---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/03/13: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:07 AM - Bob's Progress Report (bdewenter) 2. 07:26 AM - Re: Bob's Progress Report (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 3. 08:10 AM - Re: front seat height (nightmare) 4. 08:16 AM - Re: Bob's Progress Report (nightmare) 5. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: front seat height (Rick Holland) 6. 07:16 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings () 7. 07:16 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings () 8. 07:46 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings (John Greenlee) 9. 07:46 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings (John Greenlee) 10. 07:51 PM - Re: Lower cabane fittings (danhelsper@aol.com) 11. 07:52 PM - Step (John Greenlee) 12. 10:28 PM - Re: Step (Chris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bob's Progress Report From: "bdewenter" Another of what i consider to be milestones was getting my LG wheels onto the axle. My friend Don Harper machined the 'cycle wheels for me and installed the bronze bushings. The bushings went out-of-round when they were pressed so they needed to be cleaned up with a brake cylinder hone. The axle is also not perfectly round so it needed some polishing with some 400 grit paper. Now I can have a shop cut the threads for the bolts, and the inner wheel retainers can be welded in place. Also at long last the hubs and rims can take a trip to Buchanans in California to get new spokes! I installed a tail wheel a couple of weeks ago using Mike Cuy's drawings and Uncle Tony's book to install the leaf spring style tail wheel from Matco. This girl will be on her own three feet in a few more weeks! -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407971#407971 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00221_large_269.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00217_large_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00215_large_100.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:39 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bob's Progress Report Looks really clean Bob---nice going! That tail leaf spring setup worked well for me in that you never have to get your hands into the fuselage to put a socket or wrench on the plate that sandwiches the Poplar triangle wedge because th e bolts are welded to the 4130 plate. Mike C. [cid:image001.jpg@01CEA88F.F5CD3860][cid:image002.jpg@01CEA88F.F5CD3860] -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bob's Progress Report --> > Another of what i consider to be milestones was getting my LG wheels onto t he axle. My friend Don Harper machined the 'cycle wheels for me and instal led the bronze bushings. The bushings went out-of-round when they were pre ssed so they needed to be cleaned up with a brake cylinder hone. The axle i s also not perfectly round so it needed some polishing with some 400 grit p aper. Now I can have a shop cut the threads for the bolts, and the inner w heel retainers can be welded in place. Also at long last the hubs and rims can take a trip to Buchanans in California to get new spokes! I installed a tail wheel a couple of weeks ago using Mike Cuy's drawings and Uncle Ton y's book to install the leaf spring style tail wheel from Matco. This girl will be on her own three feet in a few more weeks! -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407971#407971 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00221_large_269.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00217_large_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00215_large_100.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front seat height From: "nightmare" Thanks Oscar. Maybe ill just leave well enough alone. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407976#407976 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bob's Progress Report From: "nightmare" Congrats Bob. Looks awesome. Love that mirror like shine on your front cockpit floor too. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407977#407977 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front seat height From: Rick Holland I widened my fuselage 2" just to improve rear seat shoulder room but I guess it will help with this particular front seat problem too. rick h On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 5:48 PM, GNflyer wrote: > > I know on my GN-1 I actually had to raise the front seat due o the fact > that if I had a passenger wider than the seat which isn't very wide. my > toes were hitting their backside which makes it very difficult to taxi or > maneuver the pedals well.I suppose leg length, rudder pedal angle and other > factors will determine if you have that problem. Oscar tells me his rudder > bar works great.but you might want to experiment with somebody itting up > front before you lower.Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407945#407945 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:10 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4. ---- John Greenlee wrote: > > Hello good people, > > I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron. > > So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths. > > So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1" strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1" wide? Thoughts? > > Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee) > Sent from my iPhone > > > > -- Lynn ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:10 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4. ---- John Greenlee wrote: > > Hello good people, > > I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron. > > So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths. > > So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1" strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1" wide? Thoughts? > > Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee) > Sent from my iPhone > > > > -- Lynn ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:02 PM PST US From: John Greenlee Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings I don't know if I am handling the reply correctly. However, I figured there was some reason ACSS only offered the .090 sheared to 1". Limitations of the shear? I ordered what they had -- 1" strap. So, is it possible to have it sheared again? Or is a larger sheet required so to shear off the edge? Or is there another way to cut down what I have other than on the bandsaw? Ezra Stiles Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:15 PM, wrote: > Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4. > > ---- John Greenlee wrote: >> >> Hello good people, >> >> I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron. >> >> So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths. >> >> So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1" strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1" wide? Thoughts? >> >> Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee) >> Sent from my iPhone >> > > -- > Lynn ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:02 PM PST US From: John Greenlee Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings I don't know if I am handling the reply correctly. However, I figured there was some reason ACSS only offered the .090 sheared to 1". Limitations of the shear? I ordered what they had -- 1" strap. So, is it possible to have it sheared again? Or is a larger sheet required so to shear off the edge? Or is there another way to cut down what I have other than on the bandsaw? Ezra Stiles Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:15 PM, wrote: > Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4. > > ---- John Greenlee wrote: >> >> Hello good people, >> >> I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron. >> >> So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths. >> >> So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1" strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1" wide? Thoughts? >> >> Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee) >> Sent from my iPhone >> > > -- > Lynn ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings From: danhelsper@aol.com Dear Ezra, Your question/ proposed alteration and deviation from the approved Orrin Ho opman/Bernard Pietenpol plans, really got me to thinking. After performing a complete and exhaustive (and time-consuming) search of the "lost papers" of the esteemed Bernard Pietenpol, I have unearthed, condensed, and summar ized this advise, that was given to some past unsound and foolhardy proposa ls/deviations:... "lose weight,... build to plans". There you have it., on good authority. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: John Greenlee Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 9:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings et> Hello good people, I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 b olt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing b ack 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron. So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supp ly house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths. So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1 " strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make the m 1" wide? Thoughts? Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee) Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step From: John Greenlee Anybody that has incorporated a step... I have found that my Piet has grown a larger tail wheel with each new iteration. And I started this airplane originally when I was about 30. Being 50 now has shown I am less flexible than before. SO...to put a step under the back seat...I can see it would mostly be a semicircular cut out in the ply for a foot. Did you use any provision such as a tapered doubler so the fabric is shaped much as the surrounding area. In other words just attaching the fabric to the cutout would make a valley in the side of the plane. Thoughts? Solutions? What did you do? Ezra Stiles Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:21 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Step John Dan Helsper has a step. Looks like he added a chunk of wood for the fabric to glue onto. I bet it is designed to be just behind the fabric. Can't be that hard to figure out how the fabric will lay along the side by using a long stick. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Dan%20Helsper/images/Piet%20Step.JPG Paul Poulin has a step too. It also appears to have a wood frame. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Paul%20Poulin/images/Brodhead__20070720_051. JPG If your looking for something different. Mike Groah has a step but it is a blade sticking out the side. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Michael%20Groah/images/IMG_1240.JPG Gary Boothe has a loop type of step http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/Step_-_1.jpg At the lower left edge of the picture you can see the step bolted on http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/IMG_0071.JPG This is the other side. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/P1040800.JPG Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Greenlee Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step --> Anybody that has incorporated a step... I have found that my Piet has grown a larger tail wheel with each new iteration. And I started this airplane originally when I was about 30. Being 50 now has shown I am less flexible than before. SO...to put a step under the back seat...I can see it would mostly be a semicircular cut out in the ply for a foot. Did you use any provision such as a tapered doubler so the fabric is shaped much as the surrounding area. In other words just attaching the fabric to the cutout would make a valley in the side of the plane. Thoughts? Solutions? What did you do? Ezra Stiles Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.