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1. 04:08 AM - Re: Aircamper for Sale (Charles Burkholder)
2. 07:33 AM - Re: Aireal photos of 6186L (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
3. 07:38 AM - Re: Aircamper for Sale (womenfly2)
4. 10:09 AM - Wood relaxation (Rick Holland)
5. 10:14 AM - Re: Aireal photos of 6186L (Rick Holland)
6. 10:25 AM - Re: Wood relaxation (John Franklin)
7. 10:34 AM - Re: Wood relaxation (Rick Holland)
8. 11:02 AM - Re: Bob's Progress Report (coxwelljon)
9. 11:19 AM - Some GN-1 progress (coxwelljon)
10. 11:38 AM - GN-1 nose bowl for corvair (coxwelljon)
11. 12:15 PM - Re: Wood relaxation (nightmare)
12. 01:41 PM - Re: Some GN-1 progress (Rick Holland)
13. 02:00 PM - Re: Aireal photos of 6186L (Andre Abreu)
14. 02:03 PM - Re: Aireal photos of 6186L (Andre Abreu)
15. 03:52 PM - Re: Wood relaxation (Greg Cardinal)
16. 04:18 PM - Routing the tail pieces - table saw modified to router table (aerocarjake)
17. 06:25 PM - Re: Wood relaxation (Jack Phillips)
18. 07:07 PM - Re: Wood relaxation (M. Zeke Zechini)
19. 07:16 PM - New User & Potential Addict... (BritishJim)
20. 07:26 PM - Re: New User & Potential Addict... (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
21. 07:28 PM - Re: New User & Potential Addict... (BritishJim)
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| Subject: | Re: Aircamper for Sale |
Is it in flying condition?
cb
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From: "John Franklin" <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircamper for Sale
>
> Repeating from a few months ago, Jim Sury's GN-1 Aircamper is for sale.
> It is powered by a Continental C-85 and he is asking $4000 OBO.
> The plane has always been hangared and is presently at Prairie Aire, 4TA0,
> Needville, TX.
> Contact: Jim Sury, 832-595-4941
> You can see pics of the plane at:
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20Sury%20GN1/pictures.htm
>
> Thanks,
> John Franklin
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>
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| Subject: | Aireal photos of 6186L |
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| Subject: | Re: Aircamper for Sale |
Any info on the C-85?
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Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that when
checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you
should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque.
How many of you guys with wood props do it this way?
rh
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: Aireal photos of 6186L |
Looks like that front cockpit is more comfortable with the door left open.
Especially with a heavy coat.
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000@yahoo.com>wro
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> Here are a few things that Parker got including video of a tire going
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> Here are a few stills i pulled.
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| Subject: | Re: Wood relaxation |
Rick,
Do you happen to have a link to that FAA document? A friend of mine was recently
flying his Legal Eagle with the 1/2VW engine when his newly-installed wooden
prop came off after shearing all the bolts. He had only torqued the bolts once
after installation.
Thanks,
John F.
Prairie Aire, 4TA0
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: Sep 10, 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that when checking
wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you should
loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque. How many of
you guys with wood props do it this way?
rh
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Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: Wood relaxation |
That is interesting, a fire-breathing 1/2 VW having enough torque to shear
4 bolts. But here is the link to the FAA document, (my DAR asked me to show
him this during my airworthiness inspection btw).
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/23127
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:25 AM, John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Do you happen to have a link to that FAA document? A friend of mine was
> recently flying his Legal Eagle with the 1/2VW engine when his
> newly-installed wooden prop came off after shearing all the bolts. He had
> only torqued the bolts once after installation.
>
> Thanks,
> John F.
> Prairie Aire, 4TA0
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rick Holland
>
> Sent: Sep 10, 2013 12:08 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
>
>
> Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that
> when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say)
> you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then
> retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do it this way?
>
> rh
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: Bob's Progress Report |
looks great Bob. Your shop is much cleaner than mine.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Some GN-1 progress |
I have not posted for a while so I thought I would update with some pictures.
Using a corvair engine with a non standard starter meant a different location for
the alternator. Looked at a rear mount, even the new direct coupling to the
harmonic balancer but my engine is too close to the firewall. Settled on a
location low on the left side facing aft out of the cooling airstream. First
shows the the mounting hardware which weighs in at 7 oz. Next shows the location.
I am pretty happy with how it worked. Bracket is .080 4130 and has slotted
holes so it can be added to a Dan 5th bearing without removing the ring gear.
The spacer comes off of the lower bolt hole on the head and holds the other
end of the alternator.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | GN-1 nose bowl for corvair |
I won a corvair nose bowl at the silent auction at Brodhead. It was cheap and
I think a reject but made a great mold. I needed extra room for my starter setup
and a little room for pulley clearance on the alternator. I had decided to
use a pressure cowl rather than eyebrows but I kind of like the eyebrow look.
I decided to incorporate that into the pressure cowl.
