors will determine if you have that problem. Oscar tells me his rudder
> bar works great.but you might want to experiment with somebody itting up
> front before you lower.Raymond
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: Lower cabane fittings |
Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4.
---- John Greenlee <jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hello good people,
>
> I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back
3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
>
> So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply
house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
>
> So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1"
wide? Thoughts?
>
> Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
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Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Lower cabane fittings |
Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4.
---- John Greenlee <jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hello good people,
>
> I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back
3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
>
> So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply
house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
>
> So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1"
wide? Thoughts?
>
> Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
--
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Lower cabane fittings |
I don't know if I am handling the reply correctly.
However, I figured there was some reason ACSS only offered the .090 sheared to
1". Limitations of the shear? I ordered what they had -- 1" strap.
So, is it possible to have it sheared again? Or is a larger sheet required so
to shear off the edge? Or is there another way to cut down what I have other
than on the bandsaw?
Ezra Stiles
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:15 PM, <dknoll@cox.net> wrote:
> Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4.
>
> ---- John Greenlee <jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hello good people,
>>
>> I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back
3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
>>
>> So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply
house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
>>
>> So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them
1" wide? Thoughts?
>>
>> Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
> --
> Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Lower cabane fittings |
I don't know if I am handling the reply correctly.
However, I figured there was some reason ACSS only offered the .090 sheared to
1". Limitations of the shear? I ordered what they had -- 1" strap.
So, is it possible to have it sheared again? Or is a larger sheet required so
to shear off the edge? Or is there another way to cut down what I have other
than on the bandsaw?
Ezra Stiles
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:15 PM, <dknoll@cox.net> wrote:
> Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4.
>
> ---- John Greenlee <jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hello good people,
>>
>> I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back
3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
>>
>> So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply
house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
>>
>> So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them
1" wide? Thoughts?
>>
>> Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
> --
> Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Lower cabane fittings |
Dear Ezra,
Your question/ proposed alteration and deviation from the approved Orrin Ho
opman/Bernard Pietenpol plans, really got me to thinking. After performing
a complete and exhaustive (and time-consuming) search of the "lost papers"
of the esteemed Bernard Pietenpol, I have unearthed, condensed, and summar
ized this advise, that was given to some past unsound and foolhardy proposa
ls/deviations:... "lose weight,... build to plans".
There you have it., on good authority.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 9:57 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings
et>
Hello good people,
I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 b
olt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing b
ack 3
or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supp
ly
house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1
"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make the
m 1"
wide? Thoughts?
Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
Sent from my iPhone
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Anybody that has incorporated a step...
I have found that my Piet has grown a larger tail wheel with each new iteration.
And I started this airplane originally when I was about 30. Being 50 now has
shown I am less flexible than before.
SO...to put a step under the back seat...I can see it would mostly be a semicircular
cut out in the ply for a foot. Did you use any provision such as a tapered
doubler so the fabric is shaped much as the surrounding area. In other words
just attaching the fabric to the cutout would make a valley in the side of
the plane. Thoughts? Solutions? What did you do?
Ezra Stiles
Sent from my iPhone
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John
Dan Helsper has a step. Looks like he added a chunk of wood for the fabric
to glue onto. I bet it is designed to be just behind the fabric. Can't be
that hard to figure out how the fabric will lay along the side by using a
long stick.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Dan%20Helsper/images/Piet%20Step.JPG
Paul Poulin has a step too. It also appears to have a wood frame.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Paul%20Poulin/images/Brodhead__20070720_051.
JPG
If your looking for something different.
Mike Groah has a step but it is a blade sticking out the side.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Michael%20Groah/images/IMG_1240.JPG
Gary Boothe has a loop type of step
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/Step_-_1.jpg
At the lower left edge of the picture you can see the step bolted on
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/IMG_0071.JPG
This is the other side.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/P1040800.JPG
Chris
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Greenlee
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step
--> <jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net>
Anybody that has incorporated a step...
I have found that my Piet has grown a larger tail wheel with each new
iteration. And I started this airplane originally when I was about 30.
Being 50 now has shown I am less flexible than before.
SO...to put a step under the back seat...I can see it would mostly be a
semicircular cut out in the ply for a foot. Did you use any provision such
as a tapered doubler so the fabric is shaped much as the surrounding area.
In other words just attaching the fabric to the cutout would make a valley
in the side of the plane. Thoughts? Solutions? What did you do?
Ezra Stiles
Sent from my iPhone
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