The pic. following is what I came up with. I managed to get it off of the mold
without destroying it or the mold and I am doing some finishing touches. It
is currently baking at 120 deg. to stiffen up the epoxy and then a final coat
of 2oz cloth and epoxy and it is ready to mount. last pic. shows the mold and
the other two show the nose bowl set in place. When finished I will split it
vertically so it will be easy to work from one side or the other to fit top cooling
baffles.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Wood relaxation |
Great AC Rick. About 100 pages. Looks like a wealth of info.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Some GN-1 progress |
Jon
Nice work, also with the dynamo mounted lower than with WW's mount you
should get more airflow into the right cylinders.
rick
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:19 PM, coxwelljon <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>wrote:
> coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>
> I have not posted for a while so I thought I would update with some
> pictures.
>
> Using a corvair engine with a non standard starter meant a different
> location for the alternator. Looked at a rear mount, even the new direct
> coupling to the harmonic balancer but my engine is too close to the
> firewall. Settled on a location low on the left side facing aft out of the
> cooling airstream. First shows the the mounting hardware which weighs in
> at 7 oz. Next shows the location. I am pretty happy with how it worked.
> Bracket is .080 4130 and has slotted holes so it can be added to a Dan 5th
> bearing without removing the ring gear. The spacer comes off of the lower
> bolt hole on the head and holds the other end of the alternator.
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408372#408372
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/0829132306_477.jpg
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: Aireal photos of 6186L |
Either that or rolling in his grave. =0APlane is at TDZ now. =0A=0AAndy Ab
reu
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| Subject: | Re: Aireal photos of 6186L |
It gets a little drafty when the door is open. =0AI don't know how any
one would ever get in without a door. =0A=0AAndy Abreu
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| Subject: | Re: Wood relaxation |
The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put
away for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition
inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of
15-19 ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts.
There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed
belleville spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are
attached.
It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop
bolts.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that
when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they
say) you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then
retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do it this way?
rh
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Routing the tail pieces - table saw modified to router |
table
Hello good Piet-ple,
Spend the last couple sessions rounding over the tail pieces. To do this I did
something I have been wanting to do for quite some time - modify my table saw
wing/extension to mount my router. It took a good deal of time and effort with
my angle grinder to remove the "ribs" on the underside but it was well worth
it...
Enjoy a couple images of the modified table saw and the parts after rounding over.
(I bought my wings and tail "mostly completed" from another gentleman so I
am mostly just having to refine them.)
Enjoying the adventure...
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Why would you put an airplane away in November?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put away
for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition inspection in
April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. for
AN6 bolts.
There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville
spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached.
It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop
bolts.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that when
checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you
should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque.
How many of you guys with wood props do it this way?
rh
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Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: Wood relaxation |
Got checked out in my Piet in December. Great flying weather. Even better th
is year with snappy, Douwe-inspired leather helmet.
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On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:25 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrot
e:
> Why would you put an airplane away in November?
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
>
> The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put aw
ay for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition inspection
in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. f
or AN6 bolts.
> There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville s
pring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached.
>
> It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop bo
lts.
>
> Greg Cardinal
> Minneapolis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Holland
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
>
> Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that whe
n checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you s
hould loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque. How
many of you guys with wood props do it this way?
>
> rh
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
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| Subject: | New User & Potential Addict... |
Hello all,
I'm Jim - originally British and now nestled up here in Canada. Perhaps I should
be joining a ski forum?!
I was 99.9999% to biting the bullet on a Zenith CH750 kit, but then I was at AirVenture
this year and saw the Pietenpol. Well, it was like the first time I saw
my now wife.
That's when the fence presented itself and I'm currently sat on it.
It looks as if the Piet community is very supportive, so I thought I'd drop by,
say hello and see if I'm 'welcome'?!
I could easily be swayed in my decision and I don't think anything would beat the
open cockpit and vintage feel of a Piet.
It's tough. Convince me!
All the best,
Jim.
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go get a flight in each one. The Piet is as close to a flying motorcycle as I have
found.
Steve d
On 09/10/13, BritishJim wrote:
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> Hello all,
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> I'm Jim - originally British and now nestled up here in Canada. Perhaps I should
be joining a ski forum?!
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> I was 99.9999% to biting the bullet on a Zenith CH750 kit, but then I was at
AirVenture this year and saw the Pietenpol. Well, it was like the first time I
saw my now wife.
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> That's when the fence presented itself and I'm currently sat on it.
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> It looks as if the Piet community is very supportive, so I thought I'd drop by,
say hello and see if I'm 'welcome'?!
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> I could easily be swayed in my decision and I don't think anything would beat
the open cockpit and vintage feel of a Piet.
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> It's tough. Convince me!
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> All the best,
> Jim.
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Before I forget...
I've got a bunch of questions. Is it acceptable for me to compile them into a single
thread?
I know some forums have different rules and I don't want to violate protocol!
Jim.
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